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Boggy

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4,603 posts

266 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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2 Eleven write up top mark's!

Boggy

Bing o

15,184 posts

250 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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I was amazed they managed to write a whole article about a car without mentioning climate change or global warming....

Boggy

Original Poster:

4,603 posts

266 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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Bing o said:
I was amazed they managed to write a whole article about a car without mentioning climate change or global warming....
To be honest I don't think it's a concern of Lotus, they make very environmentally friendly car's as they are so light etc. Sure lotus are concerned with global warming but they are ahead of the game already (Bio car) The fact of all this is simple anyway, it doesn't matter what we do in this country to cut green house gasses India, America & China will wipe it out in less than a year! the cold hard fact is that were not big enough to make a difference? as far as I'm concerned it's the old Paul Daniel's trick anyway, they've got us all going on about global warming worrying about that nonsense and behind our back's the government has another agenda and are doing something else £? I'm not that stupid and I'm surprised at some people being so easily lead

Boggy

bing

1,946 posts

269 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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Yep great article!!!! I sooooo want one now!!!! Even tho I don't really do track days!!!

Boggy

Original Poster:

4,603 posts

266 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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bing said:
Yep great article!!!! I sooooo want one now!!!! Even tho I don't really do track days!!!
I love them to, some one we know is just waiting for heir's to built now

Boggy

DsDetective

118 posts

234 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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Did you also catch the Evo article in the latest mag, pages 144 to 150. A head to head against an Elfin. The guy was a real sceptic going into it but ended up loving it - another full marks write-up.

Now, how much would an old hatch-back for the week cost me...

bing

1,946 posts

269 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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DsDetective said:
Now, how much would an old hatch-back for the week cost me...
Good Point!!!!

Bing o

15,184 posts

250 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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Boggy said:
Bing o said:
I was amazed they managed to write a whole article about a car without mentioning climate change or global warming....
To be honest I don't think it's a concern of Lotus, they make very environmentally friendly car's as they are so light etc. Sure lotus are concerned with global warming but they are ahead of the game already (Bio car) The fact of all this is simple anyway, it doesn't matter what we do in this country to cut green house gasses India, America & China will wipe it out in less than a year! the cold hard fact is that were not big enough to make a difference? as far as I'm concerned it's the old Paul Daniel's trick anyway, they've got us all going on about global warming worrying about that nonsense and behind our back's the government has another agenda and are doing something else £?
I know that, you know that, but you must admit that the Metro usually spouts a lot of environmental shite - might have been nice for them to point out Lotus' green cars etc though.

Boggy said:
I'm not that stupid
Boggy said:
I'm surprised at some people being so easily lead
Are you sure smile We seem to be on a massive guilt trip in this country that anything we enjoy must be damaging something and we must pay tax/offsets to salve our consciousness. I suppose they try and tap into the "right on, liberal yoghurt knitters" you get in London.

Anyway, fantastic car, and brightened up my trip to the office!!

sequential

70 posts

243 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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Great car, but it has no chance against the KTM X-Bow driving

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/

Boggy

Original Poster:

4,603 posts

266 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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Bing o said:
Boggy said:
Bing o said:
I was amazed they managed to write a whole article about a car without mentioning climate change or global warming....
To be honest I don't think it's a concern of Lotus, they make very environmentally friendly car's as they are so light etc. Sure lotus are concerned with global warming but they are ahead of the game already (Bio car) The fact of all this is simple anyway, it doesn't matter what we do in this country to cut green house gasses India, America & China will wipe it out in less than a year! the cold hard fact is that were not big enough to make a difference? as far as I'm concerned it's the old Paul Daniel's trick anyway, they've got us all going on about global warming worrying about that nonsense and behind our back's the government has another agenda and are doing something else £?
I know that, you know that, but you must admit that the Metro usually spouts a lot of environmental shite - might have been nice for them to point out Lotus' green cars etc though.

Boggy said:
I'm not that stupid
Boggy said:
I'm surprised at some people being so easily lead
Are you sure smile We seem to be on a massive guilt trip in this country that anything we enjoy must be damaging something and we must pay tax/offsets to salve our consciousness. I suppose they try and tap into the "right on, liberal yoghurt knitters" you get in London.

