GT3 CS vs Comfort questions

[BrendonJ]

All,

I have had a look thru the search results but they didnt bring up anything too helpful and not being a Porschaphile I'd be grateful if someone could help me with the below:

1. Whats the main differences between the CS and Comfort specs on the GT3? (is the CS a lighter car?)
2. Did the CS come with aircon?
3. What percentages roughly were CS (eg 10% CS vs 90% comfort)
4. Does the Comfort have mounting plates to install a rollcage (cost to install?)
5. What are the lightest seat options and can they be put into a Comfort spec car?

Many thanks

[PolarExpress]

Mk1, Mk2 or 997 edition?

[BrendonJ]

sorry mk1 and mk2

[richardb.jones]

I'll have a go at answering some of them for you ..

BrendonJ said:

All,

I have had a look thru the search results but they didnt bring up anything too helpful and not being a Porschaphile I'd be grateful if someone could help me with the below:

1. Whats the main differences between the CS and Comfort specs on the GT3? (is the CS a lighter car?) No, only the RS is lighter. CS has a cage (half cage I believe), fire extingusiher, Bucket Seats & Harness.
2. Did the CS come with aircon? - Optional, most have it speced - weight saving approx ~10 Kg.
3. What percentages roughly were CS (eg 10% CS vs 90% comfort) - No idea ...
4. Does the Comfort have mounting plates to install a rollcage (cost to install?) - All cars do - they mount to the seatbelt mount points (to be best of my knowledge) - Cost to retro fit is reasonably high as it's a lift jobbie to get it in without damaging things..)
5. What are the lightest seat options and can they be put into a Comfort spec car? GT3 cloth seats with carbon/fibre backs are the lightest you can get (Porsche) - but I'm sure there are lighter seats available (non-Porsche).

I hope this helps ...

Many thanks

Edited by richardb.jones on Tuesday 21st August 17:24

[Ir Baboon]

BrendonJ said:

All,

I have had a look thru the search results but they didnt bring up anything too helpful and not being a Porschaphile I'd be grateful if someone could help me with the below:

1. Whats the main differences between the CS and Comfort specs on the GT3? (is the CS a lighter car?)
2. Did the CS come with aircon?
3. What percentages roughly were CS (eg 10% CS vs 90% comfort)
4. Does the Comfort have mounting plates to install a rollcage (cost to install?)
5. What are the lightest seat options and can they be put into a Comfort spec car?

Many thanks

On the Mk1 there is also single mass fly wheel as well as the cut offs, one by the front lid and one in the cabin.

Factory CS spec cars are rare, the biggest giveaway is that the (bucket) seats are nomex not leather hence easy to tell a comfort that has had the work done. Personally I wanted the comfort seats and find them fine (mine is a Mk2), although hardened track day drivers will have a different opinion.

RS is lighter, although the power is the same (there are some differences to the inlet manifolds too)

IMHO air con is a must, ever heard the saying any fool can be uncomfortable? The Bucket seats can be retrofitted without too much problem, I've no idea about the scaffolding.

Either way, be it Mk1, Mk2 or RS they are all stunning cars and to me sum up what Porsches are all about

[andy tims]

Ir Baboon said:

Factory CS spec cars are rare, the biggest giveaway is that the (bucket) seats are nomex not leather hence easy to tell a comfort that has had the work done.

and the factory fitted full (not half) cage.

Edited by andy tims on Wednesday 22 August 08:45

[gfreeman]

28 official UK Mk 1 Clubsports

[Ir Baboon]

gfreeman said:

28 official UK Mk 1 Clubsports

Sure that someone will come along and correct me, but i think that is out of:

106 Mk1 in total
136 Mk2 RS
247 MK2 ex RS

[flemke]

andy tims said:

[quote=Ir Baboon
Factory CS spec cars are rare, the biggest giveaway is that the (bucket) seats are nomex not leather hence easy to tell a comfort that has had the work done.

and the factory fitted full (not half) cage.

AFAIK, the CSs left the factory (at least some did) with only the half-cage fitted, the front half shipped separately to the dealer for installation.

[BrendonJ]

Ir Baboon said:

Factory CS spec cars are rare, the biggest giveaway is that the (bucket) seats are nomex not leather hence easy to tell a comfort that has had the work done.

Many thanks all for your help so far,

What colour are the Nomex seats? And I take it they are the normal material/fabric like in racesuits?

