Dyslxic number plates
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So instead of points and fine you stand to get a prison sentence for perverting the course of justice. If found out you would have to testify in court that you did not know the numbers had been switched and you'd probaly end up with a purgery conviction as well.
Not to mention, problems with insurance claims, tax etc.
I would suggest to anyone thinking of doing this to tread very carefully.
Not to mention, problems with insurance claims, tax etc.
I would suggest to anyone thinking of doing this to tread very carefully.
You would be responsible on purchase that it is right. It is illegal to display either a registration plate with illegable characters or wrong identification. Bike riders already know this as the size of the letters on a registration plate have to be a certain size. I was at Donnington Park where they were pulling up bikes with illegal plates.
my god smegol get a life an lighten up Ive for your information beed puled an P&C ed with the dodgy plate with no action taken and as for purgury you would have to prove criminal intent in the first place and as its a correct plate with all the right numbers and letters theres no intent just two letters transposed this is entirely diffrent to a false or made up plate where there is obvious intentr and no arguable case lighten up for gods sake!
Yeah, I think we'll start see loads of this, its the only why you'll be able to ride/drive about with constantly whatching you speed with out losng you license coz you got too many points from gatso etc.
BTW down here (france)I don't think I seen a bike with a plate on, yet alone size etc..
BTW down here (france)I don't think I seen a bike with a plate on, yet alone size etc..
Custom plates + Matlock = fine and points. Most Sundays throughout the summer there has been a collection of plod in and about Matlock, Derbys. They have ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE OF HUMOUR WHATSOEVER. Plates, lights and even noise levels have all been being checked this year. If you get Gatso'd with the plate W4NKA when your actual reg. is W4KNA the W4NKA plate will be registered on the PNC. Nottinghamshire and Staffordshire have plate recognition software that will alert plod to a false plate. If you are stop checked anywhere else they will check the plate as there is an alert on it you will not be allowed to proceed. It's not worth the stress. I have, however, found an amazing way of not being caught speeding-don't speed 
How about a number plate register by vehicle and colour.
That would enable you to find an exact match to your car/bike and then use one of the other registrations - i.e. cloning.
Then if you do go around speeding you will never get a ticket as the owner of the registration should be able to prove that they were not in the area at the time - it should also be a reciprocal agreement where you let you reg be used as well. You have plausible deniability as well!
That would enable you to find an exact match to your car/bike and then use one of the other registrations - i.e. cloning.
Then if you do go around speeding you will never get a ticket as the owner of the registration should be able to prove that they were not in the area at the time - it should also be a reciprocal agreement where you let you reg be used as well. You have plausible deniability as well!
Surely there's a more serious side to this?
Hit and run accidents for one.
The purpose of having a correctly spaced number plate in a standard, non-crap font and without bending/squashing letters and fitting bolt heads in stupid places is so that a member of the public could easily read the plate and report to the police.
Hit and run accidents for one.
The purpose of having a correctly spaced number plate in a standard, non-crap font and without bending/squashing letters and fitting bolt heads in stupid places is so that a member of the public could easily read the plate and report to the police.
Actually, you could argue that one in favour of incorretly spaced letters.
I mean, what is a shocked bystander more likely to remember:
a) "It said something like 'wanker', officer" (in which case the plod will put 2 & 2 together and try 'W4NKA')
b) "It was W4-something, officer. Sorry, I can't remember the rest".
I mean, what is a shocked bystander more likely to remember:
a) "It said something like 'wanker', officer" (in which case the plod will put 2 & 2 together and try 'W4NKA')
b) "It was W4-something, officer. Sorry, I can't remember the rest".
Three years ago I was pulled in my TVR whilst sitting in a traffic jam on Derby ring road.
My offence? Well the loan plod who pulled me had run a check on my plate and reckoned it wasn't kosha. Having been invited to join the officer in his nice shiney Range Rover I told him VERY politely that it was a personalised plate and had only been fitted a fortnight previous.
He rechecked with whoever is on the other end of the radio and two minutes later got confirmation of my story.
I expected to go at that point but he stopped me from getting out of his car and told me he "hadn't finished with me yet!"
