Degree classification and getting a graduate job
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Most of us are considering the best case scenario, in that once we leave uni we will look for, and eventually, get a job.
However, I have it stuck in my head that I will get a 2.2 - put it down to fear of exam results and I don't even know when those are out. I won't be happy with this as most jobs ask for a 2.1 and above.
If I did get a 2.2, would it really be the end of the world? I'd feel I can't live with myself if I got such a grade, partly because everyone sees me as clever and a straight A student, and I don't associate a 2.2 with straight As (only a 1:1 with that).
If I got a 2.2 and I did an MSc and got a 2.1/1.1 or A (don't know how the grading works for an MSc), would this compensate the 2.2 in a BSc? So employers would overlook the 2.2?
P.S. this thread is not meant to be degrading to anyone who got a 2.2. Effort and grades don't always work out to be the same.
However, I have it stuck in my head that I will get a 2.2 - put it down to fear of exam results and I don't even know when those are out. I won't be happy with this as most jobs ask for a 2.1 and above.
If I did get a 2.2, would it really be the end of the world? I'd feel I can't live with myself if I got such a grade, partly because everyone sees me as clever and a straight A student, and I don't associate a 2.2 with straight As (only a 1:1 with that).
If I got a 2.2 and I did an MSc and got a 2.1/1.1 or A (don't know how the grading works for an MSc), would this compensate the 2.2 in a BSc? So employers would overlook the 2.2?
P.S. this thread is not meant to be degrading to anyone who got a 2.2. Effort and grades don't always work out to be the same.
hey,
i am an employer, i have a small business with just over 30 staff. Of these 26 are engineers - real engineers mind with engineering degrees, not blokes who fix the boiler, and have the word engineer on the van.
When we recruit, we dont pay too much attention to the classification, as it can be very misleading. It is not as simple as suggesting that the higher the grade the better the employee. In my experience I have interviewed guys with very high grades who whilst being very bright, have not been nearly as useful as guys with 2:2's. I have also experienced the exact opposite.
In my opinion, the degree is a cost of entry, and the grade is not important. What is most impressive is a candidate who clearly WANTS to work for you. You can spot them easily - they are the ones who have researched the position properly, have bothered to present themselves properly, and have taken the time to learn good answers to the textbook questions which come up in every interview.
Look at the recent apprentice episodes - Simon is as wet as they come, and next to useless at everything, but boy does he want it - so he makes the final.
Remember your GCSE's? anyone asked what grades you got recently? well get used to it, as they probably never will again. Like your GCSE score, your actual grades will eventually be forgotten.
hope this helps!
i am an employer, i have a small business with just over 30 staff. Of these 26 are engineers - real engineers mind with engineering degrees, not blokes who fix the boiler, and have the word engineer on the van.
When we recruit, we dont pay too much attention to the classification, as it can be very misleading. It is not as simple as suggesting that the higher the grade the better the employee. In my experience I have interviewed guys with very high grades who whilst being very bright, have not been nearly as useful as guys with 2:2's. I have also experienced the exact opposite.
In my opinion, the degree is a cost of entry, and the grade is not important. What is most impressive is a candidate who clearly WANTS to work for you. You can spot them easily - they are the ones who have researched the position properly, have bothered to present themselves properly, and have taken the time to learn good answers to the textbook questions which come up in every interview.
Look at the recent apprentice episodes - Simon is as wet as they come, and next to useless at everything, but boy does he want it - so he makes the final.
Remember your GCSE's? anyone asked what grades you got recently? well get used to it, as they probably never will again. Like your GCSE score, your actual grades will eventually be forgotten.
hope this helps!
Difficult to equate degree classifications. For example, am I more impressed with a 2:2 from a tough course at a top flight instiution who specialise in the area I want, or a 2:1 from Anytown Poly (sorry University)? Answer 2:2.
I would also take into account experience, the battle they have had to get the 2:2 and the effort made in the application to get to work for us in particular.
There is no evidence to my knowledge that a 2:1 produces employees better than a 2;2, except they mayhave a bettr knowledge base which might be impotant in subject specific/vocational degrees. Organisations impose the ":1 to control the field and to give thenm some sense of selecting the more 'elite' In fact I know at least one institution where almost everyone seems to get a 2;1 but there is a roaring trade in asignments and if I know that other local employer must too?
I would also take into account experience, the battle they have had to get the 2:2 and the effort made in the application to get to work for us in particular.
