4-2-2 MOT Testing ????????????????
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Im not sure of all the details so if anything is incorrect then please let me know.
As an MOT tester ive been hearing a lot about the proposed change to 4-2-2 MOT testing (first one after 4 yrs then every 2 after) it a scary thought but apparently its so we fit in with europe?
I see cars every day in unroadwothey conditions that passed their mot last year without a problem and its scary that they can even consider this change in my opinion.
Thought i would put this on here to gauge other peoples opinion as after all im only a time served mechanic and MOT tester, what would i know compared to Tony Blair!!!!!
Just one last bit, something that raised an eyebrow is that with the 4-2-2 ruling it would also bring a change of the pricing structure so that VAT would be charged on an mot. So is this just a sneaky way of getting more money out of the motorist with no regard to road safety?
As an MOT tester ive been hearing a lot about the proposed change to 4-2-2 MOT testing (first one after 4 yrs then every 2 after) it a scary thought but apparently its so we fit in with europe?
I see cars every day in unroadwothey conditions that passed their mot last year without a problem and its scary that they can even consider this change in my opinion.
Thought i would put this on here to gauge other peoples opinion as after all im only a time served mechanic and MOT tester, what would i know compared to Tony Blair!!!!!
Just one last bit, something that raised an eyebrow is that with the 4-2-2 ruling it would also bring a change of the pricing structure so that VAT would be charged on an mot. So is this just a sneaky way of getting more money out of the motorist with no regard to road safety?
Im actually tempted to say scrap it.Most crotes drive around in cars that have no MOT anyway.The penalty for them is loss of car,but as replacement cars are almost as cheap as getting a car through an MOT (with repairs)Its not worth them doing it
Most decent people have there car serviced every year,the garage should be responsible for ensuring the car is fit for another year.The current MOT is just a test that has to be passed on the day
For me its major overhaul of the MOT and penalties or scrap it totally
Most decent people have there car serviced every year,the garage should be responsible for ensuring the car is fit for another year.The current MOT is just a test that has to be passed on the day
For me its major overhaul of the MOT and penalties or scrap it totally
The trouble is not people who have their car serviced when they should, and no matter what system we use there will always be ways round it and people who just ignore it. Its the people who know nothing about the cars they drive dont have them serviced and use the attitude ill drive it till it stops!
How would you feel if someone you knew was killed or hurt by a car that hasnt seen the inside of a garage for up to 4 years?
With extended service intervals on cars now and mileages getting higher all the time (ie first test on a BMW 530 yesterday 126000 on the clock!) without the MOT test we would see more deaths and injurys on our roads. A lot of people are surprised when their car fails an MOT because they are unaware of the fault, i know it has its pitfalls as a system but at least in genral it does work.
Ask any tester or mechanic every day you see something on a car that if left could kill someone and im not scare mongering its fact.
I do a lot of fleet vehicles at my station and you would be amazed how many come in with bald tyres faulty brakes etc and these people dont even have to pay for repairs to their vehicles, its just a i dont care attitude and without the MOT what would we do to stop people like that?
How would you feel if someone you knew was killed or hurt by a car that hasnt seen the inside of a garage for up to 4 years?
With extended service intervals on cars now and mileages getting higher all the time (ie first test on a BMW 530 yesterday 126000 on the clock!) without the MOT test we would see more deaths and injurys on our roads. A lot of people are surprised when their car fails an MOT because they are unaware of the fault, i know it has its pitfalls as a system but at least in genral it does work.
Ask any tester or mechanic every day you see something on a car that if left could kill someone and im not scare mongering its fact.
I do a lot of fleet vehicles at my station and you would be amazed how many come in with bald tyres faulty brakes etc and these people dont even have to pay for repairs to their vehicles, its just a i dont care attitude and without the MOT what would we do to stop people like that?
My very good friend who still works in the trade had a 40000 mile Clio in for it first MOT recently. Never been seviced! oil like sludge, 4 bald tyres and worn brakes. The owner could not understand this as it was "only 3 years old"
It only take one muppet with zero mechanical understanding to cause an accedent. Imagine if that car had been on the road for a further year without maintenance.
It only take one muppet with zero mechanical understanding to cause an accedent. Imagine if that car had been on the road for a further year without maintenance.
The MOT should be tightened up not put back.
Whats so wrong with telling the rest of Europe to come up to OUR standards instead?
Its true too that too many people are indifferent to the condition of their cars. Delaying MOT would put more dangerous cars onto the roads.
But then...its SPEED that kills isnt it?
Whats so wrong with telling the rest of Europe to come up to OUR standards instead?
Its true too that too many people are indifferent to the condition of their cars. Delaying MOT would put more dangerous cars onto the roads.
