No traction control in '08, who wins?
No traction control in '08, who wins?
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loneranger

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876 posts

236 months

Friday 15th June 2007
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Other than the fans.

I reckon it will suit:
1) The guys who have just graduated from GP2 because they are used to racing without it.
2) The guys who are super smooth so don't lean on the TC too much.
3) The greats like Kimi and Alonso who have the innate skill whatever they drive.

Who will suffer:
1) The hack merchants who brake, turn in, then give it maximum welly knowing that the TC will sort it out.
2) People who have been in F1 a long time and who have forgotten how to drive fast without it.
3) People who are both 1) and 2)

So which drivers win and which lose?

sstein

6,249 posts

283 months

Friday 15th June 2007
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hmmm

Maybe Ralf will actually turn out to be not useless........

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Stuart

deevlash

10,442 posts

266 months

Friday 15th June 2007
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It should suit Button and DC, alonso could be in trouble though, his style is fairly abrupt with a sharp turn in. That said so was Sennas and it didnt hamper him too much. I think that Liuzzi will be a revelation without the TC assuming he manages to keep a race seat for next year. His domination of f300 made hamiltons gp2 win look like a tight squeeze.

TheOriginalGT40

334 posts

233 months

Friday 15th June 2007
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deevlash said:
It should suit Button and DC, alonso could be in trouble though, his style is fairly abrupt with a sharp turn in. That said so was Sennas and it didnt hamper him too much. I think that Liuzzi will be a revelation without the TC assuming he manages to keep a race seat for next year. His domination of f300 made hamiltons gp2 win look like a tight squeeze.
I agree with Button. Brundle has always noted how smooth he is in the car, having to use very little steering input to keep the car under control. If Honda pull their finger out Button could be a big surprise next year...

MrKipling43

5,788 posts

245 months

Friday 15th June 2007
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sstein said:
hmmm

Maybe Ralf will actually turn out to be not useless........

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Stuart
And maybe a flying pig will take the driver's championship! laugh

Button should do well if Honda don't build a total dog next year.

And yes, GP2 boys should do well too.

entropy

6,441 posts

232 months

Saturday 16th June 2007
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TheOriginalGT40 said:
deevlash said:
It should suit Button and DC, alonso could be in trouble though, his style is fairly abrupt with a sharp turn in. That said so was Sennas and it didnt hamper him too much. I think that Liuzzi will be a revelation without the TC assuming he manages to keep a race seat for next year. His domination of f300 made hamiltons gp2 win look like a tight squeeze.
I agree with Button. Brundle has always noted how smooth he is in the car, having to use very little steering input to keep the car under control. If Honda pull their finger out Button could be a big surprise next year...
It does annoy me when people say "such and such will suit Button's smoothness" just because Martin Brundle is astounded by Button's silky smoothness - are generally just making any excuse for Button's plight.

Driving style is a means to an end.

You're either good or bad at driving the car on the limit.

You only have to look back in 1988/89 when you had the smoothness of Prost vs the aggression of Senna.

Then again, Prost was absolutely hopeless in the wet where smoothness is considered an advantage.

It's been argued the reason Schumi made the best of TC and yet if you payed attention to recent wet races and the on-screen telemetry then you would've noticed the smoothness of his throttle application.

Regardless of the regulations the cream of the crop will always rise to the top.

skinny

5,269 posts

264 months

Saturday 16th June 2007
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yeah i agree with the last - the best drivers will stay at the top, maybe take a few tests and races to adjust but get right back up there. so GP2's and inexperienced might get an initial jump but not much. i don't think any have no ability beyond mashing the pedal. well maybe ralphy...

FesterNath

652 posts

265 months

Saturday 16th June 2007
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Niki Lauda took a Jag F1 car for a drive a few years ago. As I recall he couldn't manage a lap without spinning. And that was with TC on. Personally, I think many people underestimate how difficult F1 cars actually are to drive.