5 stud stupidity
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A little rant here about some of the assembly operators where I work as a Manufacturing Engineer.
In a workforce of about 200 I have spotted 3 car in the past 6 months with only 4 studs in each of their wheels.
Now, I have taken the trouble to find out the owner and tell them this highly dangerous fault on thier car.
The reaction has been indifference in all cases. None of them have takenm my concern seriously, even when I tell them about my mate who was hit at 80 MPH on the Motorway by a wheel in the centre carriage way (was he hit or did he hit it?)
That must be why I spent my day designing POKE YOKE which is the Japanese for Mistake Proofing, but a better translation would be IDIOT proofing.
THESE people are IDIOTS ? Or am I missing something and only 4 studs is fine ???
I put this thread in the law section because I fail to see how the cars would pass an MOT.
In a workforce of about 200 I have spotted 3 car in the past 6 months with only 4 studs in each of their wheels.
Now, I have taken the trouble to find out the owner and tell them this highly dangerous fault on thier car.
The reaction has been indifference in all cases. None of them have takenm my concern seriously, even when I tell them about my mate who was hit at 80 MPH on the Motorway by a wheel in the centre carriage way (was he hit or did he hit it?)
That must be why I spent my day designing POKE YOKE which is the Japanese for Mistake Proofing, but a better translation would be IDIOT proofing.
THESE people are IDIOTS ? Or am I missing something and only 4 studs is fine ???
I put this thread in the law section because I fail to see how the cars would pass an MOT.
SplatSpeed said:
the troble with idiot proofing is two fold
1 it fights natural selection
2 they develop a better idiot to get around it
I'm wondering if this should be a standard interview question.1 it fights natural selection
2 they develop a better idiot to get around it
If the previous owner of a car, failed to fit one of the wheel bolts would you :
a) Not worry, the wheel is still on
b) Buy it but get a new bolt asap
c) Walk away on the grounds that the owner is a feckless knob.
Our current selection process : Can you start Monday ?
gozomark said:
jacko lah said:
I put this thread in the law section because I fail to see how the cars would pass an MOT.
why would it fail if it was designed with only 4, or am I missing something ?Or maybe I'm just pessimistic ?
My car has 4 holes on PCD of 100 mm and 4 bolts on each wheel. If there were 5 holes I'd have 5 bolts.
If any of these cars are ever used for the purposes of the employer's business, and if there's an accident due to say a wheel coming off, the employer may be held responsible. Sounds mad but that's the law. On that basis I think you have grounds to tell them to fix their cars.
Alternatively advise the BiB?
Alternatively advise the BiB?
Andy Zarse said:
If any of these cars are ever used for the purposes of the employer's business, and if there's an accident due to say a wheel coming off, the employer may be held responsible. Sounds mad but that's the law. On that basis I think you have grounds to tell them to fix their cars.
Alternatively advise the BiB?
They are assembly or test operators. They'd not be allowed to use own car on business and would need to show accounts dept their licence before using a pool car. Alternatively advise the BiB?
I'm not about to inform BIB, but it would be nice to know that at some time in the future the car would fail an MOT.
I can imagine their indifference, the same sort you get when you point out under-inflated tyres or tyres with no tread left.
I do check the tyres on my cars fairly frequently, but never make a point of looking at the studs - and I would have to make a point as they are deeply embedded in the wheel so I'd have to get very close the wheel.
It would be very easy for someone to sabotage a car by removing the bolts, I only have one locking bolt per wheel.
I do check the tyres on my cars fairly frequently, but never make a point of looking at the studs - and I would have to make a point as they are deeply embedded in the wheel so I'd have to get very close the wheel.
It would be very easy for someone to sabotage a car by removing the bolts, I only have one locking bolt per wheel.
LeoSayer said:
I can imagine their indifference, the same sort you get when you point out tyres with no tread left.
It would be very easy for someone to sabotage a car by removing the bolts, I only have one locking bolt per wheel.
I've stopped pointing out bald tyres, and initially I thought someone was trying to sabotage the 1st car, so was surprised to get the indifference really. It would be very easy for someone to sabotage a car by removing the bolts, I only have one locking bolt per wheel.
jacko lah said:
twister said:
I think what the OP is concerned about are people driving around in cars with missing wheel *nuts*, as opposed to wheels designed for a certain number of studs as the opening post seems to suggest...
It was clear to me that's what I meant. Thanks. jacko lah said:
twister said:
I think what the OP is concerned about are people driving around in cars with missing wheel *nuts*, as opposed to wheels designed for a certain number of studs as the opening post seems to suggest...
It was clear to me that's what I meant. Thanks. ... trouble is that it is not just limited to wheel nuts (or bolts) and tyres, although I'll grant you this is one of the most common problems.
I have lost count of the number of times I have seen (or heard) a car with one or more nasty mechanical noises eminating from it. Quite often the sort of grinding noise that I would associate with brake disks worn to the backing plates (and which consequently offer precious little braking force.)
On a different note, on Saturday I saw a Carina E with a dent in it's front wing big enough that the tyre was catching against it when turning at a junction (and having chunks carved out of the tyre at the same time).
An annual MOT is fine (you can't expect people to have their cars tested every week for roadworthy-ness) but this is just another example of why an unpoliced road network (which is what we have) is lethally dangerous.
Oli.
I have lost count of the number of times I have seen (or heard) a car with one or more nasty mechanical noises eminating from it. Quite often the sort of grinding noise that I would associate with brake disks worn to the backing plates (and which consequently offer precious little braking force.)
On a different note, on Saturday I saw a Carina E with a dent in it's front wing big enough that the tyre was catching against it when turning at a junction (and having chunks carved out of the tyre at the same time).
An annual MOT is fine (you can't expect people to have their cars tested every week for roadworthy-ness) but this is just another example of why an unpoliced road network (which is what we have) is lethally dangerous.
Oli.
What is really worrying, is that these people are totally incapable of noticing these things. A bit like not knowing that their tyre pressures are low, as if the flat tyres weren't a giveaway? TBH, if the tyres had been painted bright blue, they still wouldn't notice.
I just happened to glance at a colleagues Saab recently, and immediately noticed that one nut was missing from each wheel. It had been serviced a few months back and the locking wheel nuts had been left until last, then forgotten completely. And how many times had he washed the car and one would assume, the wheels, since? Yet had not noticed.
Mind you, i'm the sort of person who is always casually telling folks that their front nearside tyre is flat/bald/tracking out/whatever or that a brake light is out. Many weeks later, still the same.
I just happened to glance at a colleagues Saab recently, and immediately noticed that one nut was missing from each wheel. It had been serviced a few months back and the locking wheel nuts had been left until last, then forgotten completely. And how many times had he washed the car and one would assume, the wheels, since? Yet had not noticed.
Mind you, i'm the sort of person who is always casually telling folks that their front nearside tyre is flat/bald/tracking out/whatever or that a brake light is out. Many weeks later, still the same.
Edited by Balmoral Green on Tuesday 31st July 17:27
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