Audi s4 anygood?
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Want to know from any current or previous owners how they find the s4, i live in Ireland and there are no s4's for sale over here so before i take the trip accross the water i would just like to know how the car performs? Having sold my R33 2.5 turbo skyline was just wondering how it would do up against a skyline, what kind of miles to the gallon do you get and are they expensive to service? Having just hit the big 30 i want something classy but something with abit of grunt too!! All replys much appreciated
Awesome.
I would say you'll be very impressed by the power and quality of the car having come from the Skyline.
I must stress that a standard tune S4 Bi-turbo is not even scraping the surface of what the engine can produce, and spending £500 on a remap, and £2000 on a Miltek exhaust and cats would get you a stonkingly quick car for possibly £8 - 10,000 GBP all in!
Mine was only mildly beated upon, but would keep up with an M5 from 100 - 150 mph!
I would say you'll be very impressed by the power and quality of the car having come from the Skyline.
I must stress that a standard tune S4 Bi-turbo is not even scraping the surface of what the engine can produce, and spending £500 on a remap, and £2000 on a Miltek exhaust and cats would get you a stonkingly quick car for possibly £8 - 10,000 GBP all in!
Mine was only mildly beated upon, but would keep up with an M5 from 100 - 150 mph!
GSCollie said:
murf138, the 2.7 T will probably cost more to run than the 4.2 V8 in turbos and cam belts alone. The V8's are chain driven and bombproof on reliability, shop around for some decent B6 bargains at the moment.
Yep but they are slow and with the money you save buying a b5 over a b6 you can pay for all the other parts to make it 500+ bhp..Edited by GSCollie on Thursday 28th June 17:29
grizz said:
GSCollie said:
murf138, the 2.7 T will probably cost more to run than the 4.2 V8 in turbos and cam belts alone. The V8's are chain driven and bombproof on reliability, shop around for some decent B6 bargains at the moment.
Yep but they are slow and with the money you save buying a b5 over a b6 you can pay for all the other parts to make it 500+ bhp..Edited by GSCollie on Thursday 28th June 17:29
The B6 for reliability, and lack of drama.
But the B5 with some tuning still makes me want to have it back. The newer cars don't have anywhere near the character of that engine.
I sold me B5 for £11600.
I bought my B6 for £16000.
But with £4500 spent on it my B5 would have been sheer lunacy!!
Depends what you're keen on, and whether you want to get "involved" with some of the oily parts of your car every now and then!
I'd rather remap, sports cat and Lysholm supercharger a V8 S4 than run the number of blown turbos and cam belts changes needed on a B5, but as with all these forums, each to their own. The handling dynamics on the B6 certainly eclipses the B5 unless you are talking about an RS4.
Edited by GSCollie on Friday 29th June 08:13
Again, I do agree.
What I was driving at was that my B5 would absolutely EAT my newer B6 in a straight line, and I'm fairly certain that handling wise it would also have been better, with the adjustable Eibach Prostreet S kit I had in, and the quattro GMBH anti-roll bars.
As standard the B6 handling is way better.
Have you looked into pricing for the supercharger kit you talked about?
I'd be keen to know how much you think it can be done for, particularly if I can have one of my own techs fit it!
I'd been looking at the MTM kit, but at nearly £12,000 GBO fitted, it's out of my current reach!!
That being said and getting back to your comment, cam belt on B5 every 75000 isn't too often, and never had a blown turbo once.
I did once have a burst intercooler though...
What I was driving at was that my B5 would absolutely EAT my newer B6 in a straight line, and I'm fairly certain that handling wise it would also have been better, with the adjustable Eibach Prostreet S kit I had in, and the quattro GMBH anti-roll bars.
As standard the B6 handling is way better.
Have you looked into pricing for the supercharger kit you talked about?
I'd be keen to know how much you think it can be done for, particularly if I can have one of my own techs fit it!
I'd been looking at the MTM kit, but at nearly £12,000 GBO fitted, it's out of my current reach!!
That being said and getting back to your comment, cam belt on B5 every 75000 isn't too often, and never had a blown turbo once.
I did once have a burst intercooler though...
Edited by drybeer on Thursday 28th June 23:12
Edited by drybeer on Thursday 28th June 23:13
That's the point though isn't it? My B5 will eat a B6....only because you have modified it.
Fit an Eibach pro kit, full s/s exhaust with cat bypass or sports cats, remodelled headers, custom manifolds, injectors and a supercharger my B6 would eat your modified B5 and probably an MTM B7 RS4. And up to the supercharger it will cost me about £3-4K.
It will always be an uneven playing field if you start trying to use the cost difference in modifying. But that's why everyone has individual tastes. And believe me, I did originally look at a B5 S4 and RS4 before buying the B6. The B5 S4 didn't do anything for me, bit turbo whoosh like I had in my S3 and that was it and I wanted to get away from that. The RS4 was an absolute animal and I loved it, but as a day to day car with its soft alloys, cambelts and turbos I was put off by higher servicing costs.
The B6 gives you a hooligan of a car but everyday practicality and manners which are improved over a 'standard' B5 S4. Plus the noise it makes, a V8 is better than any four post anyday.
Fit an Eibach pro kit, full s/s exhaust with cat bypass or sports cats, remodelled headers, custom manifolds, injectors and a supercharger my B6 would eat your modified B5 and probably an MTM B7 RS4. And up to the supercharger it will cost me about £3-4K.
It will always be an uneven playing field if you start trying to use the cost difference in modifying. But that's why everyone has individual tastes. And believe me, I did originally look at a B5 S4 and RS4 before buying the B6. The B5 S4 didn't do anything for me, bit turbo whoosh like I had in my S3 and that was it and I wanted to get away from that. The RS4 was an absolute animal and I loved it, but as a day to day car with its soft alloys, cambelts and turbos I was put off by higher servicing costs.
The B6 gives you a hooligan of a car but everyday practicality and manners which are improved over a 'standard' B5 S4. Plus the noise it makes, a V8 is better than any four post anyday.
drybeer, regarding superchargers, I know MTM or QST / Kim Collins charge £12K but you cold get a Lysholm supercharger that could adapt an S4 to 400 or 500 bhp for about £4-5k for the kit plus fitting. I had a garage local to me quote about £2K for fitting, but they recommended getting the headers and custom manifold done first.
GSCollie said:
drybeer, regarding superchargers, I know MTM or QST / Kim Collins charge £12K but you cold get a Lysholm supercharger that could adapt an S4 to 400 or 500 bhp for about £4-5k for the kit plus fitting. I had a garage local to me quote about £2K for fitting, but they recommended getting the headers and custom manifold done first.
Interesting...Any parts kit or supplier to look at?
Got your link to the wheel photos. Nice.
Still swithering over the type to go for.
DavidT, my understanding is that the MTM / QST kit is essentially a Lysholm supercharger and the work needed to adapt the engine to use it. Just that with MTM you get their 12 month warranty on the car. Aside that there is no difference. If you can find someon who has supercharger V8's before invariably they will be cheaper than MTM, the only recognised tuner for Audi... and they know it.
If you had the opportunity to look at AMD's website when it was around they were also cheaper then MTM / QST for the same package.
If you had the opportunity to look at AMD's website when it was around they were also cheaper then MTM / QST for the same package.
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