question for scoobiewrx
Discussion
Hope you can help.
Ive been thinking about upgrades for a while now.
I want an ecutek/panel filter etc upgrade that will take my ppp upto anout 320-330bhp (powerstation/ TSL do this)
A brake upgrade...either the Porsche Brake upgrade from Powerstation (though Ill need to spend another 1k on 18"wheels)
or the Friction grip kit from tsl that uses the same calipers but upgrades the hoses, discs and pads.
Possibly AST suspension like the licho..
Out of the two companies, which one would you go for or are there any other tuners companies that can do the lot for me.?
I always here scooby owners talking about a mapper called andy f? know who he is?
(at first I was going to do a bit at a time, but I figure that if the car is away for a week or so, I might aswell get the whole kaboodle..cash is coming from the fact that I am going to hold of any licho buying for a couple of years)
Ive been thinking about upgrades for a while now.
I want an ecutek/panel filter etc upgrade that will take my ppp upto anout 320-330bhp (powerstation/ TSL do this)
A brake upgrade...either the Porsche Brake upgrade from Powerstation (though Ill need to spend another 1k on 18"wheels)
or the Friction grip kit from tsl that uses the same calipers but upgrades the hoses, discs and pads.
Possibly AST suspension like the licho..
Out of the two companies, which one would you go for or are there any other tuners companies that can do the lot for me.?
I always here scooby owners talking about a mapper called andy f? know who he is?
(at first I was going to do a bit at a time, but I figure that if the car is away for a week or so, I might aswell get the whole kaboodle..cash is coming from the fact that I am going to hold of any licho buying for a couple of years)
Edited by peterpeter on Saturday 12th May 08:42
peterpeter
Andy Forrest holds the world record for manual Impreza 1/4 mile and also the record for a V-max run (210mph at Elvington)
He has his own tuning/modifying business http://andyforrestperformance.co.uk/i He hangs out on http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb
I won't comment on the PS vs TSL because I am biased, all my suspension work including the ASTs is from Powerstation, but I have no complaints.
Andy Forrest holds the world record for manual Impreza 1/4 mile and also the record for a V-max run (210mph at Elvington)
He has his own tuning/modifying business http://andyforrestperformance.co.uk/i He hangs out on http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb
I won't comment on the PS vs TSL because I am biased, all my suspension work including the ASTs is from Powerstation, but I have no complaints.
Edited by DocJock on Saturday 12th May 11:34
DocJock said:
peterpeter
Andy Forrest holds the world record for manual Impreza 1/4 mile and also the record for a V-max run (210mph at Elvington)
He has his own tuning/modifying business http://andyforrestperformance.co.uk/i He hangs out on http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb
I won't comment on the PS vs TSL because I am biased, all my suspension work including the ASTs is from Powerstation, but I have no complaints.
Andy Forrest holds the world record for manual Impreza 1/4 mile and also the record for a V-max run (210mph at Elvington)
He has his own tuning/modifying business http://andyforrestperformance.co.uk/i He hangs out on http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb
I won't comment on the PS vs TSL because I am biased, all my suspension work including the ASTs is from Powerstation, but I have no complaints.
Edited by DocJock on Saturday 12th May 11:34
thanks for that.
Andy forrest looks like a very smart chap. He is just too far away!
Tif, There is a company local to us:
www.greenwoodracing.co.uk/
All his cars are mapped at mine by Pat Herborn, and I'm consistantly impressed by the quality of parts they use, and the workmanship.
Plus, I might even be able to get you a discount
www.greenwoodracing.co.uk/
All his cars are mapped at mine by Pat Herborn, and I'm consistantly impressed by the quality of parts they use, and the workmanship.
Plus, I might even be able to get you a discount
Peterpeter, I can't say anything about TSL but I can about powerstation, rather than post all my details here, just have a read of this thread on scoobynet.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread
With the money you're looking to spend, have you considered chopping in for a spec c instead? Lighter, faster, better handling/brakes ect straight out of the box
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread
With the money you're looking to spend, have you considered chopping in for a spec c instead? Lighter, faster, better handling/brakes ect straight out of the box
vixpy1 said:
Tif, There is a company local to us:
www.greenwoodracing.co.uk/
All his cars are mapped at mine by Pat Herborn, and I'm consistantly impressed by the quality of parts they use, and the workmanship.
Plus, I might even be able to get you a discount
www.greenwoodracing.co.uk/
All his cars are mapped at mine by Pat Herborn, and I'm consistantly impressed by the quality of parts they use, and the workmanship.