There is no evidence to my knowledge that a 2:1 produces employees better than a 2;2, except they mayhave a bettr knowledge base which might be impotant in subject specific/vocational degrees. Organisations impose the ":1 to control the field and to give thenm some sense of selecting the more 'elite' In fact I know at least one institution where almost everyone seems to get a 2;1 but there is a roaring trade in asignments and if I know that other local employer must too?
To be honest mate, it really depends on the employer you are applying for, if you are looking for a good graduate job in a blue chip company then they would want a 2.1 or a 1st class student.
But if you present yourself well and get to the interview stage make your self stand out from the rest.
My current employer is obsessed with Degrees anyone who applies now needs at least a second degree (MSc/MBA) to get an interview. But i know 2 other companies around the same area who do not apply this to there selection process.
Steve
But if you present yourself well and get to the interview stage make your self stand out from the rest.
My current employer is obsessed with Degrees anyone who applies now needs at least a second degree (MSc/MBA) to get an interview. But i know 2 other companies around the same area who do not apply this to there selection process.
Steve
daver777 said:
Remember your GCSE's? anyone asked what grades you got recently? well get used to it, as they probably never will again. Like your GCSE score, your actual grades will eventually be forgotten.
hope this helps!
Hmm... you might be surprised. Despite having done a numerate degree I was asked in an interview what grades I had received for Maths and English.hope this helps!
Employers seem to vary on what they want. There was a phase where some organisations preferred a 2:1 to a first, as they believed they would have a "more rounded individual"... whether that is still true or not I don't know.
A Desmond is seen as a "drinkers degree" to some extent, but several of my mates came out from Uni with them, and are doing perfectly well thanks.
If you go the MSc route, then people aren't bothered about your BSc result if it's in the same field. That said, I had to get a 2:1 to get onto the Masters course...
Podie said:
daver777 said:
Remember your GCSE's? anyone asked what grades you got recently? well get used to it, as they probably never will again. Like your GCSE score, your actual grades will eventually be forgotten.
hope this helps!
Hmm... you might be surprised. Despite having done a numerate degree I was asked in an interview what grades I had received for Maths and English.hope this helps!
Depends what you want to do.
As mentioned, many large companies especially highly competitive state 1st or 2:1
If you don't have this, then sorry but your chances of getting an interview are slim to non. Thats the reality. With 000's of applications coming in they would not read it. Doesnt meet the spec they have asked for, so your aplication will be filtered out.
Typically these employers will ask for 22+ points (or current eqivelant) from A levels also.
However there are plenty of jobs that ask for 2:2 or above.
In reality, employers want people that will fit in, have relevant experience and will make a positive contribution to their company. BUT - if getting lots of applications, they need to filter them somehow.
I have known people with a 1st from cambridge have no luck because the employer did not like them at interview, so degree not most important but due to filtering will help you.
Depends what you are going for really, if i were you i would still apply for ones that ask for a 2:1 and make sure your application and covering letter are very good so you get to application stage.
A suggestion if you got a 2:2 would be to put your degree class as 'Second Class' on your CV. Then if you get to interview and they ask for clarification you can say whether it was upper or lower division. Hopefully this may help you get through to impress them at interview rather than just being rejected by whats on paper.
In reality, there could be no difference between the ability of someone with 59% grade and a 2:2 and 61% and a 2:1.
As mentioned, many large companies especially highly competitive state 1st or 2:1
If you don't have this, then sorry but your chances of getting an interview are slim to non. Thats the reality. With 000's of applications coming in they would not read it. Doesnt meet the spec they have asked for, so your aplication will be filtered out.
Typically these employers will ask for 22+ points (or current eqivelant) from A levels also.
However there are plenty of jobs that ask for 2:2 or above.
In reality, employers want people that will fit in, have relevant experience and will make a positive contribution to their company. BUT - if getting lots of applications, they need to filter them somehow.
I have known people with a 1st from cambridge have no luck because the employer did not like them at interview, so degree not most important but due to filtering will help you.
Depends what you are going for really, if i were you i would still apply for ones that ask for a 2:1 and make sure your application and covering letter are very good so you get to application stage.
A suggestion if you got a 2:2 would be to put your degree class as 'Second Class' on your CV. Then if you get to interview and they ask for clarification you can say whether it was upper or lower division. Hopefully this may help you get through to impress them at interview rather than just being rejected by whats on paper.
In reality, there could be no difference between the ability of someone with 59% grade and a 2:2 and 61% and a 2:1.
TSS said:
Podie said:
daver777 said:
Remember your GCSE's? anyone asked what grades you got recently? well get used to it, as they probably never will again. Like your GCSE score, your actual grades will eventually be forgotten.
hope this helps!
