4.4 V8 Rangie.... BMW or Jag? Or Disco....?!
Discussion
Morning chaps, been trawling through your lovely forum for info on a variety of topics.
Wifey is in the market for a new wagon, having previously run a V8 X5, and I have finally persuaded her that BMW should be burned at the stake, and Land Rover is the way forward!
All this after ruling out contenders such as the Toerag (wobbly as hell), Lexus (plastic and cramped as hell) and Cayenne (cramped, plastic and fast as hell.... but a Porsche... not going there)
We have test driven a 2005 Rangie V8 Vogue, and a 2005 Disco 3 TDV6 HSE. The Disco was very "pleasant" though we both found it dog slow, or at least, dead dog slow, and thought the interior a little drab and functional. The Rangie however was obviously a league above in terms of luxury ans space, both of which appealed, and the V8 pulled nice and smoothly, plus the 2005MY seems to have all the toys and then some. Two separate dealers declined to provide test drives of a V8 Disco citing lack of sales and that they thought they were terrible... We saw the appeal of the 7-seat option, though it's hardly a requirement, but living out in the sticks, I could never see that TDV6 managing to overtake passing wildlife, let alone tractors or caravans!
So the question now stands at which way to jump - there seems to be a hike in market price to go for the 2005MY Rangie, which I am led to believe is the year they got the rebored Jag V8 and touchscreen nav (anything else I should be aware of?) as opposed to the older BMW engined and equipped models. Is it worth going for the newer car, bearing in mind cars a year or so older are several thousand cheaper - is the BMW engine adequate, and is there much difference between the two? Given that our current preference is for the Rangie, is there any reason we should consider the Disco at all, even if a mythical V8 could be sourced?
Sorry to bring up a topic that has undoubtedly been done to death before, and thanks for your help.
Wifey is in the market for a new wagon, having previously run a V8 X5, and I have finally persuaded her that BMW should be burned at the stake, and Land Rover is the way forward!
All this after ruling out contenders such as the Toerag (wobbly as hell), Lexus (plastic and cramped as hell) and Cayenne (cramped, plastic and fast as hell.... but a Porsche... not going there) We have test driven a 2005 Rangie V8 Vogue, and a 2005 Disco 3 TDV6 HSE. The Disco was very "pleasant" though we both found it dog slow, or at least, dead dog slow, and thought the interior a little drab and functional. The Rangie however was obviously a league above in terms of luxury ans space, both of which appealed, and the V8 pulled nice and smoothly, plus the 2005MY seems to have all the toys and then some. Two separate dealers declined to provide test drives of a V8 Disco citing lack of sales and that they thought they were terrible... We saw the appeal of the 7-seat option, though it's hardly a requirement, but living out in the sticks, I could never see that TDV6 managing to overtake passing wildlife, let alone tractors or caravans!
So the question now stands at which way to jump - there seems to be a hike in market price to go for the 2005MY Rangie, which I am led to believe is the year they got the rebored Jag V8 and touchscreen nav (anything else I should be aware of?) as opposed to the older BMW engined and equipped models. Is it worth going for the newer car, bearing in mind cars a year or so older are several thousand cheaper - is the BMW engine adequate, and is there much difference between the two? Given that our current preference is for the Rangie, is there any reason we should consider the Disco at all, even if a mythical V8 could be sourced?
Sorry to bring up a topic that has undoubtedly been done to death before, and thanks for your help.
I recently sold my 2004 4.4V8 and got a new TDV8. The old engine was the BMW unit and was great, lovely noise and felt unburstable. The sat nav on the 04 is pretty clunky though so the 05 is good from that point of view.
Having driven the Jag V8 as well I can't say I felt a lot of difference tbh, although the 6 speed box was better, smaller gaps and therefore less noticeable when changing gear.
The interior of the RR is in a league of it's own though, streets ahead of the Disco and a nice sense of occasion to drive.
Now, to tempt you further............ the TDV8 is an absolute star - really quiet and torquey, much the same power as the petrol V8 and even more torque than the supercharged. Pulls like atrain out of corners and great at wafting along, on or off road.
Having driven the Jag V8 as well I can't say I felt a lot of difference tbh, although the 6 speed box was better, smaller gaps and therefore less noticeable when changing gear.
