Ducati are allowed 1200cc in WSB

[ninjaboy]

Just heard this on Eurosport, i'm gutted to hear this as i'm sure it will spoil the racing and give ducati an unfair advantage. Its not like they are having their arses kicked is it. Well done Ducati you have admitted you don't like having a little compatition and you need rules bending your way to keep winning.

[F.M]

Just proves to me how the organisers pander to Ducati`s needs...could they afford to lose them if they got all arsey...? I`d have thought so...but perhaps they don`t...

Edited by F.M on Saturday 16th June 21:22

[ninjaboy]

F.M said:

Just proves to me how the organisers pander to Ducati`s needs...could they afford to lose them if they got all arsey...? I`d have thought so...but perhaps they don`t...

Edited by F.M on Saturday 16th June 21:22

Its heading the same as F1 and ferrari i can't see the other teams standing for this at all. as it is now things are pretty even imo

[anonymous-user]

ninjaboy said:

i'm gutted to hear this as i'm sure it will spoil the racing and give ducati an unfair advantage.

Unfair, what makes you think that?

[ninjaboy]

JS99 said:

ninjaboy said:

i'm gutted to hear this as i'm sure it will spoil the racing and give ducati an unfair advantage.

Unfair, what makes you think that?

Do you think its fair to allow Ducati an extra 200cc? Ducati seem to be on a level playing field with all bikes 1000cc. The rules have been changed because they complained there are 5 Manufacturers in the championship why change the rules for one?

[anonymous-user]

ninjaboy said:

JS99 said:

ninjaboy said:

i'm gutted to hear this as i'm sure it will spoil the racing and give ducati an unfair advantage.

Unfair, what makes you think that?

Do you think its fair to allow Ducati an extra 200cc? Ducati seem to be on a level playing field with all bikes 1000cc. The rules have been changed because they complained there are 5 Manufacturers in the championship why change the rules for one?

Completely fair IMO & no i've never owned a Ducati

You say extra 200cc, but they are missing 2 cylinders! If you look at the power output of a stock 1098 - 140bhp v 165bhp for a stock 4 cyl... there is no way that an extra 100cc will bridge that gap, i reckon the 1200 will have 155bhp max. so if you apply equal tuning regs to both, the 1000cc 4cylinder bikes still come out on top power wise. Also the twins will have air restrictors fitted & run standard con-rods, which the 4's can change.

The 999 might be competative (with Troy onboard) but they're allowed to tune it much higher, which is what this is all about - Cost, Ducati want to reduce their racing costs by running equal tuning to the 4's.. This
all seems fair enough IMO.


Edit: forgot to mention, If Ducati have had such an advantage over the past few years, why are Ten Kate running the Fireblade & not the SP2? And if other manufactures beleive Ducati to have an 'unfair' advantage, there is nothing stopping them building a twin.

Edited by JS99 on Saturday 16th June 23:52

[F.M]

I agree cost for the ducati`s is much higher than for the others...I just hope it does not affect the racing too much...perhaps airbox mods to the twins if they suddenly start cleaning up again....

[rsv gone!]

JS99 said:

ninjaboy said:

JS99 said:

ninjaboy said:

i'm gutted to hear this as i'm sure it will spoil the racing and give ducati an unfair advantage.

Unfair, what makes you think that?

Do you think its fair to allow Ducati an extra 200cc? Ducati seem to be on a level playing field with all bikes 1000cc. The rules have been changed because they complained there are 5 Manufacturers in the championship why change the rules for one?

Completely fair IMO & no i've never owned a Ducati

You say extra 200cc, but they are missing 2 cylinders! If you look at the power output of a stock 1098 - 140bhp v 165bhp for a stock 4 cyl... there is no way that an extra 100cc will bridge that gap

Which, of course, was the reason that the fours were restricted to 750cc for years in WSB. The Ducatis didn't exactly struggle against them.

[slim_boy_fat]

At the end of the day superbikes would not be what they are today if it wasnt for Ducati, same as F1 and Ferrari. Other teams may not like it but both would be poorer if either were not racing.

This is a way of allowing Ducati to get additional power with reduced development and running costs, not to allow Ducati to get a distinct power advantage. And the organisers have stated that they will monitor and make alterations if things get too one sided.

Hey this might even tempt honda to develop the SP2 into the SP3 and Aprillia to bring out a 1200 and KTM to get invlolved, how could that be a bad thing?

[anonymous-user]

The 750 4's won many races & a few champoinships against 1000cc twins. Nori Haga almost took the title in 2000 on the R7 against Colin Edwards on the SP1, what most likely cost him the title was the drugs ban & IMO Edwards is the better sbk rider, so this suggests that the 750 fours were a fair match for the 1000 twins... now they'll only have an extra 200cc + The larger you go up in piston size, Tuning becomes less effective. e.g. 250cc extra on a 750 would give a bigger power increase on a twin than 250cc extra on a 1000 twin.

IMO the new rules will favour the 4's.

Edited by JS99 on Sunday 17th June 09:09

[ninjaboy]

JS99 said:

The 750 4's won many races & a few champoinships against 1000cc twins. Nori Haga almost took the title in 2000 on the R7 against Colin Edwards on the SP1, what most likely cost him the title was the drugs ban & IMO Edwards is the better sbk rider, so this suggests that the 750 fours were a fair match for the 1000 twins... now they'll only have an extra 200cc + The larger you go up in piston size, Tuning becomes less effective. e.g. 250cc extra on a 750 would give a bigger power increase on a twin than 250cc extra on a 1000 twin.

IMO the new rules will favour the 4's.

Edited by JS99 on Sunday 17th June 09:09

I can't see how the rules will favor the 4's. They were allowed to use 1000cc because things were getting too one sided, the ducati's cc advantage gave a huge torque advantage. The extra 200cc will but things in exactly the smae position again. Even with air restrictors the ducati will have an advantage. Have the 4 cylinder manufactures respoded?