Anyway, fantastic car, and brightened up my trip to the office!!
I might buy a V8 Range Rover and then drive it into Canary Wharf everday just to pi** people offtongue out

Boggy

S Works

10,166 posts

281 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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sequential said:
Great car, but it has no chance against the KTM X-Bow driving

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/
Has this even turned a wheel in anger yet?

kevin ritson

3,423 posts

258 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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I'd wait and see with the X-Bow. It looks nice but bear in mind it's KTM's first attempt at a car, plus they're quoting 40K, yet it has carbon fibre parts on the car...doesn't quite add up.

I've heard a few sceptical noises too but having said that it'll be interesting to see how it turns out, even if it does have a german washing machine engine. biggrin

Stephanie Plum

2,797 posts

242 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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S Works said:
sequential said:
Great car, but it has no chance against the KTM X-Bow driving

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/
Has this even turned a wheel in anger yet?
I heard they haven't even built the production line yet......

S Works

10,166 posts

281 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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kevin ritson said:
I'd wait and see with the X-Bow. It looks nice but bear in mind it's KTM's first attempt at a car, plus they're quoting 40K, yet it has carbon fibre parts on the car...doesn't quite add up.

I've heard a few sceptical noises too but having said that it'll be interesting to see how it turns out, even if it does have a german washing machine engine. biggrin
My thoughts exactly mate. Looks fantastic, but the proof of the pudding and all that...

Boggy

Original Poster:

4,603 posts

266 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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Don't want to put it down to much but I've owned a fair amount of Motocross bikes in my time and KTM aren't the most reliable, wouldn't touch it with a barge poll

Boggy

sequential

70 posts

243 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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Stephanie Plum said:
S Works said:
sequential said:
Great car, but it has no chance against the KTM X-Bow driving

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/
Has this even turned a wheel in anger yet?
I heard they haven't even built the production line yet......
I don't think they need to own the production line, they just need access to expertise - just look at how successful the Porsche-Valmet relationship has been for the Boxster

sequential

70 posts

243 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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S Works said:
kevin ritson said:
I'd wait and see with the X-Bow. It looks nice but bear in mind it's KTM's first attempt at a car, plus they're quoting 40K, yet it has carbon fibre parts on the car...doesn't quite add up.

I've heard a few sceptical noises too but having said that it'll be interesting to see how it turns out, even if it does have a german washing machine engine. biggrin
My thoughts exactly mate. Looks fantastic, but the proof of the pudding and all that...
Apparantly, there was one at Goodwood recently -- not sure if it worked or not though...

sequential

70 posts

243 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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Boggy said:
Don't want to put it down to much but I've owned a fair amount of Motocross bikes in my time and KTM aren't the most reliable, wouldn't touch it with a barge poll

Boggy
Point taken, although the Elise is not that reliable and well built either...

Bing o

15,184 posts

250 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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If you want reliability then no sportscars are going to tick the box really (maybe excluding Porkers...but I hear that they go bang sometimes...)

S Works

10,166 posts

281 months

Friday 3rd August 2007
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sequential said:
Stephanie Plum said:
S Works said:
sequential said:
Great car, but it has no chance against the KTM X-Bow driving

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/
Has this even turned a wheel in anger yet?
I heard they haven't even built the production line yet......
I don't think they need to own the production line, they just need access to expertise - just look at how successful the Porsche-Valmet relationship has been for the Boxster
I think what Stephanie was alluding to was perhaps the tooling required to produce the cars, not necessarily the line itself.

Either way. The X-Bow, whilst it looks very cool and sounds good on paper, is unproven on road or track. The Elige chassis on which the 2-eleven is built, is well-proven. Given that the 2-eleven (or at least the development hack) has been run in hillclimbs with some success, and has been thrashed to high-heaven by various test drivers, racing drivers and journo's and been given good reviews, I defy anyone to say that (at the moment) the X-Bow is a threat to it.

I say again. The proof of the pudding...