Wing it?
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LuckyP

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Wednesday 8th August 2007
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This weekend is Fighting Torque.

What is the fastest anyone has been without a wing. I wanna hear stories of what the car is like at 160+ without one.

If I like it without, then the following weekend I'll Vmax it without and give a true back to back with and without report.

Do I hear the words:

"Rotate.....flying!!"

Edited by LuckyP on Wednesday 8th August 17:02


Edited by LuckyP on Wednesday 8th August 20:40

andygtt

8,345 posts

293 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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184mph without the wing or the roof at Vmax for me.... it was hard to slow the bloody thing down tho so brake earlier.

Also been a bit faster than that in unoffical 'it didn't actually happen' circumstances without the wing as well with no issues at all.

edited to add that other than the brakes laking bite at high speed the car drove fine and certainly wasn't unstable.

Edited by andygtt on Wednesday 8th August 17:59

d3vine

699 posts

297 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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Will anyone crack 200mph without the wing?

Hammer Zeit

735 posts

231 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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Rear wing will just slow the car up if its just in a straight line. No need for a wing, hence the low drag shape of land speed record cars.

bluesatin

3,115 posts

301 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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The Wing and front splitter make a significant difference to braking. The faster you go the more you need to brake. If serious I would use the front slitter and box the sections under the engine to reduce drag.

Hammer Zeit

735 posts

231 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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bluesatin said:
The Wing and front splitter make a significant difference to braking. The faster you go the more you need to brake. If serious I would use the front slitter and box the sections under the engine to reduce drag.


Why not put gas struts on the engine cover and link them with the brakes so its like an airbrake.

Only stability really, why would you possibly brake so hard that you scrub off speed quickly? Engine braking and gradual foot braking, you need to reduce speed gently when travelling at such high speed.

andygtt

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293 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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At Brunters you have a huge bank at the end that you really need to brake before you hit it...... the car was stable under braking but the brakes were just severly reduced above 150mph.

LuckyP

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Wednesday 8th August 2007
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Hammer Zeit said:
bluesatin said:
The Wing and front splitter make a significant difference to braking. The faster you go the more you need to brake. If serious I would use the front slitter and box the sections under the engine to reduce drag.


Why not put gas struts on the engine cover and link them with the brakes so its like an airbrake.

Only stability really, why would you possibly brake so hard that you scrub off speed quickly? Engine braking and gradual foot braking, you need to reduce speed gently when travelling at such high speed.
Not too sure about the engine cover...you do know which way it hinges don't ya?!!

At certain Vmaxes the braking has to be a little harsher than one would like as the braking area is not as long as you'd want!!


LuckyP

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Wednesday 8th August 2007
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andygtt said:
184mph without the wing or the roof at Vmax for me.... it was hard to slow the bloody thing down tho so brake earlier.

Also been a bit faster than that in unoffical 'it didn't actually happen' circumstances without the wing as well with no issues at all.

edited to add that other than the brakes laking bite at high speed the car drove fine and certainly wasn't unstable.

Edited by andygtt on Wednesday 8th August 17:59
That's good to know. I think I'll go without and see how it goes on Sunday and use it as a learning curve for the following week's Vmax - Sunrise.

Any GTRs run high speeds without wing?

BTW - I had it cleared for the factory's 720 to run at Vmax. They declined due to holiday commitments. frown I did offer to drive it for them......but was turned down!! Fancy that!!

They are still after entrants at the Vmax Sunrise Sunday 19th Aug. Come on peeps, have a crack.

Lucky

d3vine

699 posts

297 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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I would like to see an Ultima on top of the Porsche at VMAX. 207mph? Comon, one of you Ultima owner's can top that!

bluesatin

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301 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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Hammer

Do you have experience of high speeds on a runway in an ultima?

LuckyP

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Wednesday 8th August 2007
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d3vine said:
I would like to see an Ultima on top of the Porsche at VMAX. 207mph? Comon, one of you Ultima owner's can top that!
Factory reckon 207 would be easily achievable, with the production 720.

PROVE IT!!

Hammer Zeit

735 posts

231 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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bluesatin said:
Hammer

Do you have experience of high speeds on a runway in an ultima?
High speeds on a runway yes, in an Ultima no, but I have a good grasp of braking and high speed driving in a race situation. Race car aerodynamics too!

Edited by Hammer Zeit on Wednesday 8th August 22:43

andygtt

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Wednesday 8th August 2007
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LuckyP said:
d3vine said:
I would like to see an Ultima on top of the Porsche at VMAX. 207mph? Comon, one of you Ultima owner's can top that!
Factory reckon 207 would be easily achievable, with the production 720.

PROVE IT!!
LOL

Would be good to actually see the car doing these event, such a shame they choose to only do these kind of runs behind closed doors and always make excuses for group events.

LuckyP

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Thursday 9th August 2007
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andygtt said:
LuckyP said:
d3vine said:
I would like to see an Ultima on top of the Porsche at VMAX. 207mph? Comon, one of you Ultima owner's can top that!
Factory reckon 207 would be easily achievable, with the production 720.

PROVE IT!!
LOL

Would be good to actually see the car doing these event, such a shame they choose to only do these kind of runs behind closed doors and always make excuses for group events.
Forgot to mention......I offered to pay their entry fee too!!

shithotfast

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297 months

Thursday 9th August 2007
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Wonder if anyone asked at the ultima open day about the general "Ultima and tests situation?" IE why Ultima seem reluctant to attend? could be a very simple answer.?? I am certainly curious.

Good luck with the 207mph,... but things happen very quickly at that speed so dont take any chances!

LuckyP

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Thursday 9th August 2007
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shithotfast said:
Wonder if anyone asked at the ultima open day about the general "Ultima and tests situation?" IE why Ultima seem reluctant to attend? could be a very simple answer.?? I am certainly curious.

Good luck with the 207mph,... but things happen very quickly at that speed so dont take any chances!
207?? Hope you are not refering to me.....I am resigned to the 180 club!! (given a 3mph improvement!!).

I think they should get out there and give the cars a blast in an open forum. If my old 497 bhp can do 177, and the 640 over 200 then the 720 must be pushing 210, eh???

bluesatin

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301 months

Thursday 9th August 2007
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Lucky

Don't forget the 5mph tailwind last time! Now if we had 20mph tailwind ......

LuckyP

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Thursday 9th August 2007
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Spot the difference..........







Test flight tomorrow night.

Lucks

bluesatin

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301 months

Thursday 9th August 2007
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The bush behind has yellow flowers in the first picture. Am I the winner?