Hmm... you might be surprised. Despite having done a numerate degree I was asked in an interview what grades I had received for Maths and English.hope this helps!
I got a third, by the way, and people often choose not to employ me!
What bothers me is that I may go to an interview, the interviewer is happy with my C.V., experience, skills, and so forth. And then he may ask me about my degree and degree classification, and IF I do get a 2.2 (the marking at my uni is so unpredictable, a lecturer loves my work but gives me a C), then I will do an MSC to definately compensate as I cannot live with a 2.2. I'm a straight A student. However, even if I get a merit or distinction in an MsC, one employer may say that "oh but you got a 2.2 in your BSC, however", and reject me even so. This may happen at a big company like British Airways, Toyota, or wherever, even despite any skills or experience I hold.
Z064life said:
What bothers me is that I may go to an interview, the interviewer is happy with my C.V., experience, skills, and so forth. And then he may ask me about my degree and degree classification, and IF I do get a 2.2 (the marking at my uni is so unpredictable, a lecturer loves my work but gives me a C), then I will do an MSC to definately compensate as I cannot live with a 2.2. I'm a straight A student. However, even if I get a merit or distinction in an MsC, one employer may say that "oh but you got a 2.2 in your BSC, however", and reject me even so. This may happen at a big company like British Airways, Toyota, or wherever, even despite any skills or experience I hold.
No disresepct but if you cannot live with yourself getting a 2:2 then go on to sudy for an Msc, what is to say that your grade will suddenly jump? I obtained a 2:1 LLB, worked whilst studying LPC, then completed Msc HRM. I did the Msc because the subject matter was of real interest to me and because it aided me in my chosen career direction. If you are doing an Msc just for the sake of it or to compensate elsewhere then I'd suggest you will be sorely disappointed at the outcome.I don't know how old you are or what your expereince is but you really should not get so hung up about joining corporate graduate scheme or big brand companies. You can always join them later.
If your main problem is getting a 2:2 then I'd suggest work better to get a 2:1 or find better strategies to cope with the result.
edc said:
Z064life said:
What bothers me is that I may go to an interview, the interviewer is happy with my C.V., experience, skills, and so forth. And then he may ask me about my degree and degree classification, and IF I do get a 2.2 (the marking at my uni is so unpredictable, a lecturer loves my work but gives me a C), then I will do an MSC to definately compensate as I cannot live with a 2.2. I'm a straight A student. However, even if I get a merit or distinction in an MsC, one employer may say that "oh but you got a 2.2 in your BSC, however", and reject me even so. This may happen at a big company like British Airways, Toyota, or wherever, even despite any skills or experience I hold.
No disresepct but if you cannot live with yourself getting a 2:2 then go on to sudy for an Msc, what is to say that your grade will suddenly jump? I obtained a 2:1 LLB, worked whilst studying LPC, then completed Msc HRM. I did the Msc because the subject matter was of real interest to me and because it aided me in my chosen career direction. If you are doing an Msc just for the sake of it or to compensate elsewhere then I'd suggest you will be sorely disappointed at the outcome.I don't know how old you are or what your expereince is but you really should not get so hung up about joining corporate graduate scheme or big brand companies. You can always join them later.
If your main problem is getting a 2:2 then I'd suggest work better to get a 2:1 or find better strategies to cope with the result.
There is nothing to say that my grade will jump in an MSC, in fact more the opposite as logically an MSC would be more effort, however I'd have learnt a lot of lessons - such as get an external tutor who can check my work because my lecturers cannot be trusted as they say "oh your work is great keep up the effort you'll get an A, your dissertation could get published", but when it comes to them marking it they say things that indicate the opposite.
For sure medium sized companies won't be so strict with the degree classification, but big companies get the most competition and smallest intake (10 in the case of a company applied to), so any reason not to employ me will be used against me - such as a 2.2. I'd like to know what recent graduates have experienced in these sorts of situations.
And I'm 21.
Do what you feel is right for your career path. you do not have to justify it to people on here. Especially with what EDC said.
I left uni with a MEng degree with not the right classification but i could not get into through the selection process for a major uk comany so i went for a company smaller company got the experience and then applied after 18 month experience. I got the job at a higher level than the graduate intake that i would have started with. If you want to work at a company for whatever reason you will have to find alternative ways in, get some experience behind you in a different comapny for 2-3 years and apply for a job after. they will look at you experience first and then the qualifications.
