2-Eleven v CSR 260

[IcklePete]

Not sure if anyone has done this already, but who would win? Saw the Lotus at Motorexpo and their guy reckoned the Lotus would win... I'm not saying for one second the 7 is unbeatable, but I think it would be a tough one to call... or would it?

More importanly, when are we gonna see it!

[MikeE]

win what? I'm sure the 7 would be faster on some circuits, the lotus on others. On power to weight the csr should have it easily, handling/cornering speed possibly the lotus?

[jackal]

lotus reckon the new car is fater than a Radical... hmmmmmmm


given that it takes 300+bhp honda engined stripped out and heavily race tuned suspension exiges to get close to a stock R400 time i would think the new 1-11 will probably manage to match an R300

last time I looked a CSR will run a 1.12 at Donnington National. The lotus would be lucky to do ~1.17 imo. Not a hope.

[SimonY]

The 1:12 is for a CSR Masters Eurocup car on slicks (?), not a standard road CSR.

I am Caterham biased but I reckon the Lotus would have the edge due to downforce on faster corners, the performance figures seem relatively similar.

Edited by SimonY on Friday 29th June 02:45

[Dave J]

downforce ?

has it got wings ?

[Bafty_Crastard]

Cheaper than both….and a lot better

Bafty


Pic's taken at Le Man last week

Edited by Bafty_Crastard on Friday 29th June 14:43

[ScottL]

Will be very interesting to see how Caterham react to the competition from Lotus and KTM.

As someone in the market for a lightweight trackday car I'm very interested to see how they stack up against each other.

[Dave J]

wasn't the x bow 900Kg ?

gotta draw a line under acceptable levels of chubbiness somewhere .....

[Bafty_Crastard]

Press blurb are suggesting 700kgs

see here......http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=15628 

Bafty

[Dave J]

Ohhh OK , 700 kg is in the ball park I guess. Especially if you tweek the VAG Turbo to 300bhp .

Still not surea bout the carbon chassis - doesnt sound like a cheap repair at Arch if you stuff it into the tyrewall ?

[mchammer89]

Dave J said:

downforce ?

has it got wings ?

The 2-Eleven has a rear-wing, and a decent body, compared to the Cat which actually generates lift at high speed (50lbs at 100mph)

[jackal]

SimonY said:

The 1:12 is for a CSR Masters Eurocup car on slicks (?), not a standard road CSR.

I am Caterham biased but I reckon the Lotus would have the edge due to downforce on faster corners, the performance figures seem relatively similar.

Edited by SimonY on Friday 29th June 02:45

yeah, i meant the Lotus on slicks as well ! Rest of the masters car isn't that far off a road car IIRC.

well, i think it will be inetresting to find out. But just look at the seloc series times and the monster spec of the front running cars (which look way way more developed, race-honed and meaty than a factory 1-11). I think it will do very well if it matches road/ACB10 R500 times personally.

[jackal]

mchammer89 said:

Dave J said:

downforce ?

has it got wings ?

The 2-Eleven has a rear-wing, and a decent body, compared to the Cat which actually generates lift at high speed (50lbs at 100mph)

oh so like the exige rear wing which makes such a huge huge difference /sigh

even if the 1-111 has useable downforce it will be doing well to be just enough to cancel out the huge power/ton defecit it has comapred to a fast cat. Look at the weight and the power, it is starting the contest very severely handicapped.

[Murph7355]

I tend to agree with Jackal.

Wish Lotus would come up with something new and properly lightweight - 700kgs is still too porky.

[Bafty_Crastard]

Suggests “700 kgs is to porky”….ok

Jackal…. forget the Lotus…how about the KTM…!!

If you see it ….the build quality compared to the rest is … well… lacking big time

Bafty

[mchammer89]

jackal said:

mchammer89 said:

Dave J said:

downforce ?

has it got wings ?

The 2-Eleven has a rear-wing, and a decent body, compared to the Cat which actually generates lift at high speed (50lbs at 100mph)

oh so like the exige rear wing which makes such a huge huge difference /sigh

even if the 1-111 has useable downforce it will be doing well to be just enough to cancel out the huge power/ton defecit it has comapred to a fast cat. Look at the weight and the power, it is starting the contest very severely handicapped.

Hey I was just answering a question, and I said that I thought the 2-Eleven was more aerodynamic than the Cat. I prefer the Cat, it's a proper no-compramise race car for the road, I think it would be faster around most tracks than the 2-Eleven, tbh I just think of it as a soft Radical.


Oh and the KTM, come on, anyone who even thinks about that should get their head checked, can't believe its actually being compared here.

Edited by mchammer89 on Friday 29th June 22:29

[jackal]

yep, i like the KTM

out of the loop totally but if i wasnt id like a test drive and a look

[Bafty_Crastard]

Bafty_Crastard said:

mchammer89

"Oh and the KTM, come on, anyone who even thinks about that should get their head checked, can't believe its actually being compared here"

Having owned Caterhams for over 12 years can I suggest you need a re-think !!

Bafty

[Pugsey]

Can't see the point of it - the 2-Eleven - myself. If you want total focus and ultimate speed on track you'll probably tow a Radical to the circuit. If you want to go nearly as fast but probably have much more driving fun AND the practicality of being able to drive to the 'Ring etc. you'll get a Caterham. In reality due to lack of any weather gear not many people will go far in the Lotus so you end up with a track only car - which isn't actually a good as a pure track car. Can't see that it's going to have the essential 'fiddle factor' either. I haven't even got my new R400 yet and I'm already planning all sorts of little tweaks and mods for it that'll keep me happy for years - rather than having the rush out and replace it with the 'next big thing' in 12 months time.

[Pugsey]

SimonY said:

I am Caterham biased but I reckon the Lotus would have the edge due to downforce on faster corners, the performance figures seem relatively similar.

Edited by SimonY on Friday 29th June 02:45

IF that's true then I'd say Lotus are missing the point of track day cars - for me at least. I've owned and raced a Radical and the latest aero package means that a corner like Coram is basically a matter of hanging on and how big you balls are - challenging yes, fun? not so sure - whereas the same corner in a Caterham is a never ending series of 'moments'. Great!!