The interior of the RR is in a league of it's own though, streets ahead of the Disco and a nice sense of occasion to drive.
Now, to tempt you further............ the TDV8 is an absolute star - really quiet and torquey, much the same power as the petrol V8 and even more torque than the supercharged. Pulls like atrain out of corners and great at wafting along, on or off road.
camel said:
I recently sold my 2004 4.4V8 and got a new TDV8. The old engine was the BMW unit and was great, lovely noise and felt unburstable. The sat nav on the 04 is pretty clunky though so the 05 is good from that point of view.
Having driven the Jag V8 as well I can't say I felt a lot of difference tbh, although the 6 speed box was better, smaller gaps and therefore less noticeable when changing gear.
The interior of the RR is in a league of it's own though, streets ahead of the Disco and a nice sense of occasion to drive.
Now, to tempt you further............ the TDV8 is an absolute star - really quiet and torquey, much the same power as the petrol V8 and even more torque than the supercharged. Pulls like atrain out of corners and great at wafting along, on or off road.
Having driven the Jag V8 as well I can't say I felt a lot of difference tbh, although the 6 speed box was better, smaller gaps and therefore less noticeable when changing gear.
The interior of the RR is in a league of it's own though, streets ahead of the Disco and a nice sense of occasion to drive.
Now, to tempt you further............ the TDV8 is an absolute star - really quiet and torquey, much the same power as the petrol V8 and even more torque than the supercharged. Pulls like atrain out of corners and great at wafting along, on or off road.
I drove a V8D for 40 minutes just before I did the off-road part of a Landrover experience. I'd been told by a dealer the same rubbish regarding "more torque than an S/C and similar performance", and frankly I'm gob smacked that you can't feel the difference that an extra 120bhp makes! The simple fact is that the V8D takes nearly 2 seconds longer to get to 60mph and it's quite noticeably slower than an S/C!
If the comparison is to a 4.4 V8, then yes, I agree, buy the diesel, but there's no comparison to a S/C, they are light years apart!
No mate I didn't say the TDV8 had similar performance to the S/C, I just said it had more torque:-)
In my opinion that gives a better driving experience, I like the way it accelerates out of corners without changing down, lovely big velvet gloved waft, and it's a lot quieter. That's why I bought the TDV8 after having had a S/C loaner to evaluate as well.
The S/C in my opinion is a bit frantic, obviously faster as you say with it's extra power, but not as torquey feeling. I didn't buy my Rangie to race up to 60 mph, I bought it as a comfortable waftmobile and the TDV8 is ideal for that:-)
However the op was only interested in the n/a petrol V8 so none of this really matters!
In my opinion that gives a better driving experience, I like the way it accelerates out of corners without changing down, lovely big velvet gloved waft, and it's a lot quieter. That's why I bought the TDV8 after having had a S/C loaner to evaluate as well.
The S/C in my opinion is a bit frantic, obviously faster as you say with it's extra power, but not as torquey feeling. I didn't buy my Rangie to race up to 60 mph, I bought it as a comfortable waftmobile and the TDV8 is ideal for that:-)
However the op was only interested in the n/a petrol V8 so none of this really matters!
Edited by camel on Thursday 17th May 18:25
The TDV8 is a great engine and is in my opinion too 95% as quick as the Sc in the real world.
If you are still interested we have a Disco V8 in stock, they are very rare second hand but are great cars. The TDV6 disco is great but as said could do with a bit more power which the V8 has.
If you are still interested we have a Disco V8 in stock, they are very rare second hand but are great cars. The TDV6 disco is great but as said could do with a bit more power which the V8 has.
All interesting reading chaps, though sadly I'm only planning on spending around £30k - it's just a tool/hack of a car, so don't see the point in spending too much more. Thus the TDV8 is somewhat out of reach.
The Sport is lovely to behold, but IMHO the interior isn't comparable with the Rangie, either in terms of luxury feel or space.
The Disco V8s are certainly rare, why on earth is that, when V8 Rangies are far more common?
The Sport is lovely to behold, but IMHO the interior isn't comparable with the Rangie, either in terms of luxury feel or space.
