Rebuild Update.....thanx a bunch TVR!!!!!
Discussion
So my engine goes bang again after having had a full rebuild at 14000 miles in August 2002.
Racing Green takes the engine out and sends it to TVR. TVR say that because the last rebuild was over 6 months ago then it is out of warranty!!!!!!!!!
The warranty company (Car Care) have said that they will cover some elements of the rebuild (what the hell does that mean???) and will wish to inspect the engine too! I know from experience that dealing with Care Care will be like getting blood out of a stone.
Basically, I think it is unbelievable that the factory should take this attitude.
Any opinions/experiences would be gratefully received!!!
Miserable from Woking
Racing Green takes the engine out and sends it to TVR. TVR say that because the last rebuild was over 6 months ago then it is out of warranty!!!!!!!!!
The warranty company (Car Care) have said that they will cover some elements of the rebuild (what the hell does that mean???) and will wish to inspect the engine too! I know from experience that dealing with Care Care will be like getting blood out of a stone.
Basically, I think it is unbelievable that the factory should take this attitude.
Any opinions/experiences would be gratefully received!!!
Miserable from Woking
I’ve got to say this stinks and I’m in the same position as my car has gone to TVR Power. Hey mines a Red Rose also, do you think they know something we don’t!!!
I’m in two minds whether to write an article to go into sprint magazine, and I know my RO will forward the letter.
If TVR only has a warranty for 6 months they MUST know something is wrong with the RR engine.
I’m sorry this has happened to you
MR F.
I’m in two minds whether to write an article to go into sprint magazine, and I know my RO will forward the letter.
If TVR only has a warranty for 6 months they MUST know something is wrong with the RR engine.
I’m sorry this has happened to you
MR F.
I have never owned a TVR engined TVR as such, and for the very reason that I would not have any faith in a engine manufactured by a company, that can't even build the rest of the cars right. You have my sympathy, I beleive that any person out there who has an ajp, or speed 6 engine is at the mercy of TVR and their dealers. I have owned 7 TVR'S and have gone as far as I can with the marque, I now find that I will have to purchase another make sports car, basically because I have no faith in TVR'S own engines.
We can all accept that from time to time we will have to glue bits back on, we accept this because of the driving experience. What I don't accept is having poor build quality combined with a dodgy motor, TVR are doing themselves no favours with long standing customers/enthusiasts, they should offer another engine for their vehicles namely a yank V8.
TVR make a great looking product, a driving experience
unsurpassed by other manufacturers, but I think they have lost the plot, people want a reliable product, and they need to give this matter urgent attention.
We can all accept that from time to time we will have to glue bits back on, we accept this because of the driving experience. What I don't accept is having poor build quality combined with a dodgy motor, TVR are doing themselves no favours with long standing customers/enthusiasts, they should offer another engine for their vehicles namely a yank V8.
TVR make a great looking product, a driving experience
unsurpassed by other manufacturers, but I think they have lost the plot, people want a reliable product, and they need to give this matter urgent attention.
Mr Freefall said: I’ve got to say this stinks and I’m in the same position as my car has gone to TVR Power. Hey mines a Red Rose also, do you think they know something we don’t!!!
I’m in two minds whether to write an article to go into sprint magazine, and I know my RO will forward the letter.
If TVR only has a warranty for 6 months they MUST know something is wrong with the RR engine.
I’m sorry this has happened to you
MR F.
I'd go ahead with the letter. We were going to change the griff for a Tuscan but didn't because of this very issue, I know we are not alone in this.
So, if TVR are so cocksure of their continued sales success despite producing untrustworthy engines and treating their customers so shabbily, then they can afford to take a bit of flak.
>> Edited by apache on Tuesday 13th May 11:55
TVR would normally give 6 months of warranty on any repair, wouldn't they? On a new car you have 2 years' warranty on the engine.
Nevertheless, this really doesn't seem fair treatment by TVR. I wonder whether in the UK there is something similar in law as in Holland. Here, when something breaks down outside the warranty (say a fridge or a TV), if that wasn't clearly the owners fault, still a (partial) claim against the dealer/manufacturer is possible on the grounds that the customer can expect a reasonable lifespan from the appliance, which normally extends well beyond any warranty period. For example, your TV breaks down after 2 years, with warranty for 1 year - you can still make a claim based on the fact that a TV can be expected to run problem-free for at least, say, 4-5 years.
Thus, is there any UK legal basis to say that a well-maintained engine shouldn't go pop this quickly and on that base have either TVR or a dealer pay for (part of) the repairs?
Just a thought, I suppose someone would have come up with this if it were possible.
