Power Pack on a 997 C2S
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Been toying with this myself for a while.
Love my C2S but a bit more power would make it perfect. Spoke to a lot of people about remaps, etc but on a non-turbo car its hardly worth it. Don't want to change into a GT3 or Turbo so it may be the only way to go.
However, does seem very steep just to gain another 30bhp. Isn't the retrofit about £9k (or even more??). Would be better if it got you past the magic 400bhp mark but otherwise the price is hard to justify.
Difficult decision.
Cheers.
Love my C2S but a bit more power would make it perfect. Spoke to a lot of people about remaps, etc but on a non-turbo car its hardly worth it. Don't want to change into a GT3 or Turbo so it may be the only way to go.
However, does seem very steep just to gain another 30bhp. Isn't the retrofit about £9k (or even more??). Would be better if it got you past the magic 400bhp mark but otherwise the price is hard to justify.
Difficult decision.
Cheers.
[quote=Wanta996(Gotta)]I also read that and found it interesting that the 997S basically matched the GT3 in a straight line and around a track - Makes you wonder if all the stripped out stuff & roll cage is just a gimmick.
The GT3 RS on the other hand was quicker BUT just fractionally quicker.
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Cant really comment on the 997, but in terms of 996, ok I'm fairly new to GT3 world but it is so far removed from the C4 I had its not true.
Looking at prices, there isnt that much in it, GT3 v x51 C2S, in the long term the GT series cars retain more value and if the back seats are an issue, the belts at least can be retro fitted so I'm sure that the other bits can too.
The GT3 RS on the other hand was quicker BUT just fractionally quicker.
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Cant really comment on the 997, but in terms of 996, ok I'm fairly new to GT3 world but it is so far removed from the C4 I had its not true.
Looking at prices, there isnt that much in it, GT3 v x51 C2S, in the long term the GT series cars retain more value and if the back seats are an issue, the belts at least can be retro fitted so I'm sure that the other bits can too.
I am in no way criticising the GT3 as i am aware the feel & response is far superior to the standard C2 and i would think even more with the C4 as my car(996 C4S) as i have quoted feels just like a fast 3 series
(I was warned from KayC before i bought it that it was the soft option and i totally see where he was coming from now)
My point was more on the acceleration times and more worringly for the GT3 - the track times.
(I was warned from KayC before i bought it that it was the soft option and i totally see where he was coming from now)My point was more on the acceleration times and more worringly for the GT3 - the track times.
Edited by Wanta996(Gotta) on Friday 10th August 10:41
[quote=Wanta996(Gotta)]I am in no way criticising the GT3 as i am aware the feel & response is far superior to the standard C2 and i would think even more with the C4 as my car(996 C4S) as i have quoted feels just like a fast 3 series I was warned from KayC before i bought it that it was the soft option and i totally see where he was coming from.
My point was more on the acceleration and more worringly for the GT3 - the track times.
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Yep I can see that - GT3 is one of those cars where there is more to it than just the numbers - really hard to explain. Either that or I am just on
C4S - in 996 form is a gorgeous looking car tho
I was warned from KayC before i bought it that it was the soft option and i totally see where he was coming from.My point was more on the acceleration and more worringly for the GT3 - the track times.
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Yep I can see that - GT3 is one of those cars where there is more to it than just the numbers - really hard to explain. Either that or I am just on
C4S - in 996 form is a gorgeous looking car tho
[quote=Wanta996(Gotta)]I am in no way criticising the GT3 as i am aware the feel & response is far superior to the standard C2 and i would think even more with the C4 as my car(996 C4S) as i have quoted feels just like a fast 3 series (I was warned from KayC before i bought it that it was the soft option and i totally see where he was coming from now)
My point was more on the acceleration times and more worringly for the GT3 - the track times.
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After driving your C4S for a few months go back and have a drive in a 3 series and let me know what you think then...
(I was warned from KayC before i bought it that it was the soft option and i totally see where he was coming from now)My point was more on the acceleration times and more worringly for the GT3 - the track times.
Edited by Wanta996(Gotta) on Friday 10th August 10:41
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After driving your C4S for a few months go back and have a drive in a 3 series and let me know what you think then...
Erik997 said:
Been toying with this myself for a while.
Love my C2S but a bit more power would make it perfect. Spoke to a lot of people about remaps, etc but on a non-turbo car its hardly worth it. Don't want to change into a GT3 or Turbo so it may be the only way to go.
