Super cars and mileage
Discussion
Hi guys
Saw another post which sparked this question, I see so many post from prospective buyers who want to purchase a super car but claim to only want to do 3 - 6k miles per year. Infact I was of these buyers not to long ago....
Having had my car for relatively a short time (3 months-ish) and
I have already done 2k miles....Maybe because my ownership has been interupted, but I don't feel like I've got enough use out of it......Now I can actually see myself getting much closer to 12k...
Not too worried about the depreciation factor as I don't think I'll sell the G (even though I saw a LP640 at the dealership recently - which I fell in love with
) but lack of garage space would kill that idea straight away......but I don't know why, I just don't think my G should have "high" mileage it just sounds wrong, even though it'll be pure heaven lol!
So what I wanted to know was those of you who have owned a supercar for longer than me (like everyone!) what age is your car and what mileage does it have.
Mine is an 05 G with 8100 miles on it....
Saw another post which sparked this question, I see so many post from prospective buyers who want to purchase a super car but claim to only want to do 3 - 6k miles per year. Infact I was of these buyers not to long ago....
Having had my car for relatively a short time (3 months-ish) and
I have already done 2k miles....Maybe because my ownership has been interupted, but I don't feel like I've got enough use out of it......Now I can actually see myself getting much closer to 12k...Not too worried about the depreciation factor as I don't think I'll sell the G (even though I saw a LP640 at the dealership recently - which I fell in love with
) but lack of garage space would kill that idea straight away......but I don't know why, I just don't think my G should have "high" mileage it just sounds wrong, even though it'll be pure heaven lol!So what I wanted to know was those of you who have owned a supercar for longer than me (like everyone!) what age is your car and what mileage does it have.
Mine is an 05 G with 8100 miles on it....
Miyagi said:
Hi guys
Saw another post which sparked this question, I see so many post from prospective buyers who want to purchase a super car but claim to only want to do 3 - 6k miles per year. Infact I was of these buyers not to long ago....
Having had my car for relatively a short time (3 months-ish) and I have already done 2k miles....Maybe because my ownership has been interupted, but I don't feel like I've got enough use out of it......Now I can actually see myself getting much closer to 12k...
Not too worried about the depreciation factor as I don't think I'll sell the G (even though I saw a LP640 at the dealership recently - which I fell in love with) but lack of garage space would kill that idea straight away......but I don't know why, I just don't think my G should have "high" mileage it just sounds wrong, even though it'll be pure heaven lol!
So what I wanted to know was those of you who have owned a supercar for longer than me (like everyone!) what age is your car and what mileage does it have.
Mine is an 05 G with 8100 miles on it....
Just sold (tonight) my '03 Murcielago with 26,000km!! Loved every minute of it and miss it like crazy!! Saw another post which sparked this question, I see so many post from prospective buyers who want to purchase a super car but claim to only want to do 3 - 6k miles per year. Infact I was of these buyers not to long ago....
Having had my car for relatively a short time (3 months-ish) and
I have already done 2k miles....Maybe because my ownership has been interupted, but I don't feel like I've got enough use out of it......Now I can actually see myself getting much closer to 12k...Not too worried about the depreciation factor as I don't think I'll sell the G (even though I saw a LP640 at the dealership recently - which I fell in love with
) but lack of garage space would kill that idea straight away......but I don't know why, I just don't think my G should have "high" mileage it just sounds wrong, even though it'll be pure heaven lol!So what I wanted to know was those of you who have owned a supercar for longer than me (like everyone!) what age is your car and what mileage does it have.
Mine is an 05 G with 8100 miles on it....
Do you win anything for the highest mileage G? Just booked my 05 G in for the 37,500 mile service. After having a E clutch fitted at 3K I'm still running on the replacement (e-gear), and no the excitement of driving the car doesn't diminish if you drive it every day. I always think that's just such a dumb question. Everyone that sees my car thinks it’s an 06 MY with a few thousand miles on, it still look showroom new. The Gallardo police car in Italy has now covered 100K, and another one owned by the factory, 75K.
