My first ticket in the wedge
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What a dickhead cop!
Was I speeding? No.
No seatbelt? No.
Stunting? (ie: burnouts, excessive acceleration, doing donuts etc.) Nope.
The frickin dink gave me a $115 ticket for having my licence plate wired over the existing
rear reg mark. It looked like this... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48
He said it's illegal to display 2 plates at the same time and was going to seize the UK
plate but I got out electrical tape and covered the letters/numbers that stuck out past
my smaller North American licence plate. I also showed him the paper I'd gotten from the car show
on Saturday and explained it was only on the car because I use it for authenticy in cars shows, and
that I'd not made a proper licence plate bracket to hold my plate yet. So he didn't seize it, but gave
me the ticket anyhow despite covering up the rest with tape and doing everything in my power to appease
the goof.
What an @$$h0l3!
Was I speeding? No.
No seatbelt? No.
Stunting? (ie: burnouts, excessive acceleration, doing donuts etc.) Nope.
The frickin dink gave me a $115 ticket for having my licence plate wired over the existing
rear reg mark. It looked like this... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48
He said it's illegal to display 2 plates at the same time and was going to seize the UK
plate but I got out electrical tape and covered the letters/numbers that stuck out past
my smaller North American licence plate. I also showed him the paper I'd gotten from the car show
on Saturday and explained it was only on the car because I use it for authenticy in cars shows, and
that I'd not made a proper licence plate bracket to hold my plate yet. So he didn't seize it, but gave
me the ticket anyhow despite covering up the rest with tape and doing everything in my power to appease
the goof.
What an @$$h0l3!
I'm going to fight this ticket tooth and nail!
[quote]
www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/Regs/2002_320.cfm?frm_isbn=9780779720798
Condition of licence plate
71(1) No person shall drive a vehicle if the licence plate is not securely attached in accordance with this Regulation, legible and clearly visible at all times.[/quote]
According to the act, under "definitions" the legal term "securely" is not defined at all. In the plate's condition, no bump in the road, airflow, high-g's turn could possibly make it fall off. While it could be stolen with a pair of wire cutters, so could any other plate with a MUCH MORE common household item, to wit: a screwdriver.
F*** this sh|te, I'm fighting this to the max.
I know it's legal in the UK to use stickers/decals in place of a plate style reg mark. If you have pictures
of such a car, could you please send them to me? My point in court will be that if my car had decals and not a
plate, this would not have been an issue, thus neither should a reg mark plate.
TIA,
Mike
[quote]
www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/Regs/2002_320.cfm?frm_isbn=9780779720798
Condition of licence plate
71(1) No person shall drive a vehicle if the licence plate is not securely attached in accordance with this Regulation, legible and clearly visible at all times.[/quote]
According to the act, under "definitions" the legal term "securely" is not defined at all. In the plate's condition, no bump in the road, airflow, high-g's turn could possibly make it fall off. While it could be stolen with a pair of wire cutters, so could any other plate with a MUCH MORE common household item, to wit: a screwdriver.
F*** this sh|te, I'm fighting this to the max.
I know it's legal in the UK to use stickers/decals in place of a plate style reg mark. If you have pictures
of such a car, could you please send them to me? My point in court will be that if my car had decals and not a
plate, this would not have been an issue, thus neither should a reg mark plate.
TIA,
Mike
Edited by brap_brap on Monday 21st May 19:08
If anyone can help me find the UK licencing law that states the plate remains with the car even until it's crushed I'd be much obliged.
Apparently, the law here has a loophole I can expliot to beat this.
Delving a little deeper into the law...
[quote]Location of plates
70(2) The owner of a vehicle that has a licence plate shall not display on the vehicle
(a) any other vehicle plate or device bearing numbers or letters or both that are identical to or have the general appearance of a licence plate, or
(b) a vehicle plate issued by a competent authority of any other jurisdiction, unless the display is required by this Regulation [size=4]or by the laws of the jurisdiction that issued the plate[/size].[/quote]
See the bold, italicized/huge part... "The owner of a vehicle that has a licence plate shall not display on the vehicle... a vehicle plate issued by a competent authority of any other jurisdiction, unless the display is required by this Regulation or by the laws of the jurisdiction that issued the plate.
In the UK, unlike here, the plate stays with the car by law, even in the JUNK YARD! OUR law says if the issuing authority requires it, the plate may stay.... and in this case, the issuing authority does. So f*ck them, I did things to the letter of the law....too bad the asinine cop doesn't know the law.
Apparently, the law here has a loophole I can expliot to beat this.
Delving a little deeper into the law...
[quote]Location of plates
70(2) The owner of a vehicle that has a licence plate shall not display on the vehicle
(a) any other vehicle plate or device bearing numbers or letters or both that are identical to or have the general appearance of a licence plate, or
(b) a vehicle plate issued by a competent authority of any other jurisdiction, unless the display is required by this Regulation [size=4]or by the laws of the jurisdiction that issued the plate[/size].[/quote]
See the bold, italicized/huge part... "The owner of a vehicle that has a licence plate shall not display on the vehicle... a vehicle plate issued by a competent authority of any other jurisdiction, unless the display is required by this Regulation or by the laws of the jurisdiction that issued the plate.
In the UK, unlike here, the plate stays with the car by law, even in the JUNK YARD! OUR law says if the issuing authority requires it, the plate may stay.... and in this case, the issuing authority does. So f*ck them, I did things to the letter of the law....too bad the asinine cop doesn't know the law.
brap_brap said:
I know it's legal in the UK to use stickers/decals in place of a plate style reg mark.]
Reg plate rules are actually quite strict, despite being flouted by a large number of people.
The rules govern size, shape and colour of plate, font style, size and spacing not just of letters but groups of them and their distance from plate edges. Oh and plates must be vertical as well.
Certain exemptions exist but mostly for pre-'72 cars.
Historically, the only car that was ever given tacit dispensation to use adhesive letters directly onto the bodyshell was the E-type Jaguar.
Even Alfa Romeo fell foul of the rules with one of their 1990s models that featured an offset front plate (not a problem in Italy, where it was styled) and IIRC had to redesign the front bumper for the UK market.
Well I visited DVLA as well as my gov's site and DVLA says until the "Certificate of Export" is completed, the
reg mark must remain.... DVLA sent me a letter saying no certificate could be issued since my address wasn't
compatible with their computer system, hence by law, the reg mark must remain.... and in addition, the law here (as previously shown) says a second plate is allowed provided the law of the issuing jurisdiction requires it.
IMHO, I'm no lawyer, but I think I found the loophole to have the case dismissed.
reg mark must remain.... DVLA sent me a letter saying no certificate could be issued since my address wasn't
compatible with their computer system, hence by law, the reg mark must remain.... and in addition, the law here (as previously shown) says a second plate is allowed provided the law of the issuing jurisdiction requires it.
IMHO, I'm no lawyer, but I think I found the loophole to have the case dismissed.
Edited by brap_brap on Tuesday 22 May 00:57
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