However, does seem very steep just to gain another 30bhp. Isn't the retrofit about £9k (or even more??). Would be better if it got you past the magic 400bhp mark but otherwise the price is hard to justify.
Difficult decision.
Cheers.
I also looked the RUF upgrade which was pretty dear to add a supercharger for about 420 bhp - I still have the brochure if you're interested for the price - but it was more than 9k...... Love my C2S but a bit more power would make it perfect. Spoke to a lot of people about remaps, etc but on a non-turbo car its hardly worth it. Don't want to change into a GT3 or Turbo so it may be the only way to go.
However, does seem very steep just to gain another 30bhp. Isn't the retrofit about £9k (or even more??). Would be better if it got you past the magic 400bhp mark but otherwise the price is hard to justify.
Difficult decision.
Cheers.
[quote=Wanta996(Gotta)]After 2k miles driving on various roads DR S, its a good car - not a great car.
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Did you ever go back into a 3 series? I just find for myself that when I change cars, I initially don't percieve the difference that big. But after some time when I get used to it all and go back driving one of the models I had before, I know that I'd not want to go back...
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Did you ever go back into a 3 series? I just find for myself that when I change cars, I initially don't percieve the difference that big. But after some time when I get used to it all and go back driving one of the models I had before, I know that I'd not want to go back...
Dr S said:
[quote=Wanta996(Gotta)]I am in no way criticising the GT3 as i am aware the feel & response is far superior to the standard C2 and i would think even more with the C4 as my car(996 C4S) as i have quoted feels just like a fast 3 series (I was warned from KayC before i bought it that it was the soft option and i totally see where he was coming from now)
My point was more on the acceleration times and more worringly for the GT3 - the track times.
After driving your C4S for a few months go back and have a drive in a 3 series and let me know what you think then... (I was warned from KayC before i bought it that it was the soft option and i totally see where he was coming from now)My point was more on the acceleration times and more worringly for the GT3 - the track times.
Edited by Wanta996(Gotta) on Friday 10th August 10:41
I guess that with powerkit theres not a huge outright speed difference, but with the GT3s lighter stiffer body, better suspension and semi-slicks its a fair amount quicker on track - if your taking both cars to the limit.
Chaps you are rather missing the point IMO.... the trouble with more power is you soon get used to it!
As I have said before I went 996 to 996 facelift, more grunt etc but it was just more of the same & I moved the car on rather quickly & went for a Turbo. I think it would be the same if you add the powerpack to your 997S, you'll enjoy a little extra grunt at first & then be back to square one having spent the best part of £10k!!!!
On the other hand you aren't just buying extra power with a GT3 (at the top end it is faster than the Powerkit S anyway), what you get is an altogether more organic driving experience, the suspension, brakes, engine, steering, gearing, weight (etc) are all different.
The 997S is a great car, but the new GT3 is nearly as refined but offers much more in the way of driver interaction/involvement. It sounds awesome & you really do feel part of the machine, every drive is a special occasion. I have a comfort version (no scaffolding etc) & it is just as practical as an S with the exception of no rear seats, it also has a few interior touches (Alcantara) that also make it feel different, thats before we talk about that rather wild exterior.
Just listen to thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj8VEp7ihf0
& then remember that you will likely loose less compared with a powerkit & IMO its a no brainer, or just keep the S as is, its great out the box... as long as it has a sports exhaust that is!!!!
As I have said before I went 996 to 996 facelift, more grunt etc but it was just more of the same & I moved the car on rather quickly & went for a Turbo. I think it would be the same if you add the powerpack to your 997S, you'll enjoy a little extra grunt at first & then be back to square one having spent the best part of £10k!!!!
On the other hand you aren't just buying extra power with a GT3 (at the top end it is faster than the Powerkit S anyway), what you get is an altogether more organic driving experience, the suspension, brakes, engine, steering, gearing, weight (etc) are all different.
The 997S is a great car, but the new GT3 is nearly as refined but offers much more in the way of driver interaction/involvement. It sounds awesome & you really do feel part of the machine, every drive is a special occasion. I have a comfort version (no scaffolding etc) & it is just as practical as an S with the exception of no rear seats, it also has a few interior touches (Alcantara) that also make it feel different, thats before we talk about that rather wild exterior.
