gtr2 for the pc !

[wizz72]

Anybody else own gtr2 for pc..OMFG what an amazing racing simulator this is ! if anyone is into gaming/driving this is by far the best available on any platform..great graphics but the physics/car handling is sublime

[ajg31]

only worth it if you have a good wheel tho

[DanH]

I've got it, but my new PC is still in pieces after 3 months. It will be old hat by the time I can be arsed to finish assembling it.

Learnt an important lesson. Don't bother with watercooling...

[Mr Noble]

I've got GTR and the logitech force feedback steering wheel the same as Obes. I took one look at his set-up and knew it had to be done!


Just waiting on a new Dell 2407 ultrasharp screen now

G

[ajg31]

Mr Noble said:

I've got GTR and the logitech force feedback steering wheel the same as Obes. I took one look at his set-up and knew it had to be done!


Just waiting on a new Dell 2407 ultrasharp screen now

G

Down to about 400 quid now, nearly a bargain! Push the boat out and go for the new dell 27" Or a projector. Could leave the Noble tucked up all the time then GTR would seem so real!

[Mr Noble]

AJG, could you point me in the direction of the 400 squid 2407s please. They are now £550 ish from Dell. ( i did meet a lass who works for the computer center yesterday and she said she always has they sent back for daft reasons (nothing wrong with screen itself) and she sells them to "friends" for about £100!!!)


G

[wizz72]

DanH said:

I've got it, but my new PC is still in pieces after 3 months. It will be old hat by the time I can be arsed to finish assembling it.

Learnt an important lesson. Don't bother with watercooling...

Well get it fixed Dan then we can race ! P.s water cooling is pointless,air cooling just as effective unless you weant to seriously overclock in which case liquid nitrogen cooling is the way to go.

[wizz72]

Dont forget tho guys if your going for a bigger screen it may be too much strain on your standard graphics card and CPU when GAMING,desktop aps will be fine tho, u will need a £400 card and a serious CPU to run most games on a 27 plus inch screen as the resolution is so high(otherwise your frame rates will be rubbish)...i have just bought a 22 inch Samsung widescreen tft running at 1600 by 1050 native resolution,,,270 quid..fantastic quality and picture..top rated in Custom pc (which is the only pc hardware mag worth reading IMO )in conjunction with my 8800 gts 320 mb graphics (at 180 quid)it provides awesome visuals at realistic prices , pound/performance this is by far the best combination for gaming

Edited by wizz72 on Monday 2nd July 14:15

[wizz72]

Mr Noble said:

I've got GTR and the logitech force feedback steering wheel the same as Obes. I took one look at his set-up and knew it had to be done!


Just waiting on a new Dell 2407 ultrasharp screen now

G

M8 upgrade to GTR2....u wont be dissapointed,,then we can boogey !

[Mr Noble]

wizz72 said:

Dont forget tho guys if your going for a bigger screen it may be too much strain on your standard graphics card and CPU when GAMING,desktop aps will be fine tho, u will need a £400 card and a serious CPU to run most games on a 27 plus inch screen as the resolution is so high(otherwise your frame rates will be rubbish)...i have just bought a 22 inch Samsung widescreen tft running at 1600 by 1050 native resolution,,,270 quid..fantastic quality and picture..top rated in Custom pc (which is the only pc hardware mag worth reading IMO )in conjunction with my 8800 gts 320 mb graphics (at 180 quid)it provides awesome visuals at realistic prices , pound/performance this is by far the best combination for gaming

Edited by wizz72 on Monday 2nd July 14:15

Not just a pretty face then you

[Ash M400]

Mr Noble said:

wizz72 said:

Dont forget tho guys if your going for a bigger screen it may be too much strain on your standard graphics card and CPU when GAMING,desktop aps will be fine tho, u will need a £400 card and a serious CPU to run most games on a 27 plus inch screen as the resolution is so high(otherwise your frame rates will be rubbish)...i have just bought a 22 inch Samsung widescreen tft running at 1600 by 1050 native resolution,,,270 quid..fantastic quality and picture..top rated in Custom pc (which is the only pc hardware mag worth reading IMO )in conjunction with my 8800 gts 320 mb graphics (at 180 quid)it provides awesome visuals at realistic prices , pound/performance this is by far the best combination for gaming

Edited by wizz72 on Monday 2nd July 14:15

Not just a pretty face then you

Nope, he is not

[Hunttheshunt]

Apple 30" Cinema display or the HP 30" but you'll need Dual link DVI. Awesome screen's with the right graphics card. Just downloaded the Corvette C6R for GTR2....I think I want one.