Better still work for one of there competitors then they will gladly interview you to try and get you off the payroll of the rival company as long as you are up to the job.
Steve
I left uni with a MEng degree with not the right classification but i could not get into through the selection process for a major uk comany so i went for a company smaller company got the experience and then applied after 18 month experience. I got the job at a higher level than the graduate intake that i would have started with. If you want to work at a company for whatever reason you will have to find alternative ways in, get some experience behind you in a different comapny for 2-3 years and apply for a job after. they will look at you experience first and then the qualifications.
Better still work for one of there competitors then they will gladly interview you to try and get you off the payroll of the rival company as long as you are up to the job.
Steve
I got a 2.2! 
Now I'm the HR Director...
Here's the bottom line: When it comes to your first job your degree grade matters. It matters because HR have nothing else to go on. Some of the big consultancies will insist on a 1 or 2.1 but no-one else can and still find enough employees!
Once you have some experience - that will be what counts. Some firms require a degree as a matter of policy - but that's all they care about. A tick in the box. The grade won't matter. Its what you did in your last job that they care about: can you deliver.
Now: my degree grade never mattered because I found a job before I left uni and had worked for the firm each summer for a couple of years and did a placement with them - all before graduating. So the first job I actually had to apply for as a "graduate" was my second. All they cared about was what I'd done in the first one...
HTH
Now I'm the HR Director...Here's the bottom line: When it comes to your first job your degree grade matters. It matters because HR have nothing else to go on. Some of the big consultancies will insist on a 1 or 2.1 but no-one else can and still find enough employees!
Once you have some experience - that will be what counts. Some firms require a degree as a matter of policy - but that's all they care about. A tick in the box. The grade won't matter. Its what you did in your last job that they care about: can you deliver.
Now: my degree grade never mattered because I found a job before I left uni and had worked for the firm each summer for a couple of years and did a placement with them - all before graduating. So the first job I actually had to apply for as a "graduate" was my second. All they cared about was what I'd done in the first one...
HTH
TSS said:
Podie said:
daver777 said:
Remember your GCSE's? anyone asked what grades you got recently? well get used to it, as they probably never will again. Like your GCSE score, your actual grades will eventually be forgotten.
hope this helps!
Hmm... you might be surprised. Despite having done a numerate degree I was asked in an interview what grades I had received for Maths and English.hope this helps!
I wouldn't bet that GCSE English language means they can write a grammtically correct letter.
I vet around 16000 applications a year and of the 6000-7000 we bring to interview, we lose 12% because their application form written English is too poor, and they all have GCSE English. We don't have a very high standard and don't actually penalise grammatical errors (only spelling errors) so I fear GCSE doesn't count for much. We test written English again before appointment in a timed job related test and still get people who passed at application stage and have the rest of the job skills who then fail the English standard. I even had a candidate with GCSE grade B, A level English grade C and with a degree in English Lit. who failed trhe basic standard and came in with her solicitor threatening us with a tribunal. Her solicitor was uppity and indignant until the application form was pushed across the desk with the spelling errors highlighted. He coughed, asked to see his client privately and we have not heard from either of them since.
I think that before you apply any stabndard you should at least have some evidence that the standard is needed. We have recently adjusted our standard downward a bit at the first screening which is a slightly tougher standard than the timed test after an exercise where we gave operational mangagers scripts from the job related timed test to sort into 'good enough' and 'not good enough' piles and found it to be spot on with the results of the timed and job related test.
Don said:
I got a 2.2! Now I'm the HR Director...
Here's the bottom line: When it comes to your first job your degree grade matters. It matters because HR have nothing else to go on. Some of the big consultancies will insist on a 1 or 2.1 but no-one else can and still find enough employees!
Once you have some experience - that will be what counts. Some firms require a degree as a matter of policy - but that's all they care about. A tick in the box. The grade won't matter. Its what you did in your last job that they care about: can you deliver.
Now: my degree grade never mattered because I found a job before I left uni and had worked for the firm each summer for a couple of years and did a placement with them - all before graduating. So the first job I actually had to apply for as a "graduate" was my second. All they cared about was what I'd done in the first one...
HTH
I think companies who insist on a certain degree classification obviously have never had that challenged. I wonder what evidence they have that a 2.1 is better than a 2.2? Unless the training has a significant cognitive load or they have specific evidence that the lower grade produces poorer work performance or higher failure rates they could be on dodgy ground. I worked with one fast-stream recently with a 2.1 requirement which has had to be droped because they couldn't evidence the need. By fluke (they had internal and external ways in and the internal route didn't require the 2.1) they had taken some people with a 2.2 on the programme and it turned out they had done just as well (and better in some cases). Don is evidence of that! Now I'm the HR Director...Here's the bottom line: When it comes to your first job your degree grade matters. It matters because HR have nothing else to go on. Some of the big consultancies will insist on a 1 or 2.1 but no-one else can and still find enough employees!
