max. penalty for missing number plate???
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Hello everybody
- new member on this forum - regular at the Z3M Coupe site and keep getting referrals here for topics + cars for sale.
ANYWAY,
so I've got radar, GSM yellow box detector and laser diffuser. They have definitely saved my licence on numerous occasions. So I thought I was well covered
.
NOW, there is a proliferation of banks of 'Average Speed' cameras going through roadworks which never seem to be happening. They read front number plates and I am defenceless against them
. A neighbour has recently damaged/cracked up my front number plate (bad parking) and I have removed it for replacement.
QUESTION: if replacement takes 6 months and I drive around in the meantime without it, what is the ultimate sanction against me. For altering plates it seems to be £30-£1,000 plus DVLA taking away your 'cherished plate' and giving you a standard one in return (my plate is standard so no worries there). Is it any more serious just not having one atall?
Have spent hours looking on the net - lots of conjecture
but nobody seems to have the DEFINITIVE answer.
Any info gratefully received
- new member on this forum - regular at the Z3M Coupe site and keep getting referrals here for topics + cars for sale.ANYWAY,
so I've got radar, GSM yellow box detector and laser diffuser. They have definitely saved my licence on numerous occasions. So I thought I was well covered
.NOW, there is a proliferation of banks of 'Average Speed' cameras going through roadworks which never seem to be happening. They read front number plates and I am defenceless against them
. A neighbour has recently damaged/cracked up my front number plate (bad parking) and I have removed it for replacement.QUESTION: if replacement takes 6 months and I drive around in the meantime without it, what is the ultimate sanction against me. For altering plates it seems to be £30-£1,000 plus DVLA taking away your 'cherished plate' and giving you a standard one in return (my plate is standard so no worries there). Is it any more serious just not having one atall?
Have spent hours looking on the net - lots of conjecture
but nobody seems to have the DEFINITIVE answer.Any info gratefully received
It's been regularly stated on here by those in the know that a missing plate is significantly less serious than a false/altered plate. Definitely no points or impoundings or anything other than a fine, which I believe is £30 (presumably that rises if you take it to court).
People have commented many times that it's a "bargain" way of avoiding pretty much all the nasty spiteful automated persecution systems that we now have to contend with. Obviously the only time that you can get the "no plate" fine is if you're stopped by plod. But people have also told stories of driving around plateless for ages past many police cars and not getting stopped once. TPTB don't seem to care, much like when people don't register their cars. The people they most enjoy clobbering are those whose paperwork and number plates are fully in order. Plenty have stated that one good way to scupper the camera system would be for all of us to start driving around without plates.
I suppose you might have problems when you're getting petrol/diesel, because I believe that at petrol stations of any size these days, no pump will start dispensing until your plate has been scanned and checked to ensure no previous bilking. You could always try parking the other way round I suppose.
Basically, if you can afford to gamble £30, I don't see why you shouldn't drag your feet as much as possible. Oh, and if you're fed up with SPECS, changing lanes between pairs of cameras will defeat them (and that's not just an urban myth). The problem is that you don't know where the pairs actually are because you don't know which cameras are dummies. However, if the number of lanes is equal to or greater than the number of camera checkpoints, that doesn't matter because you can be in a different lane for each checkpoint anyway. No more having to do 40mph on a motorway in the middle of the night when there are no workmen, no traffic and about 4 cones at the side of the road (which is one of the things which makes it entirely obvious to any sane person that cameras are nothing to do with safety).
People have commented many times that it's a "bargain" way of avoiding pretty much all the nasty spiteful automated persecution systems that we now have to contend with. Obviously the only time that you can get the "no plate" fine is if you're stopped by plod. But people have also told stories of driving around plateless for ages past many police cars and not getting stopped once. TPTB don't seem to care, much like when people don't register their cars. The people they most enjoy clobbering are those whose paperwork and number plates are fully in order. Plenty have stated that one good way to scupper the camera system would be for all of us to start driving around without plates.
I suppose you might have problems when you're getting petrol/diesel, because I believe that at petrol stations of any size these days, no pump will start dispensing until your plate has been scanned and checked to ensure no previous bilking. You could always try parking the other way round I suppose.
Basically, if you can afford to gamble £30, I don't see why you shouldn't drag your feet as much as possible. Oh, and if you're fed up with SPECS, changing lanes between pairs of cameras will defeat them (and that's not just an urban myth). The problem is that you don't know where the pairs actually are because you don't know which cameras are dummies. However, if the number of lanes is equal to or greater than the number of camera checkpoints, that doesn't matter because you can be in a different lane for each checkpoint anyway. No more having to do 40mph on a motorway in the middle of the night when there are no workmen, no traffic and about 4 cones at the side of the road (which is one of the things which makes it entirely obvious to any sane person that cameras are nothing to do with safety).
I was wondering about this! Do the cameras even know you have passed them if they don't register a plate? Or do they still record footage as well? These kind of retaliation dreams are what keep me sane with all this OTT enforcement stuff. Having said that I don't really have a problem with the idea, as they usually are in situations where if I was a road worker I wouldn't want cars passing me at 70+ mph..
Reg 6 Road Vehicles (Display or Reg Marks)Regs 2001 stipulates that front NRM has to be displayed and manner.
