Show-boat or road-weapon?
Discussion
In and about Chelsea yesterday and a spanking new red 599 GTB cruises past with a silver haired racer at the helm looking very pleased with himself. 5 mins later and I see him cruising down a different street... and then 10 mins later a different one again.
Which got me thinking.
Over Easter I spent a few days at the 'Ring and I saw a couple of enthusiast Fezza's, none of the current / recent range and not one Lambo. There was one Carrera GT, not taken on track but monitored by the (British) owner from the coffee shop, soaking in the compliments from those drifting past. Meanwhile out on track, Porkers, Beemers and Vdubs were being driven like they were stolen for most of the day.
Now don't get me wrong, I love the drama of a lambo and regularly contemplate whether I will take the plunge and buy myself a baby one. But I do wonder if I did so whether I would be in the minority that actually use the car in the way a Porker can be used.
So what's the verdict - are Lambo's and Fezza's really more than just drama queens or are they really for show-offs?
Which got me thinking.
Over Easter I spent a few days at the 'Ring and I saw a couple of enthusiast Fezza's, none of the current / recent range and not one Lambo. There was one Carrera GT, not taken on track but monitored by the (British) owner from the coffee shop, soaking in the compliments from those drifting past. Meanwhile out on track, Porkers, Beemers and Vdubs were being driven like they were stolen for most of the day.
Now don't get me wrong, I love the drama of a lambo and regularly contemplate whether I will take the plunge and buy myself a baby one. But I do wonder if I did so whether I would be in the minority that actually use the car in the way a Porker can be used.
So what's the verdict - are Lambo's and Fezza's really more than just drama queens or are they really for show-offs?
everyone's different mate, I'm sure there are a lot of people on here who use their lambo's and fezza's on tracks.
Me personally, I haven't used mine on a track yet (haven't had her long though) and to be honest I'm far more interested in using mine tearing up the roads of europe. (I got a trip planned to Spain in about 6 weeks)
Although I'm sure it some thing I will do occassionally.
As long as YOU get satisfaction in owning your car what does it matter how it's used?
Me personally, I haven't used mine on a track yet (haven't had her long though) and to be honest I'm far more interested in using mine tearing up the roads of europe. (I got a trip planned to Spain in about 6 weeks)
Although I'm sure it some thing I will do occassionally.
As long as YOU get satisfaction in owning your car what does it matter how it's used?
Porkers, Beemers and Veedubs are ten a penny.
Lamborghinis are a rare sight, period. Trackdays are an even smaller cross section of the car population.
Go to Knockhill next weekend though and you'll see a herd of Lamborghinis on track... As you would have done at RAF Marham last month...
As Valentino Balboni says: "Eets juss like a beeg Skyline".
Lamborghinis are a rare sight, period. Trackdays are an even smaller cross section of the car population.
Go to Knockhill next weekend though and you'll see a herd of Lamborghinis on track... As you would have done at RAF Marham last month...
As Valentino Balboni says: "Eets juss like a beeg Skyline".
Hi, yeah Im living here until the summer quits ! 
Im in north west Spain (Santiago de Compostela), its got good twisties up here but the weather can change quite quickly.
Im just going to have a look to see where you are heading to, not sure where it is
edit: Ah I see, just south of Valencia
www.aboutromania.com/SpainMap.gif
Im top left in the Galicia region, bugger.
I think the 2 nicest cars I've seen out here are...
Clio v6 - but painted in Lambo vomit green
Porsche - Cayene Turbo
So not exactly what you would call a supercar spotters dream.
Im in north west Spain (Santiago de Compostela), its got good twisties up here but the weather can change quite quickly.
Im just going to have a look to see where you are heading to, not sure where it is
edit: Ah I see, just south of Valencia
www.aboutromania.com/SpainMap.gif
Im top left in the Galicia region, bugger.
I think the 2 nicest cars I've seen out here are...
Clio v6 - but painted in Lambo vomit green
Porsche - Cayene Turbo
So not exactly what you would call a supercar spotters dream.
I understand where your coming from but i think there's a very good reason for this. As someone else said ferraris and lambos are quite rare. Usually built in limited numbers. Taking a beemer or a porker out on track is different because they are pretty much ten a penny and if the worst was to happen and you wrote it off on track it's replaeable 
Also insurance is hard to get on track. Therefore it's one thing bringing a lotus on track and doing the unthinkable and crashing but another thing completly if that was to happen to a lamborghini. The financial loss would be much higher but you also may find it very hard to get another.