[maximu5]

28 CS out of 108 Mk1 is around 25%. I have never seen offical statistics, but from following www.mobile.de my guess is that some 30% of Mk1 were CS. Somehow I think that figure is lower for Mk2. No wonder that you start seeing more and more fake CS advertised as real (I know somebody looking for a real CS and who was offered 3 fake ones in Germany before he found what he was after). Mind you, the differences are not nearly as important as - say - between a 993 RS and a 993 RS CS

[lightweight]

maximu5 said:

28 CS out of 108 Mk1 is around 25%. I have never seen offical statistics, but from following www.mobile.de my guess is that some 30% of Mk1 were CS. Somehow I think that figure is lower for Mk2. No wonder that you start seeing more and more fake CS advertised as real (I know somebody looking for a real CS and who was offered 3 fake ones in Germany before he found what he was after). Mind you, the differences are not nearly as important as - say - between a 993 RS and a 993 RS CS

I dont think there is anything to fake? on a MK2 if you fit the full cage belts and porsche seats the only difference is how well the trimmer cuts the carpits clubsports come ready punched for the front section of cage. the CS is a bolt in cage with removable front section and is not comparable to a 993 RS clubsport and its matter cage.

I have a comfort but prefer leather to nomex so have leather coverd buckets I also like to get a bag in the back so went for the Teckequipment cage rather than the CS cage but even if it was a CS cage with nomex seats i would not concider it a fake? remember the CS was a no cost trim option.

Edited by lightweight on Wednesday 22 August 18:16

[andy tims]

lightweight said:

I dont think there is anything to fake? on a MK2 if you fit the full cage belts and porsche seats the only difference is how well the trimmer cuts the carpits clubsports come ready punched for the front section of cage.

Edited by lightweight on Wednesday 22 August 18:16

Not trying to pick a fight, but I beg to differ I'm afraid. As with all rare cars, it's possible to convert a less rare car to the spec of a rarer one and no problem with people doing that (there must as many 993RS's that look like RSR's as look standard) as long as they don't try to pass it of as original. Sure it's pretty easy (especially on the MK2) to convert from Comfort to CS spec. There is virtually nothing between them dynamically in any case, but a factory CS will if history is our guide, become increasingly more desirable regardless of any objective superiority, just because of the comparative rarity.

Edited by andy tims on Wednesday 22 August 19:12

[andy tims]

BrendonJ said:

What colour are the Nomex seats? And I take it they are the normal material/fabric like in racesuits?

They are black. I don't have a decent interior shot of mine hosted to be able to post at the moment, but if you PM me, I can email you several.

[Ian_km]

andy tims said:

BrendonJ said:

What colour are the Nomex seats? And I take it they are the normal material/fabric like in racesuits?

They are black. I don't have a decent interior shot of mine hosted to be able to post at the moment, but if you PM me, I can email you several.

Picture of my MkII Clubsport seats above hopefully, if I've figured this picture posting bit correctly!

[maximu5]

if there is one constant in the classic car market, it is that sportier/less comfy versions of a given model of sports car tend to be worth more, sometimes much more (particularly if they are rare), than the same car but in comfort version, especialy as the cars get older. Doesn't mean they are better cars, just more sought after. This applies to the 2.7 RS (touring vs leightweight), 964 RS, 993 RS, any Ferrari, etc.. Yes, it is true of all these, the gap between a 996 GT3 CS and comfort is the smallest. Still, while 964 RS were selling cheap within a few years after their launch, nobody today would offer big money for any 964 unless it was an RS, preferably NGT. Likewise, in 5 or 10 years' time, why would anybody buy a MK1 GT3, unless it was to track it ? If so, CS should in the future trade at a marginal premium (but large if you take into account the abuse they have suffered) to Comfort GT3s. But the market is always right, so let's see in 5 years' time

[lightweight]

Interesting topic im probably going to be unpopular for saying this but i just dont think GT3's will become collectors cars .I will be delighted to be proven wrong as I dont think i will ever sell mine.

The reason I say this is that there are so many of them especaly MK2's Ah you say so the MK one clubsport is the one to have well they have issues dont they.
Modern cars are just not going to go the route of the 2.7RS because they are too complex and essentaly too good the 2.7 is what it is because it is so simple and pure you feel engaged in the drive. A GT3 is pure in that it is F***ing quick if driven well the issue is that it is in some ways harder to have fun with as when you have the inevetable moment you are going so quick its a big one.
Currently there are a lot of cars that are at the top of the cycle(value)and a lot that are on credit/ house equity i think that there will be a big bump comming for some.
re 2.7 RS analogy and M471 V M472 values have little to do with spec and more to do with the ability to get a FIA HTP and the historic competition posability opened up this will not happen to GT3,s as current comp cars are so far away from the road cars we love