Section 59 Vehicles Excise and Vehicles Act 1994 provides the punishment of Max fine of £1,000 for failing to display.
Remember non fitted ANPR is going to be too pleased.....Yabbaddabbdo.
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Section 59 Vehicles Excise and Vehicles Act 1994 provides the punishment of Max fine of £1,000 for failing to display.
Remember non fitted ANPR is going to be too pleased.....Yabbaddabbdo.
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Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Tuesday 31st July 08:24
I have heard that this wet and windy weather makes it very easy for a piece of wet newspaper to become attached to a numberplate whilst it's parked up. Obviously, I do a full light, tire pressure and fluid check at every start up so fortunately I've been able to avoid this particular pit fall. However I'm sure that there are drivers out there that are less conscientious, and as such may find themselves driving around with part of their plate accidentally obscured.......
Although highly dependant on the car, there is an alternative to not having a plate.
Fit it in such a way that it can get bent backwards at an extreme angle. My old Celica had really crappy fixings on the plate that would regularly see it get bent backwards to the point it was almost pointing at the floor. I stopped bothering to straighten it after a while and drove it for 3 or 4 years with it effectively not visible - certainly not to scamera's - and even when stopped by BiB it was never commented on!
Fit it in such a way that it can get bent backwards at an extreme angle. My old Celica had really crappy fixings on the plate that would regularly see it get bent backwards to the point it was almost pointing at the floor. I stopped bothering to straighten it after a while and drove it for 3 or 4 years with it effectively not visible - certainly not to scamera's - and even when stopped by BiB it was never commented on!
I know several people who display the front plate in the front window when it has "fallen off" and waiting to be re-stuck. These often fall in to the passenger seat footwell, especially upon the movement of pulling over. So far no fines between any of them. But fine is as i understand £30, no points. I imagine some different charge could be made assuming you did not either have a legitimate (and believable) reason for it not being on there. A lot of number plates are stolen of cars in London.
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Each bank of SPECS cameras, as I see it, are 'triggered/activated' by a moving object. The ANPR technology then takes over to seek the registration number. This links in with the information from the other banks of SPECS cameras. I am only surmising; if anybody knows better then please correct me.
Dwight Van Driver - thanks for that info. I have looked up the 2 Acts. It appears that £30 is the 'roadside' fine but up to £1,000 if referred to Court.
BUT no points
.Davi - I would do this if my bumper shape allowed it. It is a brilliant idea - the plate (hanging loosely by top screws only) hangs vertical except at speed when it will be blown towards the horizontal.
Also, if I lowered the plate so that it could swing in the wind it would cover my laser diffuser and radar detector which are situated just below where the plate is at the moment.
topjay/goskins 17 - thanks for the £30 confirmation.
The Griffalo - 'keep the broken one in the boot, job's a good 'un' - that's where mine is right now
.Ultimately, I am hoping to register the car in Portugal or Spain
, with appropriate plates.What has brought this all to a head was driving up the M1 about 10 days ago. There are now long term roadworks (at the southern end) for about 10 miles but, of course, nothing happening at 7am on a Sunday AND still 3 lanes useable each way.
BUT 50 mph speed limit with bank after bank of average speed cameras. No workmen - nothing going on - no traffic - speed limit incorrect IMO.
I would have thought this would fall under the Vehicle Defect Rectification Scheme.
I think most people are in the know but if not, this is how I understand it works.
All of the various police forces throughout the country have adopted the scheme. It gives them the option of issueing you with a ticket which you must have stamped by an MOT testing station. After you or they have repaired the vehicle. They may charge a fee for this. Some stations may allow the officer on the desk check it instead if it is something simple, such as a bulb or in this case, missing number plate.
I don't think they have to give this option but if you were to get a fine, you could check their website for their policy on the matter.
The police prefer this method of enforcement as issuing a fixed penalty doesn't ensure the vehicle is made roadworthy.
The police will NOT issue a VDRS ticket if you have been in a collision of which the defect may have been a contributing factor.
As someone said earlier, the worse case scenario is that you are charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice, which you would be doing if attempting to avoid detection. There is so much doubt however as to whether someone did this deliberately for that purpose that it would never be put before a crown court.
I reckon you'd get away with a VDRS ticket if you were polite and cooperative with the copper who pulled you.
I think most people are in the know but if not, this is how I understand it works.
All of the various police forces throughout the country have adopted the scheme. It gives them the option of issueing you with a ticket which you must have stamped by an MOT testing station. After you or they have repaired the vehicle. They may charge a fee for this. Some stations may allow the officer on the desk check it instead if it is something simple, such as a bulb or in this case, missing number plate.
I don't think they have to give this option but if you were to get a fine, you could check their website for their policy on the matter.
The police prefer this method of enforcement as issuing a fixed penalty doesn't ensure the vehicle is made roadworthy.
The police will NOT issue a VDRS ticket if you have been in a collision of which the defect may have been a contributing factor.
As someone said earlier, the worse case scenario is that you are charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice, which you would be doing if attempting to avoid detection. There is so much doubt however as to whether someone did this deliberately for that purpose that it would never be put before a crown court.
I reckon you'd get away with a VDRS ticket if you were polite and cooperative with the copper who pulled you.
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