Once you have some experience - that will be what counts. Some firms require a degree as a matter of policy - but that's all they care about. A tick in the box. The grade won't matter. Its what you did in your last job that they care about: can you deliver.
Now: my degree grade never mattered because I found a job before I left uni and had worked for the firm each summer for a couple of years and did a placement with them - all before graduating. So the first job I actually had to apply for as a "graduate" was my second. All they cared about was what I'd done in the first one...
HTH
Differences in the academic performance of different groups (e.g. black groups tend to do more poorly and some ASsian groups/Chinese do better) which suggests that unless the requirement is based on something tangible that they could be vulnerable to a tribunal for indirect discrimination. I think the same will soon be true for males/females if the current gap keeps widening (although males have tended to get better at degree level). I think the least they should do is to have a detailed look at the job to identify the 'knowledge' elements which might be predicted by a higher degree classification at ideally a prper study of the differences in work performance between 2.1 and firsts, as if the classification matters it would usually be a linear reltaionship and the first should do better than the 2.1??.
I'm guessing that you aren't a final year student? If you were you already would have applied for and either been offered or not a graduate position.
It's true that the vast majority of graduate schemes require someone with a 2:1 or above. If you want to work for top tier consultancy firms or in front office investment banking roles and haven't got a 2:1 from a university these firms target (of which there are only 5 or 6), you are going to need in all liklihood a first, relevant work experience and interesting extra-curricular activities. No disrespect to the people who are saying it doesn't matter that much, but they are wrong. I know this from personal experience in the last few years, the experience of my peers, discussions with recruitment consultants and evidence from where I work now.
As Leftie, I think, has said that's what it takes to get through the pre-screening stage. the big recruiters get so many applicants that they can use software to screen out anything they don't want e.g. 2:2s and to scan for key words in the essays you have to write. Again no disrespect to other posters, but talking about covering letters and CVs is about 10 years out of date. Unfortunately an applicant now has to fill in forms asking normally anything between 5 and 10 competency based questions on top of CV type information. These forms can take a good day to do properly. The good news Z06 is that if you really think you can get a 2:1 there is no harm putting that down on the form, likewise a first. If you do get to interview/assessment centre stage and get made an offer and end up with a 2:2, if they liked you enough you will still get the job.
If you aren't successful, it's not the end of the world. Go out and get experience with a smaller company and then try again as an experienced hire. I'm 26 and got a 2:2, when like you based on my previous results was expecting a first. I didn't get on a graduate training scheme and took a job in a call centre in my home town to pay my way. I was promoted to team manager within two months of starting and after a year applied to make an internal transfer into the finance department of another part of the company. Fast forward a couple of jobs and years later and I now work for a major investment bank and probably earn more than their graduate intake in my function do. I reckon out of my course at uni I was probably in the bottom 5% in terms of job at graduation, as most of my class did make it onto graduate schemes. Now I would say I'm in the top 5%. That sounds bigheaded, but I'm just trying to point out it that isn't the end of the world, if you get a 2:2.
Oh I got C in my English Language GCSE. It means I'm no good at creative writing! I recently took a test with an exam board for script markers, to ensure my English was good enough. Being a graduate was a prerequisite to be invited to take the test. Apparently I'm the only person who scored 100%. There were 40 questions and the previous highest score was 36. I really struggled to see how people could get four questions wrong. I didn't dare ask what the pass mark was, but it adds weight in my mind to the media reports of employers complaining that they can't find literate graduates!
It's true that the vast majority of graduate schemes require someone with a 2:1 or above. If you want to work for top tier consultancy firms or in front office investment banking roles and haven't got a 2:1 from a university these firms target (of which there are only 5 or 6), you are going to need in all liklihood a first, relevant work experience and interesting extra-curricular activities. No disrespect to the people who are saying it doesn't matter that much, but they are wrong. I know this from personal experience in the last few years, the experience of my peers, discussions with recruitment consultants and evidence from where I work now.