[ajg31]

Mr Noble said:

AJG, could you point me in the direction of the 400 squid 2407s please. They are now £550 ish from Dell. ( i did meet a lass who works for the computer center yesterday and she said she always has they sent back for daft reasons (nothing wrong with screen itself) and she sells them to "friends" for about £100!!!)


G

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-009-DE

Here is one link at £430. Dont worry too much about massive GPU and CPU for GTR, its not very demanding and anyway, the Dell 24" is very good at downscaling, so a 1440 by 900 res still looks very sharp indeed.

If you are not really that fussy, one of the new breed 22" monitors as suggested would be perfectly adequate and alot cheaper. www.itcsales.co.uk have some good offers on sometimes and are reputable. Bought off them before with no issues inc warranty.

[wizz72]

ajg31 said:

Mr Noble said:

AJG, could you point me in the direction of the 400 squid 2407s please. They are now £550 ish from Dell. ( i did meet a lass who works for the computer center yesterday and she said she always has they sent back for daft reasons (nothing wrong with screen itself) and she sells them to "friends" for about £100!!!)


G

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-009-DE

Here is one link at £430. Dont worry too much about massive GPU and CPU for GTR, its not very demanding and anyway, the Dell 24" is very good at downscaling, so a 1440 by 900 res still looks very sharp indeed.

If you are not really that fussy, one of the new breed 22" monitors as suggested would be perfectly adequate and alot cheaper. www.itcsales.co.uk have some good offers on sometimes and are reputable. Bought off them before with no issues inc warranty.

Yeah but downscaling can lead to visual problems if its not the native resolution of the monitor..and if you want the best from gtr2 ( not gtr ) with high rez cockpits , liverys and wheels plus a decent draw distance and number of opponents you will need a reasonable system to maintain decent frame rates....theres no point buying a massive monitor purely for gaming if your not going to run it at its proper resolution..And as for not being fussy well.! the samsung syncmaster 226 bw i mentioned b4 is a superior beast to the Dell for most gaming applications and at 2/3 the cost..its not a cheap alternative but the sensible option for someone who understands how to get the most from a system ....as games become more shader intensive future titles will be more demanding on your system...if you have a huge screen and only average internals you pc will struggle..and as i said downscaling sucks..its like having an M400 and only being able to use half boost..whats the point?

Edited by wizz72 on Monday 2nd July 22:45

Edited by wizz72 on Monday 2nd July 22:49

[ajg31]

I own a 20" dell and have owned a 24". I also have a friend who owns 3 24" WS Dell monitors and 3 20" Dell 4:3 monitors for his gaming rigs so i can talk with some authority on Dells poroducts. I defy anyone to come round and distinguish a res of 1440 or similar rather than a res of 1920 on a Dell 24" monitor. I cannot say about other monitors but i know for a fact the Dells scale really well. If your really into Pcs you may notice SOME softness, but add extra AA and AF and you still get a sharper image with less pixels AND better FPS.
GTR or GTR2 are NOT shader intensive games. Try NFSMW, thats a shader intensive racer. By overclocking a 8800gtx's shader clocks and leaving the cpu and mem clocks alone you can harness 10-15 frames more. I doubt it would make a difference in GTR2. I am trying not to go way off topic here as i can babble for days on this stuff
I am fortunate tho in that i run a highly overclocked core 2 system with an 8800gtx so i can max games out at high res so my defenition of intensive or difficult to run games may be very different to others.
Also very few games are CPu intensive now either. Take Dirt for example, a beautiful game if you ignore physics! I get about 5 frames more from running my processor at 3.3ghz over 1.9ghz, not even worth bothering. BUT the GPU, wow, obviously the opposite. For full eye candy one of the 8800 gts or more are needed
"but the sensible option for someone who understands how to get the most from a system", if this comment is aimed at me i know how to get value for money, hence i run a 100 quid chip at speeds a 6800 would be proud of If your happy with a Sammy then great, just dont fool yourself it is a nicer monitor that a 1920 res 24". Also dont be fooled into response times etc. A 16 ms screen will still not ghost until the FPS rise above 60, if it ghosts its for another reason. Also there are the differences of 6 bit screens, 8 bit blah blah. All the new Dells are revision AO4 IIRC so much better then the old ones.
Anyhoo horses for courses. Try widescreengamingforum for alot of detailed info and reviews on monitors. Yes, the old dells get slated by many, especially the 30" which is a very bad offering now the rest of the pack have caught up and beaten it

Edited by ajg31 on Monday 2nd July 23:29

Edited by ajg31 on Monday 2nd July 23:33

[wizz72]

