The Hamilton chop.
Discussion
At Silverstone, it appeared Kimi had a slightly better getaway and was accelerating faster with more momentum than Lewis. If Hamilton hadn't made the first move towards the inside, Raikkonen would probably have passed on the entry to Copse. But then the Brit needed to move back onto the racing line. Had he not, his exit towards Maggots would have been badly compromised leaving him very vulnerable to the Finn.
Sporting? I have been trying to find an in-car replay from the Iceman's Ferrari to establish if he had to get out of the throttle in response to Hamilton's 'chop'. If he did (the trackside view suggests so), the fact that Lewis also changed line twice makes the move rather borderline IMO.
Sporting? I have been trying to find an in-car replay from the Iceman's Ferrari to establish if he had to get out of the throttle in response to Hamilton's 'chop'. If he did (the trackside view suggests so), the fact that Lewis also changed line twice makes the move rather borderline IMO.
Saied said:
Sporting? I have been trying to find an in-car replay from the Iceman's Ferrari to establish if he had to get out of the throttle in response to Hamilton's 'chop'. If he did (the trackside view suggests so), the fact that Lewis also changed line twice makes the move rather borderline IMO.
rules state 1 move from the line.He made 1 move from the line, end of story.
if you care to remeber, who was it that caused the introduction of the 1 move rule?
Scuffers said:
Saied said:
Sporting? I have been trying to find an in-car replay from the Iceman's Ferrari to establish if he had to get out of the throttle in response to Hamilton's 'chop'. If he did (the trackside view suggests so), the fact that Lewis also changed line twice makes the move rather borderline IMO.
rules state 1 move from the line.He made 1 move from the line, end of story.
if you care to remeber, who was it that caused the introduction of the 1 move rule?
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=87901150...
At least 1.5 moves, possibly two.
The move back across onto the racing line seemed a bit sharper to me from the trackside cameras than it did from Kimi's camera, so hard to judge.
But Kimi didn't call it as a bad move so I suppose we have to assume that he wasn't upset by it. Then again he did win anyway, if he had lost to Hamilton it may have been a different story.
I wonder whether the foreign commentators felt it was a bad move?
The move back across onto the racing line seemed a bit sharper to me from the trackside cameras than it did from Kimi's camera, so hard to judge.
But Kimi didn't call it as a bad move so I suppose we have to assume that he wasn't upset by it. Then again he did win anyway, if he had lost to Hamilton it may have been a different story.
I wonder whether the foreign commentators felt it was a bad move?
Another video:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=63753357...
Wouldn't be suprised if Kimi had to lift on the second move.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=63753357...
Wouldn't be suprised if Kimi had to lift on the second move.
sosidge said:
But Kimi didn't call it as a bad move so I suppose we have to assume that he wasn't upset by it. Then again he did win anyway, if he had lost to Hamilton it may have been a different story.
Kimi does not whinge or even bother with excuses. He is the Iceman.Alonso whinges. Hamilton comes up with excuses.
Kimi knew he had the race won on Saturday night. Hamilton playing at his customary chop was not even a mild irritation.
jacobyte said:
loneranger said:
Kimi does not whinge or even bother with excuses. He is the Iceman.
Kimi can slam a revolving door. Kimi can lead a horse to water AND make it drink.
Kimi is so fast, he can drive around the world and run himself over.
Etc...
Kimi, in a race, going for it, in a high speed bend, is the finest sight in current F1. The highest level of driving skill currently available for us to enjoy.
Also with the donkeys he seems to have buckled down and is doing all the available practice miles.
Back to the Hamilton chop. I reckon that before the end of the season he will contact Alonso doing this.
loneranger said:
He does it all the time. Again at the Silverstone start.
Sporting or unsporting?
Safe or dangerous?
Will it all end in tears?
Maybe he has been watching M Schumacher videosSporting or unsporting?
Safe or dangerous?
Will it all end in tears?
In my view nothing wrong with it, defending his position, provided he doesnt weave from one side to another isnt that considered fair.
Anyway fairly irrelevant as most overtaking occurs during pit stops
loneranger said:
Kimi, in a race, going for it, in a high speed bend, is the finest sight in current F1. The highest level of driving skill currently available for us to enjoy.
Apologies for being rude, but you're extremely one dimensional.You appear to display very little first hand knowledge, and present second hand knowledge as being fact.
What's your racing background/qualifications?
Andy M said:
loneranger said:
Kimi, in a race, going for it, in a high speed bend, is the finest sight in current F1. The highest level of driving skill currently available for us to enjoy.
Apologies for being rude, but you're extremely one dimensional.You appear to display very little first hand knowledge, and present second hand knowledge as being fact.
What's your racing background/qualifications?
Nothing wrong with that move to me .. one deviation away from racing line, but didn't leave enough room for kimi to get down the outside on the racing line anyway .. then a move back to the racing line which is all perfectly legal. What is it with you guys? This is racing the like of which F1 only sees rarely .. you complain when it's boring, you complain when it's (relatively) exciting .. sheesh!
Kimi is not the iceman anymore, He's removed it from his helmet, but like Hakkinen he doesn't moan alot about others driving, is this a finnish trait or coincidence?
I just think we should let the racers race, i'm just not to keen on the double standards, after all Lewis's roll model was Mr Schumacher
I just think we should let the racers race, i'm just not to keen on the double standards, after all Lewis's roll model was Mr Schumacher
loneranger said:
He does it all the time. Again at the Silverstone start.
Sporting or unsporting?
Safe or dangerous?
Will it all end in tears?
1. Unsporting. I've always hated the unwritten "one move" rule, but so long as the FIA don't penalise anyone for it then I guess we're stuck with it.Sporting or unsporting?
Safe or dangerous?
Will it all end in tears?
2. Safer than when Michael did it, that's for sure. Just ask Ralf...
3. Quite likely. Especially if he takes Alonso out while doing it.
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