We then sat in silence for at least 5 minutes as he stared intently at the back of my Tiv. Finally he jumped out of the car, got down behind my car with a tape measure and actually set about measuring the distance between each of the characters!
He "discovered" that one of my numbers was 20mm too far to the left or right or something like that ( yes it really was that pernickity) and promptly gave me a ticket! No reasoning with him, I just had to sit and listen to him as he wrote me up whilst lecturing me on my being a danger to society cos of my 20mm discrepancy. He really laid into me!
The plate was perfectly legible, the characters were the right size and it didn't spell any words, rude or otherwise.
This incident has made me VERY anti police, especially when, as he finally let me leave, a girl in a mini Suzuki 4x4 thing zoomed past with a plate that was illegal from a spacing, letter font and legibility standpoint and our plodding hero ignored her completely.
The moral of this story has to be that if you drive/ride anything decent in Derbyshire make sure your plates are spot on or you will be pulled.
Andy TVR 400SE
My offence? Well the loan plod who pulled me had run a check on my plate and reckoned it wasn't kosha. Having been invited to join the officer in his nice shiney Range Rover I told him VERY politely that it was a personalised plate and had only been fitted a fortnight previous.
He rechecked with whoever is on the other end of the radio and two minutes later got confirmation of my story.
I expected to go at that point but he stopped me from getting out of his car and told me he "hadn't finished with me yet!"
We then sat in silence for at least 5 minutes as he stared intently at the back of my Tiv. Finally he jumped out of the car, got down behind my car with a tape measure and actually set about measuring the distance between each of the characters!
He "discovered" that one of my numbers was 20mm too far to the left or right or something like that ( yes it really was that pernickity) and promptly gave me a ticket! No reasoning with him, I just had to sit and listen to him as he wrote me up whilst lecturing me on my being a danger to society cos of my 20mm discrepancy. He really laid into me!
The plate was perfectly legible, the characters were the right size and it didn't spell any words, rude or otherwise.
This incident has made me VERY anti police, especially when, as he finally let me leave, a girl in a mini Suzuki 4x4 thing zoomed past with a plate that was illegal from a spacing, letter font and legibility standpoint and our plodding hero ignored her completely.
The moral of this story has to be that if you drive/ride anything decent in Derbyshire make sure your plates are spot on or you will be pulled.
Andy TVR 400SE
Hotwheels, you may think I have no sense of humour, but I tell you, the police that were pulling bikes in and measuring the plates were laughing all the way to the bank
Andy I feel for you, its coppers like this that give the police a bad name. I had a similar experience where I was put into the back of a patrol car outside my own house with an open garage door, asked about my car.. practically accused of stealing it, then when he radioed in and found everything I said was true, he asked for a document show and wouldn't wait for me to fetch them from my house. Not as bad as yours with a ticket, but I got the feeling he would have done if he could.
Edited by smeagol on Monday 19th November 14:52
Andy I feel for you, its coppers like this that give the police a bad name. I had a similar experience where I was put into the back of a patrol car outside my own house with an open garage door, asked about my car.. practically accused of stealing it, then when he radioed in and found everything I said was true, he asked for a document show and wouldn't wait for me to fetch them from my house. Not as bad as yours with a ticket, but I got the feeling he would have done if he could.
Edited by smeagol on Monday 19th November 14:52
I feel we have had a similar thread a while back. As already pointed out wrong no plate = fraud use of reg mark forget points its a criminal conviction (does not look good on C.V.'s or insurance claims/proposals) As for mis- spaced reg marks if you think we are petty for potting you for them are you not as petty for mis-repsenting it in the first place. It's there to identify yer car, the format was designed so that numbers/letters that were similar could be distingushed by the group they were in. I for one have wasted many hours trying to identify a cars from an RTA's where the numbers were 'cocked up' hence most that I see now get a ticket. The excuse of "what about a warning" is a bit thin as when the plates are sold by DVLA they send out a leaflet with the correct spacing regs on, in addition whoever makes the plate up will also point out it is illegally spaced, so when they eventually get stopped by the Police they will have had 2 warnings, How many times do people need to be told??!! The other bit about checing cars out is a bit unfair. It is one of the ways we recover alot of stolen/ringed cars. Most of which can be in the hands of innocent purchasers.
