Now the DVLA cameras are parking illegally

[mybrainhurts]

Spotted a few weeks ago next to Manchester airport.

DVLA ANPR camera and Vectra parked on a footpath that leads into a housing estate on the other side of the road...

DVLA man didn't like me taking photos....

[tractor boy]'E'll 'ave my fookin' trousers down...'e didn't like that...'E DID NOT LIKE THAT[/tractor boy]///

An acquaintance received a fine through the post from that camera.

Fair enough, but...

His car WAS taxed. He bought it several months earlier, transferred a private plate and taxed it at a DVLA office. He is not a happy chappie...

[PaulW21781]

There appears to be some water coming from under the engine... I wonder if it pissed its coolant all over the floor :lol:

Still, amazing how its 1 law for one, and 1 for another...

What would the situation be if say a parent was coming down the path with a child in a push chair, or even an old person / disabled person in a wheel chair??

[lunarscope]

You should have parked-up a little way in front of the camera, thereby blocking its view of the oncoming traffic.
No offence committed as the 'double yellows' are broken and therefore invalid.
Also, as it would have been manned by a DVLA employee, there could be no offence of "obstructing a Police Officer...".

[Dwight VanDriver]

I consider this to be unlawful for two reasons:

Road Traffic Act 1988

34.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, if without lawful authority a person drives a motor vehicle—
(b) on any road being a footpath or bridleway,
he is guilty of an offence.

A person shall not be convicted of an offence under this section with respect to a vehicle if he proves to the satisfaction of the court that it was driven in contravention of this section for the purpose of saving life or extinguishing fire or meeting any other like emergency.

Note without lawful authority though.

But
Section 72 Highways Act 1835
Similar offence wilfully driving a carriage onto a footpath.

Under either of these there are no exemptions for police (enforcement) purposes.

Brannan v Peek 1947 - wrong for PC to commit an offence to detect an ofdfence.

(Plods read Police Review 27.10.06 Page 30)

dvd

[whyohwhy]

Sorry but would far rather see this kind of camera than the talivan type. I have no problem seeing the non taxed and non insured getting nicked

[mybrainhurts]

whyohwhy said:

Sorry but would far rather see this kind of camera than the talivan type. I have no problem seeing the non taxed and non insured getting nicked

Read my post again...

[Parrot of Doom]

I wonder how families with prams are supposed to get around that vehicle?

He doesn't need to park there. He could park near the gates where the planes fly over, and quite legally too.

[MilnerR]

Did you go and check his tax disc?

[mybrainhurts]

MilnerR said:

Did you go and check his tax disc?

No, he chased me to Liverpool.....

[whyohwhy]

lunarscope said:

You should have parked-up a little way in front of the camera, thereby blocking its view of the oncoming traffic.
No offence committed as the 'double yellows' are broken and therefore invalid.
Also, as it would have been manned by a DVLA employee, there could be no offence of "obstructing a Police Officer...".

If you could park behind the camera without offence because the lines are broken then the camera van isn't committing an offence either.

Like I said I would rather they used these cameras than speed cameras, a colleagues stolen car was recently found using one of these.

And I am sure that the OP's colleague/friends fine would be revoked if he could prove his car was taxed.

[Hooli]

so thats what those cameras are. been seeing one near clacton several times behind a red puegeot van & had been wondering.

[Nick_F]

whyohwhy said:

lunarscope said:

You should have parked-up a little way in front of the camera, thereby blocking its view of the oncoming traffic.
No offence committed as the 'double yellows' are broken and therefore invalid.
Also, as it would have been manned by a DVLA employee, there could be no offence of "obstructing a Police Officer...".

If you could park behind the camera without offence because the lines are broken then the camera van isn't committing an offence either.

Like I said I would rather they used these cameras than speed cameras, a colleagues stolen car was recently found using one of these.

And I am sure that the OP's colleague/friends fine would be revoked if he could prove his car was taxed.

Camera car is parked on the pavement, not the broken yellow lines. No problem with ANPR, but it can be done more professionally than this.

[mybrainhurts]

whyohwhy said:

And I am sure that the OP's colleague/friends fine would be revoked if he could prove his car was taxed.

True, but have you ever tried to get sense out of a DVLA office..?

I've wasted two days convincing them they were wrong and I was right.

Which is a veritable pain in the arse.

My friend has sent a photocopy of the tax disc back to the DVLA office, and waits to see what happens.

[havoc]

PaulW21781 said:

There appears to be some water coming from under the engine... I wonder if it pissed its coolant all over the floor :lol:

Aircon condenser, at a guess...


Oh, and two main points:-
- I agree with ANPR operations (the penalty issued to the mate is a DVLA database cock-up, not the fault of the ANPR operator);
- But their non-compliance with the law, in the current climate, will not do public/authorities relations any good at all. to that chappy or his bosses!

[Andy Zarse]

I like the way the Vauxhall's got a sticker in the rear window saying "VEHICLE" . This is presumably to remind the nincompoop of a DVLA operator what a vehicle actually looks like. He certainly doesn't seem to be over-blessed with the old grey matter does he?

[havoc]

Andy Zarse said:

I like the way the Vauxhall's got a sticker in the rear window saying "VEHICLE" . This is presumably to remind the nincompoop of a DVLA operator what a vehicle actually looks like. He certainly doesn't seem to be over-blessed with the old grey matter does he?

I think you'll find that's a scrolling digital display...

[carrotchomper]

Andy Zarse said:

I like the way the Vauxhall's got a sticker in the rear window saying "VEHICLE" . This is presumably to remind the nincompoop of a DVLA operator what a vehicle actually looks like. He certainly doesn't seem to be over-blessed with the old grey matter does he?

How on earth have you deduced his intelligence level from 3 pictures? I cannot see this being a well-used pavement and if it catches untaxed drivers then fair play.

[paulsm]

People who park on pavements anger me greatly, do they seriously expect someone in a wheelchair or someone with a pushchair to jump down onto the road, travel along the road the length of the car then get themselves back up onto the pavement without getting squashed!

[Mr2Mike]

Parrot of Doom said:

I wonder how families with prams are supposed to get around that vehicle?

The pram would almost certainly catch one of the legs of the camera...

Why do they leave themselves open to ridicule by doing this sort of thing?

[whyohwhy]

By the look of the pictures he could have parked further in and left room to get past, but then he would be hiding wouldn't he.

Is this a pavement which is used by prams/wheelchairs??