tvr and horses
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Well, being a horse owner and a tiv owner I generally find that if you slow right down and give the beasty on 4 legs a wide berth (especially if coming from behind, or should I say approaching from behind) you will be fine and hopefully greeted with a nice smile and thankyou (cant guarentee that bit though as I smile at everyone and am probably one of the more considerate riders on the roads).
Horses are pretty good with noisey vehicles because they are more aware of you approaching, if anything its cyclists that are the issue as they silently creep up behind you and scare everyone to death as they pass.
Horses are pretty good with noisey vehicles because they are more aware of you approaching, if anything its cyclists that are the issue as they silently creep up behind you and scare everyone to death as they pass.
Mine's so loud I have to pull right over and leave it idling while they pass me. I'd switch it off altogether but the restart would be more frightening still.
I have encountered irrational horsey people in the past, who were out for a fight simply because I had a loud car, even though I did as I explained above (pulled over) but they went quiet when challenged. Normally there is equal politeness on both sides.
I've engaged in all the forum-arguments before about them being on the road etc etc but I'm wary of calling for the ban of anyone's sport/leasure activity because it won't be long before ours is next.
I have encountered irrational horsey people in the past, who were out for a fight simply because I had a loud car, even though I did as I explained above (pulled over) but they went quiet when challenged. Normally there is equal politeness on both sides.
I've engaged in all the forum-arguments before about them being on the road etc etc but I'm wary of calling for the ban of anyone's sport/leasure activity because it won't be long before ours is next.
Should horses be allowed on the roads at all?
If yes then the owners should pay road tax and have insurance - and the riders should pass a test for riding on the public road.
Surely it's hypocritical to stop youngsters riding motorised skate boards and quads on the road and yet let the horsey brigade do it?
And horses like cattle produce huge amounts of greenhouse gases - much more than cars.
Jay
If yes then the owners should pay road tax and have insurance - and the riders should pass a test for riding on the public road.
Surely it's hypocritical to stop youngsters riding motorised skate boards and quads on the road and yet let the horsey brigade do it?
And horses like cattle produce huge amounts of greenhouse gases - much more than cars.
Jay
Jay Ayegees said:
Should horses be allowed on the roads at all?
If yes then the owners should pay road tax and have insurance - and the riders should pass a test for riding on the public road.
Surely it's hypocritical to stop youngsters riding motorised skate boards and quads on the road and yet let the horsey brigade do it?
And horses like cattle produce huge amounts of greenhouse gases - much more than cars.
Jay
Unfortuneatly many horse riders have no option now to ride on roads in order to get to bridleways. I'm lucky where I am as I seldom have to ride on roads, and those that I do are quiet lanes which have very wide verges. Like I said, I'm one of the more considerate people but then i do have a TVR as well so understand both sides of the story.If yes then the owners should pay road tax and have insurance - and the riders should pass a test for riding on the public road.
Surely it's hypocritical to stop youngsters riding motorised skate boards and quads on the road and yet let the horsey brigade do it?
And horses like cattle produce huge amounts of greenhouse gases - much more than cars.
Jay
As for insurance, yes my horse is insured to be out on the roads or where ever she could be classed as a public liability, and I took a test for road safety as well. If there were to be a tax brought in then surely cyclists and the like should be made to pay it as well which would open up a whole different can of worms.
Whilst I agree horses on the road are a pain, thankfully you don't encounter them too often. It's the bloody lorries that transport them that wind me up. At least tractors, JCBs and, dare I say it, the odd caravanner pull over these days, but I have yet to encounter a single horsebox that has ever done the same. It really is about time the police started pulling a few of these inconsiderate idiots and made them aware of the chaos they cause on packed weekend roads throughout Britain. They're a confounded menace.
Horses have been allowed on the public roads far longer than cars and generally have a far lower potential for damaging 3rd parties than do cars.
Call for their ban and don't be surprised when someone calls for the ban of loud sports cars which can comfortably exceed the legal speed limit and contribute towards global warming (something I don't actually believe man has any influence over).
Live and let live. They are infrequent on the roads. There are LOTS of alternative roads you could use. Their transporters are hardly a problem when you've got significantly more bhp/tonne than they have.
I don't have a horse, can't ride one and don't much care to try but if you call yourself a considerate driver you will consider horses and their riders too in much the same way as you would anyone else. Strikes me that people forget their manners once they get behind the wheel of a car.