I’ve been very lucky to also meet Christian, the European Lamborghini sales manager, Stefano, the European service manager, and Valentino a few times. My point been, it really feels like you are part of the Lamborghini family if you get involved. Sorry started to go off on one when you where only asking a simple question.
Regards
Simon
I’ve been very lucky to also meet Christian, the European Lamborghini sales manager, Stefano, the European service manager, and Valentino a few times. My point been, it really feels like you are part of the Lamborghini family if you get involved. Sorry started to go off on one when you where only asking a simple question.
Regards
Simon
v-neo said:
Do you win anything for the highest mileage G? Just booked my 05 G in for the 37,500 mile service. After having a E clutch fitted at 3K I'm still running on the replacement (e-gear), and no the excitement of driving the car doesn't diminish if you drive it every day. I always think that's just such a dumb question. Everyone that sees my car thinks it’s an 06 MY with a few thousand miles on, it still look showroom new. The Gallardo police car in Italy has now covered 100K, and another one owned by the factory, 75K.
I’ve been very lucky to also meet Christian, the European Lamborghini sales manager, Stefano, the European service manager, and Valentino a few times. My point been, it really feels like you are part of the Lamborghini family if you get involved. Sorry started to go off on one when you where only asking a simple question.
Regards
Simon
Interesting....100K is impressive....so is 37.5k btw....had any issues?I’ve been very lucky to also meet Christian, the European Lamborghini sales manager, Stefano, the European service manager, and Valentino a few times. My point been, it really feels like you are part of the Lamborghini family if you get involved. Sorry started to go off on one when you where only asking a simple question.
Regards
Simon
When do you think you will replace? if at all....
I've been calling about on a few cars this week, and all the dealers are banging on about my car being high mileage when it's only 4 years old and covered 23,000 miles with 3 PO. I just see it as a tactic to drive the trade-in price down. Cos if it's not mileage it's colour, "Oh yes sir, defo the wrong colour for this season" or it's the options, either too much or not enough! Ya just cannae win, hence why I might just keep mine til next year as there is buggerall wrong with it, I just fancied and egear Murci Coupe/Roadster.
On the topic of resale, I am better off selling privately as any dealer will make my 6months left warranty with the AA null and void, so thinking about an advert in Sunday Times.
Paul, what ya gonna get now?
regards
Paul.
On the topic of resale, I am better off selling privately as any dealer will make my 6months left warranty with the AA null and void, so thinking about an advert in Sunday Times.
Paul, what ya gonna get now?
regards
Paul.
JUST DRIVE THEM 
good stuff,
i've just bought my 03 360 spider.
i've had it two weeks and the mileage has gone from 7.5k to 8.5k. tomorrow i'm off on the first of two furball runs, which assuming all goes well, will double the mileage.
frankly i bought the car to drive, i do have a daily car, but when i want to have fun i wont be thinking i shouldnt put more miles on it, i'll just go out and do it!
i've just bought my 03 360 spider.
i've had it two weeks and the mileage has gone from 7.5k to 8.5k. tomorrow i'm off on the first of two furball runs, which assuming all goes well, will double the mileage.
frankly i bought the car to drive, i do have a daily car, but when i want to have fun i wont be thinking i shouldnt put more miles on it, i'll just go out and do it!
CUE99T said:
I've been calling about on a few cars this week, and all the dealers are banging on about my car being high mileage when it's only 4 years old and covered 23,000 miles with 3 PO. I just see it as a tactic to drive the trade-in price down. Cos if it's not mileage it's colour, "Oh yes sir, defo the wrong colour for this season" or it's the options, either too much or not enough! Ya just cannae win, hence why I might just keep mine til next year as there is buggerall wrong with it, I just fancied and egear Murci Coupe/Roadster.
On the topic of resale, I am better off selling privately as any dealer will make my 6months left warranty with the AA null and void, so thinking about an advert in Sunday Times.
Paul, what ya gonna get now?
regards
Paul.
High mileage?! How....6k x 4 years = 24k miles. On the topic of resale, I am better off selling privately as any dealer will make my 6months left warranty with the AA null and void, so thinking about an advert in Sunday Times.