Plus, I might even be able to get you a discount
nice one charlie...they seem to do nearly everything I want so Ill be in touch soon.
Hi Peterpeter, Sorry to have not replied to your post yet but i have been out of the loop doing some work on my own Scooby for a couple of days.
I think TSL do a sterling job and have a lovely garage to do all the work in. They really seem to know their stuff and if you are only talking about 320 - 330 bhp then to be fair most tuners will get you up there as that's a very common bhp upgrade for your STi with PPP. Personally i would be thinking about a decent hike c. 350bhp although 400bhp is the safe limit on standard internals, which if i had an STi with PPP is where i would want to be.
When i was at TSL they had a Scooby there that they worked on and modified for a chap. It was pushing 500bhp
so they clearly know their stuff. Also they use Paul up at Zen Performance in Wellingborough to do their mapping and i have to say Zen are definately up to the same standard as Powerstation for mapping. Zens car at last years Time Attack was mighty impressive around a track and very close to Powerstation in terms of performance. I think it was Donnington they were at.
I can only comment about Powerstation from their reputation and association with Litchfield ( i love Litchfields
), and their customers rate them very highly but i have never used them before, also all the blurb i have read up about them and their success on the Time Attack competitions speaks for itself. To be fair to TSL they are more into Rallying as opposed to Time Attack comps and IMHO rallying setups are a bit closer to real world car driving that massive bhp time attackers, but it's whatever floats your boat that counts.
I don't know what Powerstations prices are like and i can't imagine they are cheap, mind you neither are TSL but you pays for what you get and with either one i don't think you'll go wrong. I am really tempted to use Powerstation sometime but they are miles away from me and TSL are less than an hour up the M1 from me, but you know one of these days....
Just to throw another spanner in the works...... WRC Technologies at Silverstone....... Again pretty awesome and bloody expensive but these guys are true techies of the art, with one of the most highly rated rolling roads in the UK (2400bhp). I haven't used them yet as i said very expensive but if you have the cash this is my wildcard. check them out www.wrc-tech.net/
Sorry i can't bend the bias one way or the other but i rate them all so good luck on this.
P.S. Andy Forrest...another awesome tuner and cracking website but as you ahve already said....he is bloody miles away and the tuners we have close by are equally as good.
I think TSL do a sterling job and have a lovely garage to do all the work in. They really seem to know their stuff and if you are only talking about 320 - 330 bhp then to be fair most tuners will get you up there as that's a very common bhp upgrade for your STi with PPP. Personally i would be thinking about a decent hike c. 350bhp although 400bhp is the safe limit on standard internals, which if i had an STi with PPP is where i would want to be.
When i was at TSL they had a Scooby there that they worked on and modified for a chap. It was pushing 500bhp
so they clearly know their stuff. Also they use Paul up at Zen Performance in Wellingborough to do their mapping and i have to say Zen are definately up to the same standard as Powerstation for mapping. Zens car at last years Time Attack was mighty impressive around a track and very close to Powerstation in terms of performance. I think it was Donnington they were at. I can only comment about Powerstation from their reputation and association with Litchfield ( i love Litchfields
), and their customers rate them very highly but i have never used them before, also all the blurb i have read up about them and their success on the Time Attack competitions speaks for itself. To be fair to TSL they are more into Rallying as opposed to Time Attack comps and IMHO rallying setups are a bit closer to real world car driving that massive bhp time attackers, but it's whatever floats your boat that counts. I don't know what Powerstations prices are like and i can't imagine they are cheap, mind you neither are TSL but you pays for what you get and with either one i don't think you'll go wrong. I am really tempted to use Powerstation sometime but they are miles away from me and TSL are less than an hour up the M1 from me, but you know one of these days....
Just to throw another spanner in the works...... WRC Technologies at Silverstone....... Again pretty awesome and bloody expensive but these guys are true techies of the art, with one of the most highly rated rolling roads in the UK (2400bhp). I haven't used them yet as i said very expensive but if you have the cash this is my wildcard. check them out www.wrc-tech.net/
Sorry i can't bend the bias one way or the other but i rate them all so good luck on this.
P.S. Andy Forrest...another awesome tuner and cracking website but as you ahve already said....he is bloody miles away and the tuners we have close by are equally as good.
Edited by scoobiewrx on Sunday 13th May 09:56
vixpy1 said:
Tif, There is a company local to us:
www.greenwoodracing.co.uk/
All his cars are mapped at mine by Pat Herborn, and I'm consistantly impressed by the quality of parts they use, and the workmanship.