As Leftie, I think, has said that's what it takes to get through the pre-screening stage. the big recruiters get so many applicants that they can use software to screen out anything they don't want e.g. 2:2s and to scan for key words in the essays you have to write. Again no disrespect to other posters, but talking about covering letters and CVs is about 10 years out of date. Unfortunately an applicant now has to fill in forms asking normally anything between 5 and 10 competency based questions on top of CV type information. These forms can take a good day to do properly. The good news Z06 is that if you really think you can get a 2:1 there is no harm putting that down on the form, likewise a first. If you do get to interview/assessment centre stage and get made an offer and end up with a 2:2, if they liked you enough you will still get the job.
If you aren't successful, it's not the end of the world. Go out and get experience with a smaller company and then try again as an experienced hire. I'm 26 and got a 2:2, when like you based on my previous results was expecting a first. I didn't get on a graduate training scheme and took a job in a call centre in my home town to pay my way. I was promoted to team manager within two months of starting and after a year applied to make an internal transfer into the finance department of another part of the company. Fast forward a couple of jobs and years later and I now work for a major investment bank and probably earn more than their graduate intake in my function do. I reckon out of my course at uni I was probably in the bottom 5% in terms of job at graduation, as most of my class did make it onto graduate schemes. Now I would say I'm in the top 5%. That sounds bigheaded, but I'm just trying to point out it that isn't the end of the world, if you get a 2:2.
Oh I got C in my English Language GCSE. It means I'm no good at creative writing! I recently took a test with an exam board for script markers, to ensure my English was good enough. Being a graduate was a prerequisite to be invited to take the test. Apparently I'm the only person who scored 100%. There were 40 questions and the previous highest score was 36. I really struggled to see how people could get four questions wrong. I didn't dare ask what the pass mark was, but it adds weight in my mind to the media reports of employers complaining that they can't find literate graduates!
I am a final year student (finished exams), and have been applying for jobs etc.
My biggest question is, would a 2.1 in an MSC override a 2.2 at BSC? I've had inteview training by someone who graduated a year or two ago and he said that employers would love the "self improvement" angle, so if I said I got a 2.2 and then worked hard to get a merit or distinction at MSC level, this would show some determination. I do have IT experience too (made various systems for clients - websites, ecommerce apps, that sort of thing). I could have a 2.2 in a BSC, but a merit or even distinction in an MSC, but I'd still be at a disadvantage against someone with a first at bsc AND MSC (or no 2.2), right? Also, don't MSCs tend to go over the same stuff but just in more detail?
My biggest question is, would a 2.1 in an MSC override a 2.2 at BSC? I've had inteview training by someone who graduated a year or two ago and he said that employers would love the "self improvement" angle, so if I said I got a 2.2 and then worked hard to get a merit or distinction at MSC level, this would show some determination. I do have IT experience too (made various systems for clients - websites, ecommerce apps, that sort of thing). I could have a 2.2 in a BSC, but a merit or even distinction in an MSC, but I'd still be at a disadvantage against someone with a first at bsc AND MSC (or no 2.2), right? Also, don't MSCs tend to go over the same stuff but just in more detail?
Edited by Z064life on Monday 11th June 00:04
Z064life said:
I am a final year student (finished exams), and have been applying for jobs etc.
My biggest question is, would a 2.1 in an MSC override a 2.2 at BSC? I've had inteview training by someone who graduated a year or two ago and he said that employers would love the "self improvement" angle, so if I said I got a 2.2 and then worked hard to get a merit or distinction at MSC level, this would show some determination. I do have IT experience too (made various systems for clients - websites, ecommerce apps, that sort of thing). I could have a 2.2 in a BSC, but a merit or even distinction in an MSC, but I'd still be at a disadvantage against someone with a first at bsc AND MSC (or no 2.2), right? Also, don't MSCs tend to go over the same stuff but just in more detail?
Hi mate from what i understande the 1st 2.1 2.2 3rd etc are only applicible to Honours degrees and not post graduate courses. I am in completing a MSc and the only grades are Pass or distinction.My biggest question is, would a 2.1 in an MSC override a 2.2 at BSC? I've had inteview training by someone who graduated a year or two ago and he said that employers would love the "self improvement" angle, so if I said I got a 2.2 and then worked hard to get a merit or distinction at MSC level, this would show some determination. I do have IT experience too (made various systems for clients - websites, ecommerce apps, that sort of thing). I could have a 2.2 in a BSC, but a merit or even distinction in an MSC, but I'd still be at a disadvantage against someone with a first at bsc AND MSC (or no 2.2), right? Also, don't MSCs tend to go over the same stuff but just in more detail?
Edited by Z064life on Monday 11th June 00:04
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