Paul, what ya gonna get now?
regards
Paul.
Selling a high mileage car, you have to put yourself in the position of the buyer. If you take two identical cars, you with 5,000 the other with 20,000 miles, both are clean and look the same, then at what point does the higher mileage car become an attractive buy? Taking £10K of the high mileage car? Although £10K doesn’t make a big difference to any finance package, it’s another 10 you are risking in depreciation on the low mileage car. But still, I think most people would go for the low mileage car, once the price difference hits £15K then I think you’d have buyers. The other way of looking at this, if you discounted say an 05 G by 10K, you’d be getting close to 04 cars, so does a buyer set on an 04, buy a high mileage 05 at the same price?
Who knows, one factor for the G, is Lamborghini are working on an official extended war. Program, which would help. But high mileage cars, if looked after I think are better than low mileage cars. At least with a car that’s been used, any build issues will have been found and resolved yes?
I find it odd that dealers use mileage to drive down the price. If more people covered 15K a year, then the dealer network would see income from servicing increase, 600+ Gallardo in the UK now, so another 100 services at 1 to £2K a go, equates to another £150,000 in the till – if this was your business wouldn’t you be screaming at owners to use the G every day?
I’m sure it will take time for the old mindset that Lamborghini / Ferrari cannot take high miles, to wear off.
Let the debate begin....
Regards
Simon
Who knows, one factor for the G, is Lamborghini are working on an official extended war. Program, which would help. But high mileage cars, if looked after I think are better than low mileage cars. At least with a car that’s been used, any build issues will have been found and resolved yes?
I find it odd that dealers use mileage to drive down the price. If more people covered 15K a year, then the dealer network would see income from servicing increase, 600+ Gallardo in the UK now, so another 100 services at 1 to £2K a go, equates to another £150,000 in the till – if this was your business wouldn’t you be screaming at owners to use the G every day?
I’m sure it will take time for the old mindset that Lamborghini / Ferrari cannot take high miles, to wear off.
Let the debate begin....
Regards
Simon
jonny5 said:
Have you asked Clive Sutton to SOR it ?
No mate, I think I'm better off trying to go private for a while yet.But I have thought about that route and will maybe make the call at some point.
The danger is that the dealer by law needs to cover anything for the first 3 months so according to a motor trade guy I spoke to yesterday who's a friend in the trade down south alot of dealers are just pure scared of the Murci as costs can be silly for it "IF" something goes wrong.
Me, I'm just using it as much as I get the time for.
Thanks for the idea tho.
A friend of mine (no actually it's not me 
) met someone who alters mileage in cars, sometimes for genuine reasons, but mostly for 'no questions asked'.
He was told that most of his work involves very nice cars and the sort of people you would never imagine doing it and that he did a lot of Exotica, especially Ferraris. Apparently there are more than a few people out there who will do 8,000 miles in their exotic over the course of the year and then when it's time to take it in for the annual service will have the mileage dropped so it only shows 1-2,000 miles that year. That way when they sell after a few years, instead of being hammered for having a 40,000 mile Ferrari, they are selling a mint 9,000 miler.
Personally I think this is disgraceful and these people should not be able to operate, but it proves you never know what you are buying unless you buy it new even if it's from a main dealer.
) met someone who alters mileage in cars, sometimes for genuine reasons, but mostly for 'no questions asked'.He was told that most of his work involves very nice cars and the sort of people you would never imagine doing it and that he did a lot of Exotica, especially Ferraris. Apparently there are more than a few people out there who will do 8,000 miles in their exotic over the course of the year and then when it's time to take it in for the annual service will have the mileage dropped so it only shows 1-2,000 miles that year. That way when they sell after a few years, instead of being hammered for having a 40,000 mile Ferrari, they are selling a mint 9,000 miler.
Personally I think this is disgraceful and these people should not be able to operate, but it proves you never know what you are buying unless you buy it new even if it's from a main dealer.
