Advise on offduty police please
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just on my way home with my dad in his car behind we i took him to collect it. i was cut up on a roundabout by a blue fiesta st with white stripes i hooted and gave a coffee bean sign and carried on i was sitting at 60 in a 50 ok i know but thats not the point for about 1 mile this blue fiesta was behind hooting flashing and waving his arms. i came up to some 3 lane traffic lights in the outside lane my dad in the middle when this fiesta then cut my dad up and came next to me hooting as i opened my window he said he is a off duty police office and will be reporting me i said i should be reporting you for cutting me and my father up then drove off as the lights went green
so the question is
1) can a offduty officer flash hoot etc and expect me to stop ( in the end he pulled next to me at lights)
2) he flashed something at me for about a second i wouldnt know what a badge looks like but can only presume was one.
3) whats he going to report me for ? calling him a nugget for cutting me up for doing 60 in a 50?
4) whatever he reports me for will it legally stand?
also just to add he didnt read any rights etc it was a 10 second conversation if that as the lights went green.
thank for any help and advise
so the question is
1) can a offduty officer flash hoot etc and expect me to stop ( in the end he pulled next to me at lights)
2) he flashed something at me for about a second i wouldnt know what a badge looks like but can only presume was one.
3) whats he going to report me for ? calling him a nugget for cutting me up for doing 60 in a 50?
4) whatever he reports me for will it legally stand?
also just to add he didnt read any rights etc it was a 10 second conversation if that as the lights went green.
thank for any help and advise
Edited by 911JUS on Saturday 7th July 19:00
, and you should report him. A blue Fiesta with white stripes may well ring bells around your local station.911JUS said:
Towie said:
I find it strange that a sensible man in a sensible job should even have to ask the question!
hi,im asking as im not into law so dont know the rules etc most involvement ive had with police is 3 points !
J
Towie said:
911JUS said:
Towie said:
I find it strange that a sensible man in a sensible job should even have to ask the question!
hi,im asking as im not into law so dont know the rules etc most involvement ive had with police is 3 points !
J
cheers
streaky said:
911JUS said:
i was cut up on a roundabout by a blue fiesta st with white stripes i hooted
Audible warning of approach, or annoyance?911JUS said:
gave a coffee bean sign
Why bother? Can lead to physical nastiness from the other driver.Streaky
it doesnt matter who it is the queen, a copper, joe public or anyone if they cut someone up they will get a hoot etc
J
I see numpties doing daft things on a daily basis, but there's no way I'd identify myself as an off-duty BIB to them. I seriously doubt any other off-duty BIB with their wits about them would do so either. If someone's driving was so bad I felt something needed to be done, I'd call it in on the 9's (I'm talking about potential DIC etc).
Assuming he was off duty BiB was he also driving with a second BiB sitting alongside him, or in fact someone that could verify the evidence he presents to you.
Now you know that you yourself have a witness, do you think that the evidence you and your father could present would paint a picture of high standards in police work when it comes to the bahviour of this BiB, because the description you gave doesn't suggest that.
If you're worried go to your local Police station and make a statement first.
Now you know that you yourself have a witness, do you think that the evidence you and your father could present would paint a picture of high standards in police work when it comes to the bahviour of this BiB, because the description you gave doesn't suggest that.
If you're worried go to your local Police station and make a statement first.
Looks like the lady has a relative in the job
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911JUS said:
an interesting read cheers
why do some police seem to take there job home with them then ?
the problem now is whatever this plonker decides to report me for will involve time off work solicitors fees etc crazy
J
You mean IF he was an off duty BIB and IF he reports you...why do some police seem to take there job home with them then ?
the problem now is whatever this plonker decides to report me for will involve time off work solicitors fees etc crazy
J
Don't sweat it. He was/is probably some jerk who who didn't like the tone of your sign language and his only contact with the Police is watching Road/Street Wars and The Bill.
Edit for spelling errors to ward off pedants
Edited by oldsoak on Sunday 8th July 17:13
oldsoak said:
911JUS said:
an interesting read cheers
why do some police seem to take there job home with them then ?
the problem now is whatever this plonker decides to report me for will involve time off work solicitors fees etc crazy
J
You mean IF he was an off duty BIB and IF he reports you...why do some police seem to take there job home with them then ?
the problem now is whatever this plonker decides to report me for will involve time off work solicitors fees etc crazy
J
Don't sweat it. He was/is probably some jerk who who didn't like the tone of your sign language and his only contact with the Police is watching Road/Street Wars and The Bill.
