savaged by dog !
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Last night a friend of mine got bitten by a dog and made a mess of his hand, he bent down to let it sniff him before he stroked it and it lunged at him. The dog was tied outside of a shop !
The owner at the shop said the dog was no longer allowed in after it had tried to bite previously and apparently was on it's final warning for biting before.
After 4 hours in the hospital and a lot of pain killers he is now waiting for the police to call round for a statement.... what should he expect to happen and is it worth persuing a claim ?
The owner at the shop said the dog was no longer allowed in after it had tried to bite previously and apparently was on it's final warning for biting before.
After 4 hours in the hospital and a lot of pain killers he is now waiting for the police to call round for a statement.... what should he expect to happen and is it worth persuing a claim ?
If the owner can't protect the public from the dog (ie. by leaving it at home) then it should be euthanased (dog, not the owner...). It might be a kiddies face next time (not meaning to play the 'think of the children' card though!).
Having said that, it's never worth 'saying hello' to a random dog however friendly it might appear. A tied up dog is effectively cornered so can always react unpredictably.
I don't know about the compo position, probably not worth the hassle(?), but definately worth putting in a bit of effort to get the dog off the street.
Having said that, it's never worth 'saying hello' to a random dog however friendly it might appear. A tied up dog is effectively cornered so can always react unpredictably.
I don't know about the compo position, probably not worth the hassle(?), but definately worth putting in a bit of effort to get the dog off the street.
crackthatoff said:
he bent down to let it sniff him before he stroked it and it lunged at him. The dog was tied outside of a shop and is it worth persuing a claim ?
The owner may have cover if he has house insurance. Imo your mate took a chance so personally I'd put it down to experience. He may have been overwhelming to the dog because the dog was tied up. Big bloke, little dog or a dog that's a bit nervouse etc. Next time tell him to show it his arse, dog might have sniffed that instead, as they do, lol.
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Just spoken to someone who is high up in the Kennel club and their comments were;
> why was the bloke putting his hand near a dog he didn't know mouth?
> If dog is known to be a bit snappy why did the owner leave it unattended without a muzzle?
> that said if bloke ended up needing stitches then he really should report it to the police. No matter how provoked a dog should never put a human in hospital due to biting, what if it were a blah blah blah head height etc etc etc!!
And that's from a Dog lover, breeder and breed secretary of the Kennel Club.
btw report should end up with dog being put to rest
> why was the bloke putting his hand near a dog he didn't know mouth?
> If dog is known to be a bit snappy why did the owner leave it unattended without a muzzle?
> that said if bloke ended up needing stitches then he really should report it to the police. No matter how provoked a dog should never put a human in hospital due to biting, what if it were a blah blah blah head height etc etc etc!!
And that's from a Dog lover, breeder and breed secretary of the Kennel Club.
btw report should end up with dog being put to rest
Not trying to stand up for dog, as i believe any snapping dog should be dealt with ( as should owner):sticking out hand says to dog "hello" , but the position of the hand is critical with problem dogs.
Put out hand palm down to a dog used to a swipe - dog looks out for next bash ( and if someone is about to hit you - do you sit back and take it , or defend ??)
Put out hand palm up - dog at ease, but if nasty , greater chance of being bitten.
From what i've been told - safest method is offer fist - no open palm, dog not threatened, less contact area. But if you really must approach strange dogs - stay your distance, where they cannot attack you, drop to a non aggressive height and see if dog wants to socialise. Dogs are social animals - more so than some humans, and usually will give some warning if threatened.
Put out hand palm down to a dog used to a swipe - dog looks out for next bash ( and if someone is about to hit you - do you sit back and take it , or defend ??)
Put out hand palm up - dog at ease, but if nasty , greater chance of being bitten.
From what i've been told - safest method is offer fist - no open palm, dog not threatened, less contact area. But if you really must approach strange dogs - stay your distance, where they cannot attack you, drop to a non aggressive height and see if dog wants to socialise. Dogs are social animals - more so than some humans, and usually will give some warning if threatened.
This is disgusting were talking about a life here. How would you like it if someone came up and started touching you? What did the dog think, subjectiveley? Can it stand in a witness box and say i felt threatened while tied to a post and discomfort at people touching my head.
Wheres that dog come from? It might have been beaten or neglected by a prevoius owner, rescued and now someone has given it a new home, did any of you think of that? Dogs like humans are influenced by life experiences, it does not really matter the breed or anything but how they have been kept/treated. Thats how you can have dogs which on face value seem like monsters which in reality are complete pussy cats. The dog may just have had a bad owner in the past and suffered abuse. Hell we let kiddie fiddlers walk free for coming up with a similar excuse.
I once had a discussion which resulting from a lecture about the right to defend onself from a burglar/attacker in your own home. As we all know we have the right to use reasonable force. Fair enough? what is reasonable force for a dog. what if it was the only one in the house and you dont have to be a home owner to call a place your home however Can it throw a punch? can it kick? can it even say no?.....the only thing a dog can do is bite, it is the one and only defence even more so when shackled.
Much responsibility comes on the owner, if you have a dog which you know is easily threatened then dont leave it tied up. For some its crowds, for some its solitude, some crave attention and some like their space. Who am i talking about human beings or dogs?
If you must clap a dog then if it backs away stop, if you stand near it, let if move to you, if it doesnt then just leave it.