Call for their ban and don't be surprised when someone calls for the ban of loud sports cars which can comfortably exceed the legal speed limit and contribute towards global warming (something I don't actually believe man has any influence over).
Live and let live. They are infrequent on the roads. There are LOTS of alternative roads you could use. Their transporters are hardly a problem when you've got significantly more bhp/tonne than they have.
I don't have a horse, can't ride one and don't much care to try but if you call yourself a considerate driver you will consider horses and their riders too in much the same way as you would anyone else. Strikes me that people forget their manners once they get behind the wheel of a car.
coolcatmaz said:
Horses are pretty good with noisey vehicles because they are more aware of you approaching, if anything its cyclists that are the issue as they silently creep up behind you and scare everyone to death as they pass.
I hardly ever get passed by cyclists when I'm in my TVR.unrepentant said:
coolcatmaz said:
Horses are pretty good with noisey vehicles because they are more aware of you approaching, if anything its cyclists that are the issue as they silently creep up behind you and scare everyone to death as they pass.
I hardly ever get passed by cyclists when I'm in my TVR.
Sadly mars you must be living on Mars and the roads must be quiet. Here in deepest rural Sussex the roads are awash with 25mph horse boxes every weekend and most weekdays too.
It's not the horsebox that necessarily causes the blockage for, as you say, we can sweep imperiously past them - it's the queue that has already formed behind it when you get there that means 20 minutes of crawling and steam from your ears and the car.
Apart from riding 2 abreast on country lanes and refusing to move over, most horse riders round here are pretty good but I do think compulsory insurance and training for them and cyclists would be a good idea. The favourite panic moment is when you are about to carefully overtake a cyclist at a safe speed, they just swing round a drain cover without looking and are suddenly 3ft further over than you were expecting.
It's not the horsebox that necessarily causes the blockage for, as you say, we can sweep imperiously past them - it's the queue that has already formed behind it when you get there that means 20 minutes of crawling and steam from your ears and the car.
Apart from riding 2 abreast on country lanes and refusing to move over, most horse riders round here are pretty good but I do think compulsory insurance and training for them and cyclists would be a good idea. The favourite panic moment is when you are about to carefully overtake a cyclist at a safe speed, they just swing round a drain cover without looking and are suddenly 3ft further over than you were expecting.
Mars said:
Horses have been allowed on the public roads far longer than cars and generally have a far lower potential for damaging 3rd parties than do cars.
Call for their ban and don't be surprised when someone calls for the ban of loud sports cars which can comfortably exceed the legal speed limit and contribute towards global warming (something I don't actually believe man has any influence over).
Live and let live. They are infrequent on the roads. There are LOTS of alternative roads you could use. Their transporters are hardly a problem when you've got significantly more bhp/tonne than they have.
I don't have a horse, can't ride one and don't much care to try but if you call yourself a considerate driver you will consider horses and their riders too in much the same way as you would anyone else. Strikes me that people forget their manners once they get behind the wheel of a car.
I agree with most of that. I do think however that Horse riders should have to pass a compulsory "driving test" before being let loose on the roads and horses should be licenced, insured (I assume most are?) and pay some kind of road tax.Call for their ban and don't be surprised when someone calls for the ban of loud sports cars which can comfortably exceed the legal speed limit and contribute towards global warming (something I don't actually believe man has any influence over).
Live and let live. They are infrequent on the roads. There are LOTS of alternative roads you could use. Their transporters are hardly a problem when you've got significantly more bhp/tonne than they have.
I don't have a horse, can't ride one and don't much care to try but if you call yourself a considerate driver you will consider horses and their riders too in much the same way as you would anyone else. Strikes me that people forget their manners once they get behind the wheel of a car.
You will find the vast majority of horses are insured which gives you an automatic 3rd party liability cover, however there are probably a number of people who dont bother. I can't answer for the people who ride 2 or 3 abreast or drive horse boxes /tow trailers or dont acknowledge drivers for slowing down for them, and I find a vast number of horse owners/riders to be very stuck up and think they own the roads.
However, we're not all like that thankfully, some of us are responsible nice young ladies, with the added bonus of looking great in a pair of jodhpurs
However, we're not all like that thankfully, some of us are responsible nice young ladies, with the added bonus of looking great in a pair of jodhpurs
DavidLScott said:
Sadly mars you must be living on Mars and the roads must be quiet. Here in deepest rural Sussex the roads are awash with 25mph horse boxes every weekend and most weekdays too.
