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My brother-in-law just had a run-in with the BIB in Sussex after he thought he was having some fun with a like minded person in a Renault 5 GT Turbo (how old must that be). Turned out to be a traffic cop.
Then just heard that a pal in Lincolnshire advertised his lowered and chipped Alfa 164 3.0 24v, and sold it - to the local police!
A new dirty tricks strategy?
Then just heard that a pal in Lincolnshire advertised his lowered and chipped Alfa 164 3.0 24v, and sold it - to the local police!
A new dirty tricks strategy?
i remember uxbridge police having a mk1 escort rs mexico and a mk2 rs2000.that fooled a couple of people the first night and then everybody knew about it (through the magic of cb radio!!)
the astra's without hubcaps were a bit of a giveaway!!
>> Edited by cortinaman on Tuesday 3rd June 22:33
the astra's without hubcaps were a bit of a giveaway!!
>> Edited by cortinaman on Tuesday 3rd June 22:33
Wasted Bullet said: Are not the police were only able to stop you for traffic offences if they were in a marked police car?
That is why all speed camera's are now highlighted yellow???
Anyone that know about this please comment...
I think you are saying that the Police can only stop you for speeding if they are in a marked car. That is completely incorrect.
Many forces run unmarked enforcement cars which are fitted with all the latest speed detection equipment.
I would very much doubt if the Renault 5 Turbo was an official Police car, nor the Alfa Romeo. They are probably private cars belonging to Police officers.
Just because they are private cars, does not mean that any incident witnessed by the Police officer driving it cannot deal with the incident.
Police Policy (certainly in my force) states that unmarked or private vehicles not fitted with the appropraite warning equipment will not be used to perform stopping of other vehicles (for obvious reasons).
A car as old as the Renault 5 will be very unlikely to be purchased by a Police authority. There are much better vehicles to use which are more reliable than an old tank!
Madcop is correct in what he says......
We run a number of unmarked Vauxhalls and BMWs around the North West London area including the A40,A406 and the M1 and to be fair, i havent met one person that hasnt deserved a summons.
(we are not talking just over the limit.....mostly in excess of 40mph over with what i can only describe as LaxPower manouvres!)
We run a number of unmarked Vauxhalls and BMWs around the North West London area including the A40,A406 and the M1 and to be fair, i havent met one person that hasnt deserved a summons.
(we are not talking just over the limit.....mostly in excess of 40mph over with what i can only describe as LaxPower manouvres!)
The Watford area has had it's fair share of 'unmarked' cars in the past. An M3 (E36 shape) new shape 3 series badged as a 318i, Sierra Cosworth, Subaru, Volvo T4 in white. The cosworth sat at the lights next to my friend and I in his Renault 19 16v (yes I now the cossie was much quicker) it sat there revving it's engine and creeping forward on the red light, we suddly noticed the extra rear view mirrors and the two arials on the roof, as it pulled away you could see the digital scolling txt thing (used to read slow down, pull over etc..) I would imagine that had we tried anything off the lights then we'd have been pulled, rightly in that we'd have been breaking the law but coerced in part, sure that BIB would have denied all knowledge of that sort of thing. Did notice that the 318i had pulled a car in the bus lane but was very quickly joined by a panda car, not sure if this was just passing or if required?? the 318i had the old blue flashers going behind the grill.
Unless that police car was able to demostate that it was in fact driven by police i.e. blue lights, etc. etc then i'd not be happy at pulling over at night for two blokes in a car - bit off topic sorry !!
Unless that police car was able to demostate that it was in fact driven by police i.e. blue lights, etc. etc then i'd not be happy at pulling over at night for two blokes in a car - bit off topic sorry !!
Not a new trick at all. My one and only ticket (so far)came about 25 years ago from "racing" a lime green MGB GT V8 in a 1600e on the A405 dual carriageway from Garston up to the M1. I was asked to pull over when the MG drew level at a set of lights. No blue lights but a tiny stop sign in the rear window.
madcop said:
A car as old as the Renault 5 will be very unlikely to be purchased by a Police authority. There are much better vehicles to use which are more reliable than an old tank!
Well this event did take place in Sussex, and I am suprised by how old many cars belonging to the Sussex force are. It was only a couple of weeks ago that I witnessed one of their Freelanders being bump-started mind you the officer had left the lights on whilst he chatted to his mates!
I would be suprised to be pulled over by Police in a Renault 5, and I suspect it was either someone pretending to be a police officer or as Madcop said someone in their own car. Was the brother in law charged with any offense?
deltaf said: D Drinks, Madcop addressed your concerns a little while back.
He reckoned IIRC, that you could go to the first closest cop shop, or maybe pull over and call the cops on your mobile to see who it was following you.
Cheers deltaf remebered something along those lines but not the details - cheers D
The "egging "on technique as described actually does exist.
Go to pepipoo and read all about it.
Its that kind of incident that started that site.
Scumbag in a volvo t5 running up behind and tailgating folks..a PC Chris Herdman , if i remember correctly.
Numerous complaints about him!
Check it out.
Go to pepipoo and read all about it.
Its that kind of incident that started that site.
Scumbag in a volvo t5 running up behind and tailgating folks..a PC Chris Herdman , if i remember correctly.
Numerous complaints about him!
Check it out.
pdavison said: There used to be an unmarked Impreza Turbo that used to patrol the M3. I remember seeing the 'egging on' technique being used on a number of occassions to unsuspecting motorists.
would tailgating be included in 'egging on'? a while ago i was being tailgated by an unmarked burgundy omega and speed up then got pulled. no points though so i wasn't too bothered.
It depends whether or not they get caught (same as the public), or you have proof and this is where my bullet cam comes in very handy.
The corresponding offence codes for:
...aiding, abetting, counselling or procuring (2)
...causing or permitting (4)
...inticing (6)
Replace the '0' at the end of the offence code you are thinking off with the one in brackets and you have the corresponding offence (i.e. racing on the public highway is a MS50, inticing the same would be MS56)
The corresponding offence codes for:
...aiding, abetting, counselling or procuring (2)
...causing or permitting (4)
...inticing (6)
Replace the '0' at the end of the offence code you are thinking off with the one in brackets and you have the corresponding offence (i.e. racing on the public highway is a MS50, inticing the same would be MS56)
tim_s said:
would tailgating be included in 'egging on'? a while ago i was being tailgated by an unmarked burgundy omega and speed up then got pulled. no points though so i wasn't too bothered.
It would be unlikely to be entrapment. The driver being coerced has a choice to ignore the actions of the officer. Another course would be to pull over and let the Police officer past. There are many options available to avoid committing a traffic offence other than competeing with someone who may be trying to get you to commit one.
'Entrapment' is used as defences for criminal acts rather than traffic offences because of the reasons above. It is also an American term and not specifically used in British law under that title.
Most instances of instances of 'entrapment' in the British system will be breaches of PACE 1984 or at worst Attempting to Pervert Justice.
Leaving valuable goods in a car in a car park on display with a sting operation around it is not entrapment.
An example of 'Entrapment' would be getting someone suspected of dealing in drugs but with no evidence available to support arrest or charge, to become involved in a series of events which were set up by the Police to get the evidence required.
minimax said:
nigelbasson said: Question: Wouldn't a police driver who egged on another driver to commit an offence liable to be accused of entrapment? Or have I just been watching too many US films?
Iing hope so because that is one hell of an abuse of power
I think this may have been answered by Madcop......
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