Edit for spelling errors to ward off pedants
Edited by oldsoak on Sunday 8th July 17:13
time will tell
J
911JUS said:
just on my way home with my dad in his car behind we i took him to collect it. i was cut up on a roundabout by a blue fiesta st with white stripes i hooted and gave a coffee bean sign and carried on i was sitting at 60 in a 50 ok i know but thats not the point for about 1 mile this blue fiesta was behind hooting flashing and waving his arms.
Twazaks exist. Don't join the twazaks by giving the old Stinkfinger (which ist prosecutable offence in all German speaking countries 
) Just chill, murmur twazak und get on with the pleasure of driving.
You were at 60 in 50?
Tut! So unless he was in uniform - I think he cannot do anything. I seem to understand from all posts on this site from the BiBs on board und relatives who are also BiBs that BiB can only pull if in uniform. A plain clothes one cannot do so.
Nor can an off-duty one. I think they can inform "uniformed" if their professional opinion deems the standard of behaviour warrant this though. I am sure lieber von will roll up to bang me to right if recalling incorrectly what I read in past 911JUS said:
i came up to some 3 lane traffic lights in the outside lane my dad in the middle when this fiesta then cut my dad up and came next to me hooting as i opened my window he said he is a off duty police office and will be reporting me i said i should be reporting you for cutting me and my father up then drove off as the lights went green
so the question is
1) can a offduty officer flash hoot etc and expect me to stop ( in the end he pulled next to me at lights)
2) he flashed something at me for about a second i wouldnt know what a badge looks like but can only presume was one.
3) whats he going to report me for ? calling him a nugget for cutting me up for doing 60 in a 50?
4) whatever he reports me for will it legally stand?
also just to add he didnt read any rights etc it was a 10 second conversation if that as the lights went green.
thank for any help and advise
Had a collision occurred because he "cut you up" - a court may rule in YOUR favour even though you above speed limit. Did he indicate? Give any sign he check you in his "blind" spot?so the question is
1) can a offduty officer flash hoot etc and expect me to stop ( in the end he pulled next to me at lights)
2) he flashed something at me for about a second i wouldnt know what a badge looks like but can only presume was one.
3) whats he going to report me for ? calling him a nugget for cutting me up for doing 60 in a 50?
4) whatever he reports me for will it legally stand?
also just to add he didnt read any rights etc it was a 10 second conversation if that as the lights went green.
thank for any help and advise
Edited by 911JUS on Saturday 7th July 19:00
I do actually find COAST help spot these twazaks anyway. Avoiding conflict/collision by adjusting speed/position/gear - even letting the twazak that vital gap, drawing breath und just realising that he more a twazak than you are on this occasion
does help.Evaluate in your own mind objectively too. Did you see him? Was your position at the roundabout cutting him out from direction he wanted. If your nose in front then he should have conceded und moved in behind you but two wrong like what he considered to be "aggressive" did not help anymore than his cut in help. What could you have done to assist him to his desired exit from this roundabout?
COAST/IAM/Advanced Driving... it not about speeding (even though I admit to enjoying a spirited drive when possible
- usually in Germany or track of course (before von get wrongest idea 
) It about considering your safety & that of passengers in your car first und an obligation of duty of care towards all other road users coming a very close second. Now I say it in this order because 9 time out of 10 I have those whose lives I value higher than my own life in my car as passengers: my "kittens". My duty of care primarily towards their safety at all times. Other people come second to them.
I do doubt he was police officer given your account anyway. If he was hooting horn he was breaking the law anyway as you not supposed to do this willy nilly. (HC Rule 92 MUST only use horn to alert of presence. MUST NOT be used aggressively
) Suspect that was not off-duty plod at all, but a plum - most likely carries his son's Police Officer badge he got from the CHiPs Chrimbo set.
A copper won't pull you to tell you he is going to report you IMHO, why would he do so? He would simply take action using your reg. no. No need at all to advise what he is doing, that sounds like someone trying to scare you.
A copper won't pull you to tell you he is going to report you IMHO, why would he do so? He would simply take action using your reg. no. No need at all to advise what he is doing, that sounds like someone trying to scare you.
Jasandjules said:
Suspect that was not off-duty plod at all, but a plum - most likely carries his son's Police Officer badge he got from the CHiPs Chrimbo set.
A copper won't pull you to tell you he is going to report you IMHO, why would he do so? He would simply take action using your reg. no. No need at all to advise what he is doing, that sounds like someone trying to scare you.
What he said.A copper won't pull you to tell you he is going to report you IMHO, why would he do so? He would simply take action using your reg. no. No need at all to advise what he is doing, that sounds like someone trying to scare you.
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