Wheres that dog come from? It might have been beaten or neglected by a prevoius owner, rescued and now someone has given it a new home, did any of you think of that? Dogs like humans are influenced by life experiences, it does not really matter the breed or anything but how they have been kept/treated. Thats how you can have dogs which on face value seem like monsters which in reality are complete pussy cats. The dog may just have had a bad owner in the past and suffered abuse. Hell we let kiddie fiddlers walk free for coming up with a similar excuse.
I once had a discussion which resulting from a lecture about the right to defend onself from a burglar/attacker in your own home. As we all know we have the right to use reasonable force. Fair enough? what is reasonable force for a dog. what if it was the only one in the house and you dont have to be a home owner to call a place your home however Can it throw a punch? can it kick? can it even say no?.....the only thing a dog can do is bite, it is the one and only defence even more so when shackled.
Much responsibility comes on the owner, if you have a dog which you know is easily threatened then dont leave it tied up. For some its crowds, for some its solitude, some crave attention and some like their space. Who am i talking about human beings or dogs?
If you must clap a dog then if it backs away stop, if you stand near it, let if move to you, if it doesnt then just leave it.
bi9 jk - don't get me wrong I am a dog lover and have rescued abused dogs before- I agree the responsibility is on the owner and the owner should know what his dog is like (the dog had previously attacked people alledgedly) and therefore should have muzzled the dog.
Becuase they don't then that dog creates a risk to people and action should be taken imo!!
Becuase they don't then that dog creates a risk to people and action should be taken imo!!
Marcellus said:
bi9 jk - don't get me wrong I am a dog lover and have rescued abused dogs before- I agree the responsibility is on the owner and the owner should know what his dog is like (the dog had previously attacked people alledgedly) and therefore should have muzzled the dog.
Becuase they don't then that dog creates a risk to people and action should be taken imo!!
The dog wasn't a risk imo until somebody interfered with it. I wasn't there though but would still put it down to experience. Has your mate spoken with the owner?Becuase they don't then that dog creates a risk to people and action should be taken imo!!
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Marcellus said:
bi9 jk - don't get me wrong I am a dog lover and have rescued abused dogs before- I agree the responsibility is on the owner and the owner should know what his dog is like (the dog had previously attacked people alledgedly) and therefore should have muzzled the dog.
Becuase they don't then that dog creates a risk to people and action should be taken imo!!
The dog wasn't a risk imo until somebody interfered with it. I wasn't there though but would still put it down to experience. Has your mate spoken with the owner?Becuase they don't then that dog creates a risk to people and action should be taken imo!!
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The owner didn't invite the OPs friend to go over to the dog, he didn't invite him to touch the dog, but he did both things, and got bitten. I don't think this is like the first scenario I gave, where the dog runs over and bites the human. Not a good case imho. Not worth pursuing.
If you report it to the police the dog will be destroyed, im an animal lover but if any dog bit me in a public place i would insist it was put to sleep, the owner is responsible for the dog, unfortuantly you can't have iresponsible dog owners put to sleep, i have a 2 year old german shepherd who i adore, i also have a 2 year old niece who i adore, my 2 year old niece is used to my dog and would probably have put her hand towards that dog to touch it if she had the opertunity, not a pleasant thought.
We constantly tell our kids not to approach strnge dogs, lots of kids approach ours unchellenged by their parents, same could have happened there with worse results. Owner was acting irresponsibly leaving the dog there.
IMO, dog needs to be put down especially with the owner not taking the right precautions.
IMO, dog needs to be put down especially with the owner not taking the right precautions.
[quote=Who me ?]Not trying to stand up for dog, as i believe any snapping dog should be dealt with ( as should owner):sticking out hand says to dog "hello" , but the position of the hand is critical with problem dogs.
Put out hand palm down to a dog used to a swipe - dog looks out for next bash ( and if someone is about to hit you - do you sit back and take it , or defend ??)
Put out hand palm up - dog at ease, but if nasty , greater chance of being bitten.
From what i've been told - safest method is offer fist - no open palm, dog not threatened, less contact area. But if you really must approach strange dogs - stay your distance, where they cannot attack you, drop to a non aggressive height and see if dog wants to socialise. Dogs are social animals - more so than some humans, and usually will give some warning if threatened.
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to all of that.
Put out hand palm down to a dog used to a swipe - dog looks out for next bash ( and if someone is about to hit you - do you sit back and take it , or defend ??)
Put out hand palm up - dog at ease, but if nasty , greater chance of being bitten.
From what i've been told - safest method is offer fist - no open palm, dog not threatened, less contact area. But if you really must approach strange dogs - stay your distance, where they cannot attack you, drop to a non aggressive height and see if dog wants to socialise. Dogs are social animals - more so than some humans, and usually will give some warning if threatened.
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to all of that.Boosted LS1 said:
Marcellus said:
bi9 jk - don't get me wrong I am a dog lover and have rescued abused dogs before- I agree the responsibility is on the owner and the owner should know what his dog is like (the dog had previously attacked people alledgedly) and therefore should have muzzled the dog.
Becuase they don't then that dog creates a risk to people and action should be taken imo!!
The dog wasn't a risk imo until somebody interfered with it. I wasn't there though but would still put it down to experience. Has your mate spoken with the owner?Becuase they don't then that dog creates a risk to people and action should be taken imo!!
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