The Disco V8s are certainly rare, why on earth is that, when V8 Rangies are far more common?
It's just due to the fact that there wasn't that many sold to begin with, most people who buy the disco are using it to cart around the family and aren't looking for performance. So save some cash and go for the diesel, the V8's are great second hand buys though. Ours is just over £30k and has only done 4500 miles.
To be honest i cant see what all this business is about performance on a RR.Or any large 4x4.If you want performance buy a sports car.Thing that dont stack up for it.Is the fact that they are too heavy.Centre of gravity is higher,it doesnt handle well in corners.Fact is you cant make a 2 ton barge a sports car.
BLUETHUNDER said:
To be honest i cant see what all this business is about performance on a RR.Or any large 4x4.If you want performance buy a sports car.Thing that dont stack up for it.Is the fact that they are too heavy.Centre of gravity is higher,it doesnt handle well in corners.Fact is you cant make a 2 ton barge a sports car.
God I love the way these discussions always go off topic...
Sports car? That's why there's always a TVR in my stable
Heavy or not, you try punting a 4x4 around country roads that surround our village and being perpetually stuck behind either tractors or townie dawdlers... bit of performance helps in getting round them quickly and efficiently.
To defend the D3....my wifes on her 2nd, they are fantastic. Sure if you don't need the space buy the RR the drive is a little more luxurious...but the V8 Rangie isn't exactly quick either.
Alternatively, buy a nice 2005 D3 HSE and pop along to DMS for a remap.....ours is a hoot and now belts along. Believe me it's every bit as quick as the V8 D3/RR and still manages 23mpg.
Alternatively, buy a nice 2005 D3 HSE and pop along to DMS for a remap.....ours is a hoot and now belts along. Believe me it's every bit as quick as the V8 D3/RR and still manages 23mpg.
redleicester said:
BLUETHUNDER said:
To be honest i cant see what all this business is about performance on a RR.Or any large 4x4.If you want performance buy a sports car.Thing that dont stack up for it.Is the fact that they are too heavy.Centre of gravity is higher,it doesnt handle well in corners.Fact is you cant make a 2 ton barge a sports car.
God I love the way these discussions always go off topic...
Sports car? That's why there's always a TVR in my stable
Heavy or not, you try punting a 4x4 around country roads that surround our village and being perpetually stuck behind either tractors or townie dawdlers... bit of performance helps in getting round them quickly and efficiently.
BLUETHUNDER said:
redleicester said:
BLUETHUNDER said:
To be honest i cant see what all this business is about performance on a RR.Or any large 4x4.If you want performance buy a sports car.Thing that dont stack up for it.Is the fact that they are too heavy.Centre of gravity is higher,it doesnt handle well in corners.Fact is you cant make a 2 ton barge a sports car.
God I love the way these discussions always go off topic...
Sports car? That's why there's always a TVR in my stable
Heavy or not, you try punting a 4x4 around country roads that surround our village and being perpetually stuck behind either tractors or townie dawdlers... bit of performance helps in getting round them quickly and efficiently.
The SC is more than capable of handling the speed tbh given its excellent brakes, yes I have had to do an emergency stop from a reasonable speed, and I often hear screeching brakes from those tailgating as they don't expect the tank to come to a halt so quickly, just for reference, it stops from 60 in 115 feet, a foot shorter than the new shape Jag XK, I think thats good enough.
As for performance, coming from my other cars then going for a drive in the RR, I agree,it feels sluggish, however I had the displeasure of a new discovery TD as a courtesy car last week, it really puts the performance difference into perspective; and on the continent I've enjoyed keeping up with a lot of faster vehicles. I can't really see the point in the TDV8, it returns what? 25mpg combined, if I were concerned about fuel consumption, I'd have the 6cyl diesel or buy something lighter.
I think the performance SUV point has been done to death so I won't justify my choice, I want a reasonably fast vehicle than I take off road on the weekends but can cart the family away to Europe and blast down the Autoroutes (in areas sans le speed cameras naturally)I will say this, I don't think the cayenne or X5 4.8 are worth purchasing for the performance due to the sacrifice in class and comfort provided by the RR, I actually hope that Land Rover shoe horn some more horses in soon, I may consider a trip to Overfinch this year.
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