965/Testarossa/456 - As a "Keeper"
Discussion
Yes this is the Porker board, but as petrolheads I'm sure many of you have wrestled with the idea of the "£35K keeper."
These three all have much to commend them - 964 turbo is a classic, practical, rear seats for kids, built to be used, its racing heritage shines through.
Testarossa - great value at the moment, two seats only, potentially horrific maintenance costs, huge feel good factor even if it's nowhere near as fast point-to-point as it looks!
456 - gorgeous, gorgeous & did I make it clear...gor...
Has rear seats, 12-pack, but maintenance costs & not as sporting a drive as a lovely lightweight 964 turbo.
We're talking about a keeper, not something to have a fling with, more a member of the family, an heirloom if you will!
Your thoughts would be appreciated, especially so if you have owned any of these beauties!
These three all have much to commend them - 964 turbo is a classic, practical, rear seats for kids, built to be used, its racing heritage shines through.
Testarossa - great value at the moment, two seats only, potentially horrific maintenance costs, huge feel good factor even if it's nowhere near as fast point-to-point as it looks!
456 - gorgeous, gorgeous & did I make it clear...gor...
Has rear seats, 12-pack, but maintenance costs & not as sporting a drive as a lovely lightweight 964 turbo.
We're talking about a keeper, not something to have a fling with, more a member of the family, an heirloom if you will!
Your thoughts would be appreciated, especially so if you have owned any of these beauties!
Penguin - I had this terrible dilemma ealier this year and wanted a Porsche and a Ferrari. I went for an earlier '86 Testarossa and then a nice '94 968 Club Sport. Total cost a smidgen over your £35k budget for both.
So far the TR has cost me a few quid for cambelts and sports exhaust but just been to Le Mans and back in it and between you and me it aint slow
No doubt they'll be big bills but a well maintained car should be reliable. Just don't expect 911 build quality - its a 1980's Fiat!!!
The Club Sport was my back up plan and that is even better than I expected.
Both are my 'keepers'. Just need to use them as much as possible as I'm not into garage queens
So far the TR has cost me a few quid for cambelts and sports exhaust but just been to Le Mans and back in it and between you and me it aint slow
No doubt they'll be big bills but a well maintained car should be reliable. Just don't expect 911 build quality - its a 1980's Fiat!!!
The Club Sport was my back up plan and that is even better than I expected.
Both are my 'keepers'. Just need to use them as much as possible as I'm not into garage queens
Of the cars you mention, the only one (IMO) that you shouldn't think of is the 456. It was a great car, but as a keeper (and investment), will not hold up nearly as well (value wise) as a Testarossa or 965.
As it's not my money, I think I'd pay a little more, and stretch to a 512M - better car in all respects apparently.
If it we're my money, then maybe I'd be swayed more towards to Porsche, but probably always regret never having taken the change to own one of the most iconic/outrageous cars to come out of the 80's.....
As it's not my money, I think I'd pay a little more, and stretch to a 512M - better car in all respects apparently.
If it we're my money, then maybe I'd be swayed more towards to Porsche, but probably always regret never having taken the change to own one of the most iconic/outrageous cars to come out of the 80's.....
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personally i.d get the 964 every time BUT....
355 spider, LHD, £30k...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/114956.htm
355 spider, LHD, £30k...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/114956.htm
Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 20th June 14:30
Theres a gorgeous silver 456 parked outside Garage Sammy in Geneva almost every morning on display on my route into town. It gets parked safely indoors every night. I can't believe that no one has bought it in almost a year... It's one of those cars that you could almost justify as a sculpture even if it didn't have a motor. Never been brave engough to inquire as to how affordable it might be.
The Testarossa is from a bit before my time and I have never really appreciated the look of it. For me it would be a choice between...
http://pistonheads.com/sales/175092.htm
and...
http://pistonheads.com/sales/166681.htm
Both classics. Although very different cars. The Porker defiantely has the rarity card though.
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http://pistonheads.com/sales/175092.htm
and...
http://pistonheads.com/sales/166681.htm
Both classics. Although very different cars. The Porker defiantely has the rarity card though.
800th post!
My 2 pence worth. Personally 550 maranello would be my choice. However have some very good mates that live oop north and they own a testarossa, a 512m and a 964 RS Club Sport. They invited me for a track day at Donnington Park last Sunday for my input and we had a great day.
The 964 RS outshone the Ferrari's for handling and brakes. You can thrash them all day long and they just do their stuff. (modded and dynoed at 308bhp). The testarossa has had a big brake conversion carried out as the standard brakes are woefull. Lovely car to drive, no where nimble as the RS but great fun. The 512M unfortunately boiled its brake fluid after 20 minutes, but again great car, awesome sound, much quicker than the testarossa and the RS, just a shame it did not have different brake fluid.
512M would defo be the way to go.
The 964 RS outshone the Ferrari's for handling and brakes. You can thrash them all day long and they just do their stuff. (modded and dynoed at 308bhp). The testarossa has had a big brake conversion carried out as the standard brakes are woefull. Lovely car to drive, no where nimble as the RS but great fun. The 512M unfortunately boiled its brake fluid after 20 minutes, but again great car, awesome sound, much quicker than the testarossa and the RS, just a shame it did not have different brake fluid.