But then...its SPEED that kills isnt it?
It's the same with everything, we lower our standards to come in line with the rest of Europe. Same thing has happened with electrical wiring (I'm an electrician). If anything the MOT should be tightened up, there are far to many deathtraps on the road as it is, although to be honest a lot of them probably don't get taken to a MOT test anyway or have tax or insurance, so it probably won't make a great deal of difference.
This is from a forum I'm a member of, it beggars believe and makes me mad.
http://www.pwcforums.co.uk/wiz//forum_posts.asp?TI...
http://www.pwcforums.co.uk/wiz//forum_posts.asp?TI...
I checked over a '05 plate Toyota Yaris yesterday with 11,000 miles on the clock, the tracking has been out & the inside of both front tyres were completely bald, one just showing the cords - the car is just 2 years old & the tyres looked fine from standing & looking in normal road use, the owner was very surprised! - need I say more ......................
As far as cars on the road with no tax insurance or MOT with the new computerised systems police can very quickly check if a car is road legal or not (takes 30 secounds im told?) trouble is with speed cameras around theres a lot less police!
Im all for reducing the amount of deaths and injurys on the road but think that if we have to have these cameras then they should also scan the cars for no MOT, tax or insurance although i know that this will not stop all of the wasters that drive on our roads like this but it would reduce it.
Or failing that put the police back on the roads and throw all the cameras away!
Im all for reducing the amount of deaths and injurys on the road but think that if we have to have these cameras then they should also scan the cars for no MOT, tax or insurance although i know that this will not stop all of the wasters that drive on our roads like this but it would reduce it.
Or failing that put the police back on the roads and throw all the cameras away!
neiljohnson said:
if we have to have these cameras then they should also scan the cars for no MOT, tax or insurance although i know that this will not stop all of the wasters that drive on our roads like this but it would reduce it.
It wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference if the registered keeper's not up to date. Besides, they'd only take the car off the person!Putting the police back on the roads - now that's a good idea.
As for these 4 - 2 - 2 year MOT's, it's not exactly a good idea on the face of it. As has been rightly pointed out, some people just run a car until it breaks (no checking of anything) and rely on an MOT to give it a fit bill of health.
I'm sure they'll make the tests more stringent, and the costs will inevitably rise. Consider the Japanese MOT (or Shaken) which I understand costs in the region of £1,000 for the test every two years (once a car's three years old). Can you see the average lad paying that kind of money to get his Corsa MOT'd every couple of years??
The flipside to tougher MOTs is that there is also more opportunity for unscrupulous garages to rip off the mechanically ignorant. Two years does seem a stupid idea, but as has been said already, even the current system is no guarantee of being road legal. The best thing really is more Police to carry out spot checks, but then again it's only legally registered speeding cars that are dangerous, isn't it?
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yeh lets leave these cars on the road for another year killing more people costing everybody more, people do hate taking there cars in for a mot but, u are often advised ie front pads low even though it passed u know they need doing soon saving u money changing the discs when they totally wear out, often with these new cars can go up to 24000 miles between a service, they will be unchecked possibly for a full 2 years as most people dont even know how to open the bonnet lol, now this is very dangerous, would ur mum check the inside of her tyres to see if there showing cords and on the next motorway journey having a blow out possable fatal for anyone involved, this is a joke, yes there may be small majority of mot testers who are crap but most do take there job seriously, and for people to say cars just need a reg service, at my garage they get the trainess to do the servicing, but luckly the car is moted first as of done after they always fail lol , 2 checks are better then 1.
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[/URL]yeh lets leave these cars on the road for another year killing more people costing everybody more, people do hate taking there cars in for a mot but, u are often advised ie front pads low even though it passed u know they need doing soon saving u money changing the discs when they totally wear out, often with these new cars can go up to 24000 miles between a service, they will be unchecked possibly for a full 2 years as most people dont even know how to open the bonnet lol, now this is very dangerous, would ur mum check the inside of her tyres to see if there showing cords and on the next motorway journey having a blow out possable fatal for anyone involved, this is a joke, yes there may be small majority of mot testers who are crap but most do take there job seriously, and for people to say cars just need a reg service, at my garage they get the trainess to do the servicing, but luckly the car is moted first as of done after they always fail lol , 2 checks are better then 1.
Read an article today that suggests the goverment are going to back done on the 4-2-2 testing idea but not the reshuffle on the pricing structure (ie VAT will be applied). We can only wait and see what happens bering in mind that if they do go ahead it will shut a lot of MOT stations down as in theroy there will be a year with virtually no MOT tests (all cars had 2 yearly test 4 year old ones only ones to do) would make it intresting trying to get a MOT after that!
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