Just listen to thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj8VEp7ihf0
& then remember that you will likely loose less compared with a powerkit & IMO its a no brainer, or just keep the S as is, its great out the box... as long as it has a sports exhaust that is!!!!
I would say spend the dosh on driver training/instruction/improvment,,its the way to go!
99% of folk could not get the max fron a standard 997 much less S..GT3..GT3RS..Without wishing to sound like BIG HEAD!..My Duke 748 (1998) model year is way way faster than several guys I know on the upto date stuff with all the mods and fast rubber.
Its that old nut..The equipment far exceeds the drivers ability if not all..almost all of the time. Looks good though!
99% of folk could not get the max fron a standard 997 much less S..GT3..GT3RS..Without wishing to sound like BIG HEAD!..My Duke 748 (1998) model year is way way faster than several guys I know on the upto date stuff with all the mods and fast rubber.
Its that old nut..The equipment far exceeds the drivers ability if not all..almost all of the time. Looks good though!
After toying with the idea of the 997 GT3 at my local OPC the missus just won't have the idea 
and i just don't have the funds to bribe her at the minute 
but they do have a power upgrade C2S so gave that a spin today....definately a LOT more go than my old C2S... 
dilemma...divorce or C2S upgrade car? Anyone been here before
? The wife and kids fit in the C2S or does being single with a GT3 have its benefits
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and i just don't have the funds to bribe her at the minute but they do have a power upgrade C2S so gave that a spin today....definately a LOT more go than my old C2S... dilemma...divorce or C2S upgrade car? Anyone been here before ? The wife and kids fit in the C2S or does being single with a GT3 have its benefits ? I had the C2S Powerkit Press car for a week (for Total 911 feature) and my feelings changed over the week. At the start of the week I thought it would be a waste of money ("why wouldn't you just get the GT3"
but by the end of the week was at "why would they make a C2 without Powerkit...perhaps facelift 997 will be all Powerkit..."
I'm not sure you feel the extra horespower specifically, but the carbon airbox, sharper throtle response etc are great.
Personally, I'd still want a GT3, but I can see the point of the powerkit...even if it should be standard!
but by the end of the week was at "why would they make a C2 without Powerkit...perhaps facelift 997 will be all Powerkit..."I'm not sure you feel the extra horespower specifically, but the carbon airbox, sharper throtle response etc are great.
Personally, I'd still want a GT3, but I can see the point of the powerkit...even if it should be standard!
Having the turbo on order - I looked at swapping out of my C2S recently and buying a demonstrator but the OPC trade-in was nowhere near the settlement on my car so I said I'd wait till next year for a new one.
I looked again at the information I got sent from Marc Bongers which essentially was EUR 21,000 + VAT for the Kompressor Kit (fitted) which would give me 435bhp and 470Nm. Plus I can still get it serviced at OPC and I have a "stealth" 991 RUF.
If, when it comes time to spec my turbo, the OPC offers me a bad deal, I will have no hesitation in driving to Germany with my desposit money and top it up a bit for a big slice of supercharged madness.
C-W (Watching too many youtube videos of the RT-12)
I looked again at the information I got sent from Marc Bongers which essentially was EUR 21,000 + VAT for the Kompressor Kit (fitted) which would give me 435bhp and 470Nm. Plus I can still get it serviced at OPC and I have a "stealth" 991 RUF.
If, when it comes time to spec my turbo, the OPC offers me a bad deal, I will have no hesitation in driving to Germany with my desposit money and top it up a bit for a big slice of supercharged madness.
C-W (Watching too many youtube videos of the RT-12)
Other advantages of buying the C2S with PP might include the longer service intervals, the (much)cheaper servicing and the road tyres which last perhaps 3 times as long as the Cup tyres on the GT3 and are more suited to wet weather driving - which is every bloody day around here.
The disadvantage would be at resale time, when a GT3 will have held onto its value and the PP will be worth a fraction of what it cost as an option. When I drove Mini Cooper S Works the cost of the kit was around £4k but it only added an extra £1.5k at resale.
Does the PP affect insurance?
The disadvantage would be at resale time, when a GT3 will have held onto its value and the PP will be worth a fraction of what it cost as an option. When I drove Mini Cooper S Works the cost of the kit was around £4k but it only added an extra £1.5k at resale.
Does the PP affect insurance?
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