512M would defo be the way to go.
jonnydm said:
Buttmonkey Racer said:
You do have one collection of cars!I must agree with the other posters above. A 512TR is the pick of the Testarossa bunch. A 512M is a hooligan but very few made and those for sale are still £50/£60k ish
When I weighed it up, I could get a flat 12 classic Ferrari that inspired me as a teenager, or get a 348 / 328 which although desireable didn't quite have the madness or drama of the Testarossa. Sounds awesome too with a nice exhaust
I second that - Buttmonkey you have an amazing collection (both past & present)& your notes make for fascinating reading.
My heart says Red Head - exotic, beautiful on the road, rare - your first outrageous summer fling!
Head says - 964 turbo - good build quality, suited to the track, more practical but not as rare or exotic - definitely marriage material!
Depreciation-wise - Buttmonkey I think you'll be quids-in with your misstress - just look at 365BB & 512BB values now!
I can foresee "Big Red's" value climbing out of the reach of people who can currently afford them. Sure the 512TR & 512M would be better again but they're beyond my budget for a car.
I agree that 456 values will probably follow most 2+2 'rarris - just look at the 400 & 308GT4.
964 turbo - sensible shoes or Red Head - gold glitter platforms!
Pork would be the logical choice but then you might always regret never having your personal slice of Faz - & who wants to live a life of regrets?
My heart says Red Head - exotic, beautiful on the road, rare - your first outrageous summer fling!
Head says - 964 turbo - good build quality, suited to the track, more practical but not as rare or exotic - definitely marriage material!
Depreciation-wise - Buttmonkey I think you'll be quids-in with your misstress - just look at 365BB & 512BB values now!
I can foresee "Big Red's" value climbing out of the reach of people who can currently afford them. Sure the 512TR & 512M would be better again but they're beyond my budget for a car.
I agree that 456 values will probably follow most 2+2 'rarris - just look at the 400 & 308GT4.
964 turbo - sensible shoes or Red Head - gold glitter platforms!
Pork would be the logical choice but then you might always regret never having your personal slice of Faz - & who wants to live a life of regrets?
Firstly, I'd ofer the opinion that it's pointless to compare a 964RS (and a Clubsport at that) with anything this side of a 360 CS on track.
Secondly, the fact that that 456 has sat unsold for a year sums up these cars - pieces of art, static art that is...'cos they seem to sell at a glacial rate...which tells me something about them. I love 456s to death and came close to buying one when I had some free funds a couple of months ago...(funds are still there but may go into bricks and mortar) but the fact that the car I liked (and still like) has been for sale for aeons (and hasn't sold even now) had me wondering about whether the depreciation curve for these cars has reached rock bottom...and also if I needed to realise the funds, whether I'd ever be able to sell the car, privately...or in the extreme case, to a trader....would the trade even bid for the car?
I can't personally see a 964 Turbo II every being an investment car...the 993 T 4 perhaps, on the grounds that it is the "ultimate" 993 (OK so ignore the RS). Rarity does not necessarily mean that a car appreciates - take a look at the Jensen for example....
...and the Testarossa - what a huge chunk of metal for your money and I like them...but how long have we been saying that these cars must take off in value?...3, 4 years and counting...and they've stayed where they are...and they don't sell very quickly...even the 365/512BB hasn't accelerated away in the distance...and that arguably has more cachet and classic appeal.
So the moral of the story? Buy the car that you really like...that way, if it doesn't appreciate, at least it puts a smile on your face every time you look at it/drive it
Secondly, the fact that that 456 has sat unsold for a year sums up these cars - pieces of art, static art that is...'cos they seem to sell at a glacial rate...which tells me something about them. I love 456s to death and came close to buying one when I had some free funds a couple of months ago...(funds are still there but may go into bricks and mortar) but the fact that the car I liked (and still like) has been for sale for aeons (and hasn't sold even now) had me wondering about whether the depreciation curve for these cars has reached rock bottom...and also if I needed to realise the funds, whether I'd ever be able to sell the car, privately...or in the extreme case, to a trader....would the trade even bid for the car?
I can't personally see a 964 Turbo II every being an investment car...the 993 T 4 perhaps, on the grounds that it is the "ultimate" 993 (OK so ignore the RS). Rarity does not necessarily mean that a car appreciates - take a look at the Jensen for example....
...and the Testarossa - what a huge chunk of metal for your money and I like them...but how long have we been saying that these cars must take off in value?...3, 4 years and counting...and they've stayed where they are...and they don't sell very quickly...even the 365/512BB hasn't accelerated away in the distance...and that arguably has more cachet and classic appeal.
So the moral of the story? Buy the car that you really like...that way, if it doesn't appreciate, at least it puts a smile on your face every time you look at it/drive it
Or how about something completely different:
http://www.racecarsdirect.com/viewlisting.php?view...
Butt ugly but very rare, very distinctive, great fun and likely to be just as good a bet (if not better) as a "keeper" as the far more numerous Testarossas, 911s or (glacial seller but beautiful) 456. Be different!
http://www.racecarsdirect.com/viewlisting.php?view...
Butt ugly but very rare, very distinctive, great fun and likely to be just as good a bet (if not better) as a "keeper" as the far more numerous Testarossas, 911s or (glacial seller but beautiful) 456. Be different!
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