question on registering as "new"

[Davi]

I've just been having a natter with a chap at Audi - the transaxle I was hoping to use is no longer available as a "new" item - it's an exchange item only - full stop.

The factory themselves are taking the old box, stripping it bare and using all new components to effectively build reconditioned gearboxes.

now... how would this sit with the registration process? The chap at Audi was quite savy and asked what paperwork exactly I'd need and what it would need to say - I'd really hate to spend 5 times what I could build the car for if it was going to end up with a Q plate anyway!!! If it's going Q I'll use reconditioned throughout and have a shed load of spare cash...

[annodomini2]

Some of the major components, such as engine, gearbox can be reconditioned, but not all. i.e. you could have a new engine and a reconditioned gearbox or a reconditioned engine and a new gearbox.

But not both I believe?

[tiger_drew]

as I understand it you can use ONE component remanufactured to an "as new condition" with the remaining major components being new to get a new reg no.

[tribbles]

My understanding is that you're allowed one major /old/ component, but everything else needs to have a certificate saying it's been reconditioned as new, or new.

I should find out soon

[Davi]

tribbles said:

but everything else needs to have a certificate saying it's been reconditioned as new, or new.

I should find out soon

That is key - if they will accept that a reconditioned as new by the factory then no worries - the engine is definitely going to be reconditioned so that's my one major component used up!

[Woody]

Might be worth asking the Ultima boy's - I'm sure they don't use new engines and trans axles etc - but are reconditioned.

Chris

[grahambell]

tiger_drew said:

as I understand it you can use ONE component remanufactured to an "as new condition" with the remaining major components being new to get a new reg no.

That's my understanding too. So recon engine AND recon box means no new reg.

[andygtt]

grahambell said:

tiger_drew said:

as I understand it you can use ONE component remanufactured to an "as new condition" with the remaining major components being new to get a new reg no.

That's my understanding too. So recon engine AND recon box means no new reg.

But the engine/box can be considered one component.

[Dave Dax builder]

andygtt said:

grahambell said:

tiger_drew said:

as I understand it you can use ONE component remanufactured to an "as new condition" with the remaining major components being new to get a new reg no.

That's my understanding too. So recon engine AND recon box means no new reg.

But the engine/box can be considered one component.

Not true.
Of the 6 items listed on the V627/1

Body/chassis
Suspension
Steering
Axles
Transmission
Engine.

Only one of them may not be new to obtain a new registration. However, that one item that is not new must be reconditioned to an "As new" standard.( As mentioned in a couple of the earlier replies.)


Here's the form:-
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/idcplg?Idc...


And here's the rules:-
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSell...

Edited by Dave Dax builder on Wednesday 27th June 20:29

[andygtt]

so what about bike engines were the transmission is not separate? I think for this reason this is grey area.

I'm interested as I am planning to try for a new plate on my R1 engined MK Indy.

[Dave Dax builder]

andygtt said:

so what about bike engines were the transmission is not separate? I think for this reason this is grey area.

I'm interested as I am planning to try for a new plate on my R1 engined MK Indy.

That'll have to be a question for your local DVLA office. Admittedly I hadn't thought about BECs. But in this case with the tranny being detachable from the engine my last post would apply.
If you get a "Jobsworth" (Of which there are many in the DVLA) when trying to "New Reg" a BEC you are pretty much screwed as they will go off what the rule book says.

But. Where there's a will there's a way ;o)

Edited by Dave Dax builder on Wednesday 27th June 21:34

[kenmorton]

As the DVLA inspection only look for chassis number and engine number providing you have an invoice for a new gearbox that will be o.k.

[Kirsty5150]

I think it'll depend just how clued up the DVLA bod is when it comes to registering the car. I know of one or two whose inspection has involved someone looking at the chassis plate and that's it. One even had a bike engine and the manufacturer of the engine got put down as Ford! As said though, I can imagine most places could be persauded to write out a second reciept with whatever you want on it!

[andygtt]

well our local DVLA want o see all new plate cars and take pictures of all the major components including hubs etc and take about a week to review these before a decision is made.

[Davi]

Thanks for all the thoughts - I think the easiest route is going to be having a chat with the nice chap at Audi

[grahambell]

Davi said:

Thanks for all the thoughts - I think the easiest route is going to be having a chat with the nice chap at Audi

Or getting on the computer and knocking up a quick receipt for a brand new Audi transaxle from Davi's Auto Parts...

Did have a conversation with someone about this at Stoneleigh. As the DVLA lot are basically paper pushers, if the part looks new and you've got a bit of paper saying it's new are they likely to bother checking further?

You obviously wouldn't do it with an engine because it has a serial number, but I reckon you could probably get away with a gearbox - if you want to risk it.

[Davi]

I couldn't possibly go doing that, that would be unethical now wouldn't it

Was chatting to a mate about this last night - he made a very good point about this "receipts" milarke - what do they do with people who have taken 10 years to build a project?!?! You've got a receipt from 1997 that shows a part being brand new then - how could they prove / you disprove it hasn't been in half a dozen different cars in that time, rather than just sat in your garage covered in fibreglass matt and wood chippings?!

[tribbles]

DVLA website said:

Subject to the provision of satisfactory receipts and a certificate of newness these vehicles will be registered under a current registration mark.

I think if you get "reconditioned as new" parts, then this counts as a new parts (i.e. a certificate of newness).

[andygtt]

If everything was new except 1 2nd hand component (ie engine) it would still get a Q unless that part can be proved to be "reconditioned as new".

I am almost certain they do not accept "reconditioned as new" as new.

[RazMan]

andygtt said:

If everything was new except 1 2nd hand component (ie engine) it would still get a Q unless that part can be proved to be "reconditioned as new".

I am almost certain they do not accept "reconditioned as new" as new.

I managed to get a new registration with a new gearbox and reconditioned engine. Of course I had all the paperwork and receipts to prove it - and 'proof' seems to be the key issue as far as DVLA are concerned