In Ireland you cannot be insured at all on track no matter what. So therefore i have kept the lotus to bring on track and not the tvr. The tvr only has 125 built so far and it looks like no more ever. So i feel more comfortable taking the lotus out and being able to push it that much further then the tvr because frankly i would be too worried. Also on track even if you drive perfectly (something i definitly do not do ;P) there's still others on track with you so still quite a chance to crash.
At more focused trackdays for the ferrari club etc you will find many more people out on track in their pride and joys because everyone there has the same to lose. Someone needs to build a cotton wool car cover that you can wrap around the car like a big version of the bumpers
Also insurance is hard to get on track. Therefore it's one thing bringing a lotus on track and doing the unthinkable and crashing but another thing completly if that was to happen to a lamborghini. The financial loss would be much higher but you also may find it very hard to get another.
In Ireland you cannot be insured at all on track no matter what. So therefore i have kept the lotus to bring on track and not the tvr. The tvr only has 125 built so far and it looks like no more ever. So i feel more comfortable taking the lotus out and being able to push it that much further then the tvr because frankly i would be too worried. Also on track even if you drive perfectly (something i definitly do not do ;P) there's still others on track with you so still quite a chance to crash.
At more focused trackdays for the ferrari club etc you will find many more people out on track in their pride and joys because everyone there has the same to lose. Someone needs to build a cotton wool car cover that you can wrap around the car like a big version of the bumpers
said:
I think the 2 nicest cars I've seen out here are...
Clio v6 - but painted in Lambo vomit green
Porsche - Cayene Turbo
Clio v6 - but painted in Lambo vomit green
Porsche - Cayene Turbo
So can you speak the language? I can't lol!! note to myself: look up spanish dictionary
Edited by miyagi on Monday 7th May 17:50
Edited by miyagi on Monday 7th May 17:51
Firstly,
If you did 200K on a new car, i very much doubt you would be able to resist the temptation of dirving at around your neighbourhood preening like a peacock. thats human nature, we are all justifially pride when we get new toys and fezza owners are no exception.
Those porsche beemers and vdubs you see driving round the ring like they are stolen are the "bavarian lord of the rings" as one german wag once remarked to me. these guys spend a huge percentage of their wages running round the ring on a weekly basis, for some germans its become an almost religouss holy grail quest to master the ring. The cars you have highlighted are so cheap as to be disposable on the track. you can pick up a decent 964 C2 which is a hoot on the ring for about 10K in germany.
There is a wise old adage "if you cant afford to mend it don't track it". not only is the risk of a monumental risk to a big off to pay for there is the cost of tyres, brakes, clutches and fuel to consider.
Not everyone can afford to chuck away a 200K supercar and not everyone buys a supercar to go mental on a track.
As controversial as it is there is the band of street ralliers such as gumballers (but i wouldnt admit to that right now) and then there are the cruisers and garage queens.
Like everything you will get a cross section. Certainly nobody can accuse Simon with 40K plus of murci miles under his belt of being a show boater.
Unless you have a serious net worth, i would be surprised if you don't treat your lambo or fezza with a bit of cotton wool when you first get it. I get your point over porsches, yes they are tougher but then imho they don't really feel that special, if i dropped a 997 into the kitty litter i wouldnt be that upset, if i did the same with a Murci i would probably be morose for a week.
its horses for courses, if youve got 20 supercars in the garage you probably dont give a rats, if you spent your lifes work on a gallardo you will probably wash it every time you go for a paper.
for what its worth, im quite precious about lambos but i'd drive something like a koenigsegg like satan was chasing me with a pitchfork, i cant explain why.
If you did 200K on a new car, i very much doubt you would be able to resist the temptation of dirving at around your neighbourhood preening like a peacock. thats human nature, we are all justifially pride when we get new toys and fezza owners are no exception.
Those porsche beemers and vdubs you see driving round the ring like they are stolen are the "bavarian lord of the rings" as one german wag once remarked to me. these guys spend a huge percentage of their wages running round the ring on a weekly basis, for some germans its become an almost religouss holy grail quest to master the ring. The cars you have highlighted are so cheap as to be disposable on the track. you can pick up a decent 964 C2 which is a hoot on the ring for about 10K in germany.