Plus, I might even be able to get you a discount
www.greenwoodracing.co.uk/
All his cars are mapped at mine by Pat Herborn, and I'm consistantly impressed by the quality of parts they use, and the workmanship.
Plus, I might even be able to get you a discount
They seem to offer very well rounded upgrade packages as well as offering other good products like the aerodynamic kits and servicing. However...looking at their prices the STi upgrades make a lot more sense than the WRX upgrades, but they certinaly seem to be using all the right bits and pieces of kit to make these cars sing.
Just my opinion though and if Vixpy really rates them and they are nice and close to you they may just well be your answer. I have heard of them but really know very little about them so i cannot make further comments and bow to Vixpy's better judgement on this one. However...they look alright and have a good website!!
Edited by scoobiewrx on Sunday 13th May 10:50
cw42 said:
With the money you're looking to spend, have you considered chopping in for a spec c instead? Lighter, faster, better handling/brakes ect straight out of the box
mmmmm Spec C
Sorry, in the wrong country to make a useful contribution here. They all sound like pretty good options to me.
thanks for the tips.
I do like the look of wrc technologies
350/ppp package for £1500.
www.wrc-tech.net/subaru-04sti-WRC350.htm
but then greenwood do something similar...oh choices, choices.!
Re. spec c...yes I would love one or even a licho, but the car is only 2 years old and has done 16k miles. I think it would be better to spend £5k on it than go through the hassle of trying to sell it and then find a new car.
Ill be up for doing that in 2 years or so.
I do like the look of wrc technologies
350/ppp package for £1500.
www.wrc-tech.net/subaru-04sti-WRC350.htm
but then greenwood do something similar...oh choices, choices.!
Re. spec c...yes I would love one or even a licho, but the car is only 2 years old and has done 16k miles. I think it would be better to spend £5k on it than go through the hassle of trying to sell it and then find a new car.
Ill be up for doing that in 2 years or so.
vixpy1 said:
scoobiewrx said:
Personally i would be thinking about a decent hike c. 350bhp although 400bhp is the safe limit on standard internals, which if i had an STi with PPP is where i would want to be.
We ran 485bhp on stock Sti8 internals yesterday
wow, I think Ill stick to around 350!..I want to track the car a bit more and I dont fancy a too highly stressed engine.
vixpy1 said:
scoobiewrx said:
Personally i would be thinking about a decent hike c. 350bhp although 400bhp is the safe limit on standard internals, which if i had an STi with PPP is where i would want to be.
We ran 485bhp on stock Sti8 internals yesterday
That's pretty impressive on the standard internals but for how long could you run the car like that. Nutters...the lot of you!!!
I know WRC Technologies has an up and coming WRC500 tune but i bet that involves some internal mods like forged pistons, crank, con rods etc... Won't be cheap either. I think for me it would have to be the Litchfield. My understanding about the Litchfield with its Cosworth internals is that the motor will actually take 1000 - 1200bhp
There is a used Litchfield Type25 for sale on PH classifieds, apparently with Royal connections!! That's up for just under £30K i think which sounds to me like a reasonable investment with all that provenance and the write-up on the advert is very good. Check it out..... www.pistonheads.com/sales/142800.htm
Looks a really nice dead straight car with excellent history, and if i had the money right now i would probably go for something like that and get it modified by Litchfield to 506bhp which is the next stage for this car
DocJock said:
I love those 1000bhp claims.
Lots of people on 22B have run serious power and they are all really highly strung and off the road as much as on.
The only time I would take them seriously is if they give a 3 year warranty.
Lots of people on 22B have run serious power and they are all really highly strung and off the road as much as on.
The only time I would take them seriously is if they give a 3 year warranty.
All i am saying is that if required the engine has the balls to run that sort of power....quite for how long i don't know and in any case we are talking short bursts of power use like in drag racing at those figures.
However, to have a motor that can run 500/600/700 reliable and everyday useable bhp that's well within the envelope of the motors capability is an awesome thing to have and i for one would go with the Litchfield Type25 as modern day Cosworth propulsion is not only tried and very well tested but atom bomb proof too. Especially when you're only using a fraction of it's true capacity. A Litchfield at 500bhp isn't even running up a sweat.
vixpy1 said:
However, the litchfield i believe runs the 2.5 short US spec block, which has thin walls and is known to be prone to breakage, unless they have used a sleeved block?
Cosworth offer these engines with the option of standard, open steel sleeves(more expensive) or closed race sleeves (even more expensive) but i don't exactly know if Litchfield have the engines sleeved or standard, however i can find out.
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