FROM A "TUSCAN TO A SAGARIS"

[DECAT]

Hi all! recently had an unfortunate incident in the wet in my tuscan,resulting in the beast being wrote off!!can anybody help ? is the sagaris a better wet weather car with regard to the handling? an info would be appreciated

[Jay Ayegees]

Hi

Don't mean to be harsh BUT
It's more likely to have been driver error rather than type of TVR error. Why not get some lessons on a skid pan.

Jay

Edited by Jay Ayegees on Friday 18th May 18:20

[mattybrown]

Jay Ayegees said:

Hi

Don't mean to be harsh BUT
It's more likely to have been driver error rather than type of TVR error. Why not get some lessons on a skid pan.

Jay

Edited by Jay Ayegees on Friday 18th May 18:20

who said anything about a TVR error?

[Jay Ayegees]

It's implied in the topic - does a Sagaris behave better in the wet than a Tuscan?

[the pits]

the answer is not really. They both have way in excess of 300bhp weigh 1100kg and rear wheel drive with no electronic nanny. Get clumsy with the throttle on a 150bhp Capri (nearer 1300kg) in the wet and you'll have your hands full. Do the same in a TVR, be it tuscan, Sagaris or chimp and you'll end up where you deserve to be - in the hedge. Learn to be progressive and, as mentioned, invest a bit of time in learning car control either on a skid pan or trackdays and you'll have the time of your life both in the wet and the dry.

[targarama]

Yes, the Sagaris is better in the wet. Mainly due to be being less hyper than the mk1 Tuscan which I see you had. It is still not an Audi Quattro though! But I'm sure you know that. I've found my T350 to be pretty tame in the wet, but I rarely push it in such conditions.

Ignore the other posters telling you how to drive - common factor on PHs. You see real PHers never make mistakes

[Vonlickensnatch]

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[targarama]

Vonlickensnatch said:

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Having driven both a fair bit I'd say the slag was the better wet car. The T350 is possibly more raw and what real men drive, and I have no problems in the wet. But the Sagaris is a tiny bit less sensitive to hamfisted inputs and thus less likely to go badger hunting IMO.

[Daftlad]

targarama said:

Vonlickensnatch said:

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Having driven both a fair bit I'd say the slag was the better wet car. The T350 is possibly more raw and what real men drive, and I have no problems in the wet. But the Sagaris is a tiny bit less sensitive to hamfisted inputs and thus less likely to go badger hunting IMO.

Agree.

[cramorra]

Before we all tell the poor fellow how to drive and how he could have done better it would be interesting to know what happened, decat???
Glad that you are out well, btw- I assume as you look for another performance car... and I know how scary this can be...
From my experiance the T350 is less nervous in the wet then the Cerb was - don´t know about the Tuscan, but seems to be fair to say that the handling of the newer crations seems to be a bit more controllable- power to weight ratio of course is the same and as said before plenty of scope to go backwards into the hedge...

[The Surveyor]

Try and drive a few, the later cars with the electric power steering (including the MkII Tuscan) are all less darty than the Tuscan Mk 1. If you liked the Tuscan, try a Mk II...

Paul

[DECAT]

targarama said:

Yes, the Sagaris is better in the wet. Mainly due to be being less hyper than the mk1 Tuscan which I see you had. It is still not an Audi Quattro though! But I'm sure you know that. I've found my T350 to be pretty tame in the wet, but I rarely push it in such conditions.

Ignore the other posters telling you how to drive - common factor on PHs. You see real PHers never make mistakes

Thanks for an informative reply!!!!

[Sarah J]

I used to have a 2002 tuscan and changed to a sagaris last year and from my own experiences so far (having covered 14k miles in her) the saggy is more planted than my tuscan was and not as fishtaily in the damp/wet.

However saying that at the end of the day it is a TVR and still deserves your respect. It still has the ability to suprise you when you least expect it as I suspect a number of us could testify to

You wont regret purchasing the saggy though it is a great experience and if you have the chance to own one then I would certainly recommend it .

[DJC]

Im usually alone in my opinion on this, so this is likely to be contrary to everybody else. I dont like and never have liked the steering on the Sagaris, I think it lacks feels and is way too over assisted. In the wet I find this is only exaccerbated. The front end feels disconnected and definately does not fill you with confidence to push much in the wet, the steering lacking even more feel and the quick rack and heavy assistence robbing your fingertips of being able to read the road. I used my car everyday and racked up 19,000 miles in her, commuting, touring, UK and Europe, rain and dry. Ironically enough I actually thought she got better in the wet as the tyres wore down, I got more confident with her towards the end!



In the dry the difference was night and day. I had a friend who used to run a Mk 1 Tuscan and gave him a slightly aggressive run out in the Sagaris and he damn nr left his fingernails in the leather. He swore blind that his Tuscan would have thrown us into the hedge at least a cpl of times and I didnt regard us of having done anything too interesting, indeed neither the front nor back moved off line an inch at all! In the wet though, I never thought the Sagaris gave as much confidence to me as it could have done and indeed now that I know better, that it is possible for it to do so with some more of the factor development work done that never really saw the light of day.

[sidewayz]

I had a mk 1 Tuscan S which I loved to bits.It was lively but I learned to have a light touch on the tiller and take care with the right foot.Then one night in the rain I spun the poor old girl and she was Cat D'd. Entirely my fault-It was my first TVR and I hadn't dialed in as well as I thought.

Then I bought a T350 which was so much better.

I lost the Tuscan due to my own stupidity ,but the T350 makes a mk1 feel wicked twitchy sometimes. A mk 2 is a whole different proposition and probably better sorted than a T350.I have only test driven one but it feels ever more planted.