Maarten
Nevertheless, this really doesn't seem fair treatment by TVR. I wonder whether in the UK there is something similar in law as in Holland. Here, when something breaks down outside the warranty (say a fridge or a TV), if that wasn't clearly the owners fault, still a (partial) claim against the dealer/manufacturer is possible on the grounds that the customer can expect a reasonable lifespan from the appliance, which normally extends well beyond any warranty period. For example, your TV breaks down after 2 years, with warranty for 1 year - you can still make a claim based on the fact that a TV can be expected to run problem-free for at least, say, 4-5 years.
Thus, is there any UK legal basis to say that a well-maintained engine shouldn't go pop this quickly and on that base have either TVR or a dealer pay for (part of) the repairs?
Just a thought, I suppose someone would have come up with this if it were possible.
Maarten
Agreed.
However, there seems to be a lot of people in here prepared to take the risk of buying a Speed Six engined Tuscan engine - I just have. I know that I would be severely inconvenienced if my engine required major attention, as we don't have a dealer here in Ireland.
I still went ahead though and love the car. If you have had 7 of them, I'd say you have definitely been a loyal TVR follower. The factory must continually address ongoing quality issues - the most serious of which would seem to be engine reliability. We can put up with niggles that get fixed at service time, but not major engine faults. This demands a solution. The fact that 6 month engine warranties for RR cars are being given does not instill confidence in the engineering therein.
Still love the looks, sound and performance
Gary.
However, there seems to be a lot of people in here prepared to take the risk of buying a Speed Six engined Tuscan engine - I just have. I know that I would be severely inconvenienced if my engine required major attention, as we don't have a dealer here in Ireland.
I still went ahead though and love the car. If you have had 7 of them, I'd say you have definitely been a loyal TVR follower. The factory must continually address ongoing quality issues - the most serious of which would seem to be engine reliability. We can put up with niggles that get fixed at service time, but not major engine faults. This demands a solution. The fact that 6 month engine warranties for RR cars are being given does not instill confidence in the engineering therein.
Still love the looks, sound and performance
Gary.
Sorry to hear about this. I have not yet purchased my Tuscan and even after reading various comments I am sure I will still go ahead and buy. I feel that the sheer thrill and enjoyment comes at a price and it seems that pot luck also has a hand. I have owned cars in the past that should have not been any problem due to their supposed quality and they turned out to be a nightmare. True to say QC should be better..you should not have these problems...but then again..you don't own a Mr. Dull 500SL..(Trying to make you feel better)
I would be seriously thinking about changing the Chimaera for a Tuscan but I am not so keen as to be potentially going down the 'multiple engine rebuild route' I don't love the car that much ! One pistonheads member has had 6 engine rebuilds !
The real dilemma will come when the Chinaera (98R) gets a bit older and if TVR have still not sorted out their engine problems.
No wonder Boxters are selling so well
Steve
The real dilemma will come when the Chinaera (98R) gets a bit older and if TVR have still not sorted out their engine problems.
No wonder Boxters are selling so well
Steve
I had 4 Rover V8 engined TVRs before my current Tuscan.
I really tried doing everything by the book looking after them, but every one of them needed at least one engine rebuild. So I gave up and got a Tuscan.
Mind you I do worry that the engine will go pop after reading loads of threads over the last few months.
I think it is very bad though if after 6 months of a rebuild TVR can just walk away and not pay a good chunk towards the cost of a rebuild for you.
On the other hand not one of my 5 TVRs has ever leaked a single drop of water into the cabin!
Thom said: Sorry to have a pop in here as a TVR virgin but I would like to ask a question - sorry if it has already been asked a thousand times.
Why would TVR not let their own dealers or any knowledgeable independent specialists work themselves on the engines ?
Dont know to be honest, it must be for some sort of financial reason. But that doesnt mean that there arent knowledgable independants rebuilding. Just because TVR wont supply the parts it doesnt mean they cant be had from elsewhere/ made. IIRC Team Proactive now do rebuilds, not sure if they cover S6's though.
Just out of interest, are there any problems with the bottom of a Speed6??
Dont let the buggers get away with it!!!, I didn't.
Get an engineer on your side to argue that the design is flawed or the workmanship is shoddy, take them to court and fight hard. I did,It took a long time and a big investment in legal fees but end result was very satisfying when I relieved Wheeler of MANY MANY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF POUNDS in costs and damages.
He is now my best mate
Steelnads
ps make sure you consult a good solicitor
>> Edited by steelnads on Wednesday 14th May 08:11
Get an engineer on your side to argue that the design is flawed or the workmanship is shoddy, take them to court and fight hard. I did,It took a long time and a big investment in legal fees but end result was very satisfying when I relieved Wheeler of MANY MANY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF POUNDS in costs and damages.