There is a wise old adage "if you cant afford to mend it don't track it". not only is the risk of a monumental risk to a big off to pay for there is the cost of tyres, brakes, clutches and fuel to consider.
Not everyone can afford to chuck away a 200K supercar and not everyone buys a supercar to go mental on a track.
As controversial as it is there is the band of street ralliers such as gumballers (but i wouldnt admit to that right now) and then there are the cruisers and garage queens.
Like everything you will get a cross section. Certainly nobody can accuse Simon with 40K plus of murci miles under his belt of being a show boater.
Unless you have a serious net worth, i would be surprised if you don't treat your lambo or fezza with a bit of cotton wool when you first get it. I get your point over porsches, yes they are tougher but then imho they don't really feel that special, if i dropped a 997 into the kitty litter i wouldnt be that upset, if i did the same with a Murci i would probably be morose for a week.
its horses for courses, if youve got 20 supercars in the garage you probably dont give a rats, if you spent your lifes work on a gallardo you will probably wash it every time you go for a paper.
for what its worth, im quite precious about lambos but i'd drive something like a koenigsegg like satan was chasing me with a pitchfork, i cant explain why.
Would have no hesitation in putting the G Spyder on a decent circuit but would probably be choosy about which circuit and what other cars were there on the day/experience of drivers.
As for going on the ring, just wouldn't risk it due to the above and the fact that you may encounter some experienced pro's like these lads.......
www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Qxic6qj3E
As for going on the ring, just wouldn't risk it due to the above and the fact that you may encounter some experienced pro's like these lads.......
www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Qxic6qj3E
BossCerbera said:
nopantshans said:
...drive something like a koenigsegg like satan was chasing me with a pitchfork, i cant explain why.
'Tis the proper way.
Are you going to Knockhill at the weekend?
no unfortunately not.i've got some critical showboating i mean roadtesting to do on the kings road
edit. not sure if the question was aimed at me. but i thought id answer anyone so as not to appear rude.
Edited by nopantshans on Monday 7th May 18:47
As said above the issues are the amount of wedge that one has invested in the car when compared to disposable income creates the issue. Unless money is no object the thought of binning it, popping an engine due to a screwed up downshift for most people does not bear thinking about. Myself and my business partner/brother in law (on both sides, work that one out) own a 99SV. Technically the SV is his baby but I get to drive it just as much.
I would love to do a track day in the car to see just how far it can be pushed and to really understand how the car handles but he will not have none of it. Unfortunatley you potentially end up with the issue of "oh my god you have had the front end painted because of stone chips." when you come to sell it. IMO it would be the best grand I have spent, OK plus the tyres and the brake pads, oh and the fuel and the track day costs, so maybe two grand
p.s. why is scurro blue such a soft paint ?
I would love to do a track day in the car to see just how far it can be pushed and to really understand how the car handles but he will not have none of it. Unfortunatley you potentially end up with the issue of "oh my god you have had the front end painted because of stone chips." when you come to sell it. IMO it would be the best grand I have spent, OK plus the tyres and the brake pads, oh and the fuel and the track day costs, so maybe two grand
p.s. why is scurro blue such a soft paint ?
lambochick said:
My standard insurance doesn't cover me for track use. Special insurance taken for the specific purpose of track use involves a £10,000 excess, so I guess I will continue to watch from the sidelines.
You ought to take your car round a track though - the Kent A/O for the PCGB used to set up Brands Hatch circuit evenings and regularly exercise his Countach on track. As long as you pick the right date and track (I'd not recommend you run the car at Cadwell for instance) you ought to be able to have fun and not damage the car. Don't the LCUK organise trackdays?
Your trackday excess is the same as everyone else's - 2-5% by the sounds of it.
miyagi said:
said:
I think the 2 nicest cars I've seen out here are...
Clio v6 - but painted in Lambo vomit green
Porsche - Cayene Turbo
Clio v6 - but painted in Lambo vomit green
Porsche - Cayene Turbo
So can you speak the language? I can't lol!! note to myself: look up spanish dictionary
Nope.
Well I try to here and there but its complete rubbish as I can't string a centance together !
Still, that doesn't stop me meeting women
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