Edited by john robson on Monday 19th November 17:18
Edited by john robson on Monday 19th November 17:18
Sorry John, but I can only agree with you part of the way.
The point about the fellow who stopped me was that he was obviously looking for something to nail me for.
I did not monkey with the spacing, the plates were as supplied and to be honest the "new" plates I bought after this event are barely distinguishable from the ones that got me a ticket.
I would not defend plates with alternative fonts, or even (as seen frequently) letters bent or changed to make them look like others.
I spoke to a Police Sergeant the next day after my ticket ( I know him through his/my kids school) and invited him to find fault with my car (still on the old plates) and he spent 15 minutes examining everything before he gave up.
When I pointed to my "spacing" crime he was speechless. He said (and I quote) "He only gave you a ticket 'cos he's jealous of your car".
You are just gonna have to face it John. You might be a super guy and a great copper but too many of your colleagues are total arseholes. And thats a fact!
Andy
Edited by andymadmak on Monday 19th November 17:24
The point about the fellow who stopped me was that he was obviously looking for something to nail me for.
I did not monkey with the spacing, the plates were as supplied and to be honest the "new" plates I bought after this event are barely distinguishable from the ones that got me a ticket.
I would not defend plates with alternative fonts, or even (as seen frequently) letters bent or changed to make them look like others.
I spoke to a Police Sergeant the next day after my ticket ( I know him through his/my kids school) and invited him to find fault with my car (still on the old plates) and he spent 15 minutes examining everything before he gave up.
When I pointed to my "spacing" crime he was speechless. He said (and I quote) "He only gave you a ticket 'cos he's jealous of your car".
You are just gonna have to face it John. You might be a super guy and a great copper but too many of your colleagues are total arseholes. And thats a fact!
Andy
Edited by andymadmak on Monday 19th November 17:24
But aren't the DVLA inciting or aiding and abetting the use of illegally spaced reg plates by auctioning 'highly collectable' ones such as AR51OLE, AT05SER and M4GIC - these are NEVER advertised as 'AR 51 OLE', 'AT 05 SER' and 'M 4 GIC' as that would look stupid.
They are only valuable because of the 'words' they spell out. Surely the trade in these plates should be stamped out and then there would be no excuse for people to have custom plates as they would look even more stupid. Instead of H8NDA in cursive script it would be H876HGA.
It should be illegal to change the reg of the car for a cosmetic plate. Yet the DVLA get all the money and then the poor sod who spends upwards of £500 on it gets it confiscated and the DVLA accepts no responsibility whatsoever!
Edited by M-five on Monday 19th November 17:35
They are only valuable because of the 'words' they spell out. Surely the trade in these plates should be stamped out and then there would be no excuse for people to have custom plates as they would look even more stupid. Instead of H8NDA in cursive script it would be H876HGA.
It should be illegal to change the reg of the car for a cosmetic plate. Yet the DVLA get all the money and then the poor sod who spends upwards of £500 on it gets it confiscated and the DVLA accepts no responsibility whatsoever!
Edited by M-five on Monday 19th November 17:35
Several years ago I had an "incident" with a hertz hire car the thing was a rover 400 with about 60 mileson the clock when I got it about 20 miles down the road the gearbox litterly exploded and left me on the hard shoulder of the M25. I picked up my mobile and phoned the recovery people stated on the paperwork and gave the number plate on my paperwork. I then walked to the rear of the car and used the emergency phone to say "I'm ok and it's being dealt with" when asked for reg number I read it from the back of the car and thought thats not what I said just now. Basically the front and rear number plates were different the front was correct the rear was one numerical digit out and it had obviously happened when the bloke putting them on a line of cars had got a bit out of sync. The point is it does happen innocently, in that case I didn't get done but created such a stink I got the hire for nothing. I could have done if I'd met a shitty plod and a "criminal conviction" would not have been funny.
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