It's not the horsebox that necessarily causes the blockage for, as you say, we can sweep imperiously past them - it's the queue that has already formed behind it when you get there that means 20 minutes of crawling and steam from your ears and the car.
Apart from riding 2 abreast on country lanes and refusing to move over, most horse riders round here are pretty good but I do think compulsory insurance and training for them and cyclists would be a good idea. The favourite panic moment is when you are about to carefully overtake a cyclist at a safe speed, they just swing round a drain cover without looking and are suddenly 3ft further over than you were expecting.
I live in horse riding country (near to Feckenham) although I concede there are more actual horses on the roads round here than horse boxes.It's not the horsebox that necessarily causes the blockage for, as you say, we can sweep imperiously past them - it's the queue that has already formed behind it when you get there that means 20 minutes of crawling and steam from your ears and the car.
Apart from riding 2 abreast on country lanes and refusing to move over, most horse riders round here are pretty good but I do think compulsory insurance and training for them and cyclists would be a good idea. The favourite panic moment is when you are about to carefully overtake a cyclist at a safe speed, they just swing round a drain cover without looking and are suddenly 3ft further over than you were expecting.
Can't you turn off though? Try another direction? I drive a fair bit around Hampshire where it's also claimed there are a lot of horse boxesm and yet it doesn't impede my progress for long... I just go somewhere else to play.
I'm definitely in favour of rider training though whether it be horses, bikes, whatever. I shan't let my son loose on the roads on a bicycle until he's had some road awareness instruction.
coolcatmaz said:
You will find the vast majority of horses are insured which gives you an automatic 3rd party liability cover, however there are probably a number of people who dont bother. I can't answer for the people who ride 2 or 3 abreast or drive horse boxes /tow trailers or dont acknowledge drivers for slowing down for them, and I find a vast number of horse owners/riders to be very stuck up and think they own the roads.
However, we're not all like that thankfully, some of us are responsible nice young ladies, with the added bonus of looking great in a pair of jodhpurs
Gosh, never have I agreed more violently with someone. However, we're not all like that thankfully, some of us are responsible nice young ladies, with the added bonus of looking great in a pair of jodhpurs
Regarding the 2 or 3 abreast... there was some discussion on R4 one morning earlier this week (maybe today... it's been a long day) where the rep from the horse riders association (or whatever) contested the proposed inclusions for the highway code. Rather timely discussion on our behalf.
I have about four or five stables by me and it really racks me off. They parade along the roads crapping and causing chaos. The amount of crap left out side my house and neighbours is too much for the roses sometimes. I used to be sympathetic to them, but now I couldn't give a flying Fcuk. I don't slow down and I don't know of many that do. Theres hundreds of acres to ride on here, why do they feel the need to go on quite busy roads at all.
Tangoed said:
I have about four or five stables by me and it really racks me off. They parade along the roads crapping and causing chaos. The amount of crap left out side my house and neighbours is too much for the roses sometimes. I used to be sympathetic to them, but now I couldn't give a flying Fcuk. I don't slow down and I don't know of many that do. Theres hundreds of acres to ride on here, why do they feel the need to go on quite busy roads at all.
Can't wait to read your whining drivel when you pass without slowing and finnish up with a horse hoof stuffed through your door!!!!coolcatmaz said:
You will find the vast majority of horses are insured which gives you an automatic 3rd party liability cover, however there are probably a number of people who dont bother. I can't answer for the people who ride 2 or 3 abreast or drive horse boxes /tow trailers or dont acknowledge drivers for slowing down for them, and I find a vast number of horse owners/riders to be very stuck up and think they own the roads.
However, we're not all like that thankfully, some of us are responsible nice young ladies, with the added bonus of looking great in a pair of jodhpurs
Do you wear your jodhpurs and boots in the TIV, sounds wonderful to me ?...However, we're not all like that thankfully, some of us are responsible nice young ladies, with the added bonus of looking great in a pair of jodhpurs
Tangoed said:
Theres hundreds of acres to ride on here, why do they feel the need to go on quite busy roads at all.
Maybe you could persuade the farmers and land owners then to open up all of that land for public use and then people wouldn't find it nescessary to ride on the roads annoying people like you. Its the farmers and DEFRA that have closed the vast majority of bridelways leaving many people no choice but to ride on roads. Believe me, they'd rather not be on the roads given the choice.Thankfully the farmer where I keep my horse allows us to ride across all of his private land so I dont really need to ride on the roads, which is a blessing if idiots like you are on them.
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