He is now my best mate
Steelnads
ps make sure you consult a good solicitor
>> Edited by steelnads on Wednesday 14th May 08:11
You think you've got problems :
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=39309&f=48&h=0
How much is that going to cost out of warranty!
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=39309&f=48&h=0
How much is that going to cost out of warranty!
Sorry to hear of your problems.
As a long time fan of TVR's, but never brave enough to buy one. I have always thought their build quality was simply not up to the amount of money they wanted to charge and although a lot of the owners on here seem happy to put up with the odd minor problem, I don't think anyone should have to when paying well over £40K for a car.
I'm not comparing TVR to Porsche etc. that would be unfair, but surely we now have a reference point with the Nobles? They don't seem to report the number of problems and although there are fewer of them on the road, there must be enough to warrant a comparison.
Perhaps TVR could look to at least match Noble build quality, and perhaps take a leaf out of their book, and offer a choice of engine in their cars - TVR power, or reliable, well proven Yank/Ford/Jag based V8.
It would certainly help me make a purchasing decision!
As I have kids to taxi service around, my ideal car would be a Cerbera, but until TVR (or Nobel) offer a 4 seater which is reliable, it seems the only choice is a Porsche, pity, as they just don't look as sexy, and are not British.
Oh, well. Hope all is sorted with your engine.
Igg.
As a long time fan of TVR's, but never brave enough to buy one. I have always thought their build quality was simply not up to the amount of money they wanted to charge and although a lot of the owners on here seem happy to put up with the odd minor problem, I don't think anyone should have to when paying well over £40K for a car.
I'm not comparing TVR to Porsche etc. that would be unfair, but surely we now have a reference point with the Nobles? They don't seem to report the number of problems and although there are fewer of them on the road, there must be enough to warrant a comparison.
Perhaps TVR could look to at least match Noble build quality, and perhaps take a leaf out of their book, and offer a choice of engine in their cars - TVR power, or reliable, well proven Yank/Ford/Jag based V8.
It would certainly help me make a purchasing decision!
As I have kids to taxi service around, my ideal car would be a Cerbera, but until TVR (or Nobel
) offer a 4 seater which is reliable, it seems the only choice is a Porsche, pity, as they just don't look as sexy, and are not British. Oh, well. Hope all is sorted with your engine.
Igg.
steelnads,
did you actually have to fight in court? what was TVR's response to your case?
there's currently some nervous chat going on in the "Cerbera" forum about Sp6 engines with people pointing at the threads on Tuscan Sp6 rebuilds - basically prophecies of doom about the likelihood of needing a rebuild on a Cerb Sp6.
As a (now) nervous Sp6 owner, I'd like to hear what happened to your Tuscan
did you actually have to fight in court? what was TVR's response to your case?
there's currently some nervous chat going on in the "Cerbera" forum about Sp6 engines with people pointing at the threads on Tuscan Sp6 rebuilds - basically prophecies of doom about the likelihood of needing a rebuild on a Cerb Sp6.
As a (now) nervous Sp6 owner, I'd like to hear what happened to your Tuscan
i had a gearbox failure (lost 5th Borg Warner T5) , took it in to Kings TVR who sent it off to TVR Power for a rebuild, 2 weeks later returned- all at my considerable cost may i add. I took the car away, within 50 miles of gentle motorway driving the same problem appeared (no 5th!) . I reported the issue to the said dealer who tried to wriggle out by insisting that the box was ok for 50 miles!!! great durability!!! needless to say after a lot of haggling and a further 2 weeks off the road they coughed up, a good while later... lovely.
Thank you all for your sympathies and advice. I am absolutely determined not to let them get away with it and I am going to persue every avenue possible.
I will keep you all posted as to progress.
My feeling is that TVR are unlikely to sway from their current stance on the issue of unreliability and repairs unless there is a collective protest. Trouble is coordinating such a thing is very difficult but I may try and enlist help on a petition or something of that nature if the avenue that I am currently exploring are fruitless!!!!!
I will keep you all posted as to progress.
My feeling is that TVR are unlikely to sway from their current stance on the issue of unreliability and repairs unless there is a collective protest. Trouble is coordinating such a thing is very difficult but I may try and enlist help on a petition or something of that nature if the avenue that I am currently exploring are fruitless!!!!!
When my RR tuscan engine went, it was rebuilt and TVR gave a one year warranty on it? Was almost two years ago now, but Im suprised they have only given 6 months on it. As you say there is probably a financial reason for doing so.
I still reckon after 14000 odd miles, the car is not fit for purpose.
>> Edited by jedi on Wednesday 14th May 13:42
I still reckon after 14000 odd miles, the car is not fit for purpose.
>> Edited by jedi on Wednesday 14th May 13:42
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