Edited by Guyr on Thursday 21st June 13:48
This mileage business really winds me up. How is it you can buy a 911 run it how its intended and put serious miles on it, but sell it for a decent amount 3 years later. The trade lives in the blo*dy past. Lambo's and Ferrari's are far more reliable than even 10 years ago but still dealers turn up their noses at anything Italian with more than 20,000 on. Of course people will argue with that and say the cars from Stuttgart are less fragile, and as I've said a few years ago they would have been right. But I reckon any Porsche whatever would have had the same if not more issues than my Murcie has had in 50,000 miles, and especially since all the hard track use its had. Lambo Andy's had a few with blown engines with less use on the track than mine. The trade need to get themselves in the 21st century, and Lamborghini need to get themselves a proper warranty programme on board, otherwise this stupid situation will never change
Simonspider said:
This mileage business really winds me up. How is it you can buy a 911 run it how its intended and put serious miles on it, but sell it for a decent amount 3 years later. The trade lives in the blo*dy past. Lambo's and Ferrari's are far more reliable than even 10 years ago but still dealers turn up their noses at anything Italian with more than 20,000 on. Of course people will argue with that and say the cars from Stuttgart are less fragile, and as I've said a few years ago they would have been right. But I reckon any Porsche whatever would have had the same if not more issues than my Murcie has had in 50,000 miles, and especially since all the hard track use its had. Lambo Andy's had a few with blown engines with less use on the track than mine. The trade need to get themselves in the 21st century, and Lamborghini need to get themselves a proper warranty programme on board, otherwise this stupid situation will never change
Extremely well said, if I may say so. I have done 15,000 miles in 2 years in my Gallardo and 4,500 in my six month old CGT, and will continue to use the cars without concern about the mileage accumulating. However, it is frustrating for there is no official extended warranty - I think that would shift the market quite significantly for older and higher mileage cars if one became available. I mention the CGT because of course Porsche still have not offered (and do not appear to be planning to) any extended warranty on this car (and it was only 2 years in the first place (4 years (most inequitably) in the US)).As for reliability, I have been very pleased with the Gallardo, although on a sample of one (not exactly statistically significant I realise!), it has been more fragile than my 36,000 mile, heavily tracked GT3. Still love it though.
Kind regards
Steve
stefan1 said:
Extremely well said, if I may say so. I have done 15,000 miles in 2 years in my Gallardo and 4,500 in my six month old CGT, and will continue to use the cars without concern about the mileage accumulating. However, it is frustrating for there is no official extended warranty - I think that would shift the market quite significantly for older and higher mileage cars if one became available. I mention the CGT because of course Porsche still have not offered (and do not appear to be planning to) any extended warranty on this car (and it was only 2 years in the first place (4 years (most inequitably) in the US)).
As for reliability, I have been very pleased with the Gallardo, although on a sample of one (not exactly statistically significant I realise!), it has been more fragile than my 36,000 mile, heavily tracked GT3. Still love it though.
Kind regards
Steve
Thats must be one of the best used UK CGTs As for reliability, I have been very pleased with the Gallardo, although on a sample of one (not exactly statistically significant I realise!), it has been more fragile than my 36,000 mile, heavily tracked GT3. Still love it though.
Kind regards
Steve
BTW have you noticed that there is now a black CGT in our village?
The whole mileage thing has seriously put me of running another Ferrari (or similar) - I was hammered on re-sale when I came to shift on my 62,000 328 as a) nobody wanted to touch a 328 with more than 30,000 miles (for a 20yo car!!!) and b) even when asking for bottom-dollar, everyone expected a concours car.
I agree with the comment on clocking, from 550/360 era onwards Ferrari sightings on the road are relatively common and its not because supply has boomed, but because these cars are being used pretty heavily nowadays, but somehow they are all low mileage when it comes to resale...
I admire those brave souls (like Simon) who put serious miles on their cars, but for many it's financial suicide (good for the soul though!).
I agree with the comment on clocking, from 550/360 era onwards Ferrari sightings on the road are relatively common and its not because supply has boomed, but because these cars are being used pretty heavily nowadays, but somehow they are all low mileage when it comes to resale...
I admire those brave souls (like Simon) who put serious miles on their cars, but for many it's financial suicide (good for the soul though!).
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