Firstly i never said that Gtr2 was shader intensive itself...i said as modern games become more shader intensive that older graphics cards wud struggle to maintain decent frame rates on larger screens..secondly i never said that the resolution of my Samsung was nicer/higher than that of your Dell ..i said that running its native resolution of 1600 by 1050 along with a 8800 gts 320 mb it was more than a match for the Dell in gaming apps without having to go to the expense of running a higher rez screen which needs a more expensive graphics card....and as you have stated you have a 8800 gtx which is much more expensive...Also you have said u defy anyone to tell the differerence between 1400 and 1900 rez on a Dell..erm if you cant tell the difference why pay more for a bigger screen and downscale the rez when a 22 inch falls in the middle at 1600 and costs a lot less to buy and requires a less expensive graphics card to run ? as i originally said : Guys dont forget that if you get a larger screen you may have to buy a more expensive graphics card and CPU.
Thirdly you will never get better FPS by adding AA and AF.These strain the GPU by making it work harder so how can that make it faster?
An enjoyable debate tho At least your not an aggressive wr like those on the Porsche forum who think they always know best I know that Dells are not bad screen if you want the really big ones

Edited by wizz72 on Tuesday 3rd July 01:15

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Edited by wizz72 on Tuesday 3rd July 01:28

[ajg31]

wizz72 said:

Firstly i never said that Gtr2 was shader intensive itself...i said as modern games become more shader intensive that older graphics cards wud struggle to maintain decent frame rates on larger screens..secondly i never said that the resolution of my Samsung was higher than that of your Dell ..i said that running its native resolution of 1600 by 1050 along with a 8800 gts 320 mb it was more than a match for the Dell in gaming apps without having to go to the expense of running a higher rez screen which needs a more expensive graphics card....and as you have stated you have a 8800 gtx which is much more expensive...as i originally said : Guys dont forget that if you get a larger screen you may have to pay more for a more expensive graphics card.Thirdly you will never get better FPS by adding AA and AF ? And downscaling still sucks

Edited by wizz72 on Tuesday 3rd July 01:15

My apologies for reading the post wrong.
Your right, all new games are totally shader dependent and anything other than the DX10 cards are gonna have a real hard time very soon.
I still think that you would be suprised that a 24" monitor downscaled to 1680 by 1050 (and alot less) would still look lovely, and a card of your caliber would be perfect for such a res I think it is a narrow mindedness (not aiming this at you) of alot of people that think a native res is the be all and end all. If they can genuinely see a noticeable difference then fair enough. All i see on a good scaling monitor is slight softness that can be corrected. Downscaling sucks if you can notice it
In alot of games you can get better results by lowering the res and upping the AA and AF IMHO. i agree of course that if you stuck to the same res AA and AF will only slow the whole lot down.
Back on track please dont be put off buying a big monitor and running a lesser res. But as wizz says for the full benefit in every game you may well have to upgrade other components (but not for GTR2 i think).
If you already have a monitor of say 19" proportion then tripleheadtogo is an option for about the cost of another two monitors. Triplehead
Softh video of GTR
Pics
How much more you see
The soft TH or even teh TH shouldnt really be used with widescreen, it alters the FOV and aspect too much. The sides look stretched but they are only used as peripheral vision and as such offer a fantastic surround feeling

Edited by ajg31 on Tuesday 3rd July 01:51 to add URL links

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[wizz72]

Yup i agree with a lot of your comments....dont forget that a lot of people no bugger all about graphic card/monitor combos and simply think they can whack a bigger screen on their desk and all will be fine...also a lot of games are becoming more CPU intensive (especially RTS's) so people may well benefit from a dual / quad core more than they may think.....my AMD 64 4000+ even in its overclocked state with 2mb L2 cache is starting to wheeze a little at times and im deffo looking into an Intel LGA 775 mobo and processor...my raids and Battlegrounds in WoW are starting to chug a bit when all hell is breaking loose !

[ajg31]

I must admit i had to upgrade to Core 2 over Amd and DFI combo i owned before as the difference was really night and day. Still have a DFI Expert/AMD 3700 chip/Fatal1ty cooler/2 x 36gig Raptors all sitting unused. Waste eh!
Anyway did you like the idea of three screens?

Edited by ajg31 on Tuesday 3rd July 11:52

[wizz72]

Yeah a three monitor set up would be very nice....i also hate having wasted components..ive got 3 pcs at the mo..my main which is obviously linked to the net and two that are linked for multiplayer gaming...i have enough spare parts to build a resonable 4 th one if i had need for it ! My main even has a 74g Raptor sitting in it which i dont use.. Thats the prob with pcs at the moment..they are evolving so quickly that theres no point trying to keep up and spending big money on the latest and greatest as in a month or so thats not the case...making future proofing trickier and more expensive than it used to be. There is a distinct feeling that manufacturers have collaberated of late..im all for a new faster CPU but when they change the fundamental pin concept so that this entails having to upgrade your mobo and ram too you cant help but feel you have been forced into spending more than is necessary