7min .37 sec .. 997 GT2 on the ring !

[timmo]

Reading a report from KTM on the new X-Bow they reported that Sir Walter is going to the ring to set a time for the new 997 GT2 toaday !

Rumours that the Michelin test driver had just done a 7.37 !

[AdamT]

Thats fantastic,

Am i right in remembering Walter R did a 7:40 in a 997 RS?

thanks,
adam

[Hammerwerfer]

Looks like a perfect day for it!

[Davey S2]

How much would you pay to get to sit in the passenger seat for a flying lap in a 997 GT 2 with him at the wheel?!

[AdamT]

Davey S2 said:

How much would you pay to get to sit in the passenger seat for a flying lap in a 997 GT 2 with him at the wheel?!

Alot.

[timmo]

Well last year Sean Paul had the honour of a lap in the new 997GT3 RS in Viper Green around the Nordschliefe in the wet and on a tourist day !

I got him to sign the Inside of my bonnet ( the picture was in Autocar !!!)

What was the Carrera GT time ?

[Dr S]

Carrera GT was 07:32

[Davey S2]

Dr S said:

Carrera GT was 07:32

7:28 according to Wikipedia with Mr Rohrl at the wheel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_...

Edited by Davey S2 on Friday 3rd August 12:31

[Wanta996(Gotta)]

Carrera GT 07:32? Thats quick for a fully fledged supercar around the ring? Anyone know the Enzo and LP60 times or what the 959 did it in? Ignore if its too off-topic.

Just looked on the above - Great stuff.

Edited by Wanta996(Gotta) on Friday 3rd August 12:38

[Wetwipe]

timmo said:

Well last year Sean Paul had the honour of a lap in the new 997GT3 RS in Viper Green around the Nordschliefe in the wet and on a tourist day !

I got him to sign the Inside of my bonnet ( the picture was in Autocar !!!)

What was the Carrera GT time ?

I remember. a great pic. right foot in the luggage compartment iirc

what a signature to have under the bonnet of your car. priceless

[SidewaysSid]

Davey S2 said:

How much would you pay to get to sit in the passenger seat for a flying lap in a 997 GT 2 with him at the wheel?!

About half of what I'd pay to get out just before he starts the flying lap!

[SidewaysSid]

Wetwipe said:

timmo said:

Well last year Sean Paul had the honour of a lap in the new 997GT3 RS in Viper Green around the Nordschliefe in the wet and on a tourist day !

I got him to sign the Inside of my bonnet ( the picture was in Autocar !!!)

What was the Carrera GT time ?

I remember. a great pic. right foot in the luggage compartment iirc

what a signature to have under the bonnet of your car. priceless

Just proves that Wal has a sense of humour...it's signed Victor Meldrew!

[flemke]

Dr S said:

Carrera GT was 07:32

That would have been done on the standard CGT tyres, which are hard and have quite a bit of negative space (wear rating of 220, IIRC, whereas the wear rating on the Corsa is 60 or 80).
All these GT3 times (amongst others) are done on Cups or Corsas or similar. If such were available in CGT size, I'd guess it would mean at least a 10 sec improvement on 7:32 (AFAIK, no one has ever publicly confirmed "7:28", so for now it remains an urban myth).
If someone is gunning for the fastest possible time in the 97GT3, they too will be using a track-day tyre, and its time will not be comparable to CGT's.

[Dr S]

flemke said:

Dr S said:

Carrera GT was 07:32

That would have been done on the standard CGT tyres, which are hard and have quite a bit of negative space (wear rating of 220, IIRC, whereas the wear rating on the Corsa is 60 or 80).
All these GT3 times (amongst others) are done on Cups or Corsas or similar. If such were available in CGT size, I'd guess it would mean at least a 10 sec improvement on 7:32 (AFAIK, no one has ever publicly confirmed "7:28", so for now it remains an urban myth).
If someone is gunning for the fastest possible time in the 97GT3, they too will be using a track-day tyre, and its time will not be comparable to CGT's.

2nded. The 07:32 was done by von Saurma at the wheel with standard tyres IIRC. The GT3 times were done on cups from the 996RS onwards

[vin_r1]

A site with lap times of various cars for comparison.


http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp

[Guyr]

The only thing with Herr Rohls times is they tend to be in alignment with Porsches marketing machine ie 997s are faster than 996 and RS is faster than GT3 etc, so I wonder how influenced by marketing they are.

By comparison the independent Sport Auto Supertests often come up with different results such as GT3 and RS versions of 997 at the same laptime and the 996RS 1 sec faster than both.........

[Hammerwerfer]

Guyr said:

The only thing with Herr Rohls times is they tend to be in alignment with Porsches marketing machine ie 997s are faster than 996 and RS is faster than GT3 etc, so I wonder how influenced by marketing they are.

By comparison the independent Sport Auto Supertests often come up with different results such as GT3 and RS versions of 997 at the same laptime and the 996RS 1 sec faster than both.........

Unless all the cars are tested simultaneously, the laps times are fairly meaningless. The track changes from hour to hour, never mind day to day. And of course some of those tests would be separated by years. The changes due to repaving work alone are quite significant.

I would guess that Porsche try to find the ideal time to test, yesterday for example. An automoblie magazine might not have the luxury of waiting for that ideal day, hence the disparities.

I wonder just how much Herr Rohrl has slowed down over the years.

Edited by Hammerwerfer on Saturday 4th August 09:35

[7357]

vin_r1 said:

A site with lap times of various cars for comparison.


http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp

Hmm...

It says GT3 (mk1) 8.03 ?? I read somewhere that the mk1 GT3 was the first car do lap the 'Ring in under 8 mins ! 7.56 springs to mind ??

[tonikaram]

timmo said:

Well last year Sean Paul had the honour of a lap in the new 997GT3 RS in Viper Green around the Nordschliefe in the wet and on a tourist day !

I got him to sign the Inside of my bonnet ( the picture was in Autocar !!!)

This Sean Paul?

Hammerwerfer said:

Unless all the cars are tested simultaneously, the laps times are fairly meaningless. The track changes from hour to hour, never mind day to day. And of course some of those tests would be separated by years. The changes due to repaving work alone are quite significant.

This statement is what makes most sense to me. Especially on such a long track, you really need to have many groups in many different circumstances, and average everything out, from many different tries, and still this doesn't sound accurate enough to me..

When the difference is only a few seconds between 2 cars on an 8 minute track, can't tell what the car really does unless 2 drivers do their best on either cars on the same day and then switch cars and average out.

Kay