Lying, Cheating scumbag
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I am a (Very) regular poster, and not a troll, I would appreciate it if there wasn't some sort of guessing game to establish my "original" alias. It will not help me in this situation. I need some advice from some of the intelligent people who I have met on this forum and because my original profile is so old, it wouldn't be hard to find out exactly who I am in "meatspace". I need for this NOT to happen.
I pulled out of my property and went up the road, a taxi aggressively reversed out of a property and down the road. I performed an emergency stop, but he kept reversing down the road, I had a few brief seconds to try and find reverse but no luck the "person if indiscriminate parentage" reversed into the front of my Elise. I screamed out of the window "stop you fekker" And he got out. All apologies and admitted liability straight away. He gave me a piece of paper with his name, the taxi firms number and taxi number.
I was in the "mother and father" of all hurries so I went and did my running around. At the first stop I noticed the indicator hanging on the floor, so carefully put it back, and the front headlamp cover has become loose of the rubber mounting. and a few scratches. Not serious damage but enough to piss off a lotus owner.
I gave the taxi co a call and explained what had happened then waited for the owner of the taxi to call. He did. The story had changed. Apparently I had hit the taxi!!! and now he had loads of witnesses to back him up. Pretty difficult for an empty road! The lying cheating SOB.
I am trying to assess my choices;
1) do I lie as well as he is and line up a range of "witnesses" in the hope of out lying the barsteward.
2) the only info he has for me is my mobile number, the car is mostly kept out of sight in a locked garage, so do I bounce his calls and live with my "damage". (the front clam is in need of some tarting anyway)
3) when this is over, enlist some "help" to have the taxi made immobile
I have 10 years no claims which is insured so that doesn't worry me but my excess is £600!! in an effort to keep the insurance down. If I loose (which is probable in this type of accident), it would still cost me £600 ... and I am bu99ered if I will pay anything towards his scratch.
Your advice please.
I pulled out of my property and went up the road, a taxi aggressively reversed out of a property and down the road. I performed an emergency stop, but he kept reversing down the road, I had a few brief seconds to try and find reverse but no luck the "person if indiscriminate parentage" reversed into the front of my Elise. I screamed out of the window "stop you fekker" And he got out. All apologies and admitted liability straight away. He gave me a piece of paper with his name, the taxi firms number and taxi number.
I was in the "mother and father" of all hurries so I went and did my running around. At the first stop I noticed the indicator hanging on the floor, so carefully put it back, and the front headlamp cover has become loose of the rubber mounting. and a few scratches. Not serious damage but enough to piss off a lotus owner.
I gave the taxi co a call and explained what had happened then waited for the owner of the taxi to call. He did. The story had changed. Apparently I had hit the taxi!!! and now he had loads of witnesses to back him up. Pretty difficult for an empty road! The lying cheating SOB.
I am trying to assess my choices;
1) do I lie as well as he is and line up a range of "witnesses" in the hope of out lying the barsteward.
2) the only info he has for me is my mobile number, the car is mostly kept out of sight in a locked garage, so do I bounce his calls and live with my "damage". (the front clam is in need of some tarting anyway)
3) when this is over, enlist some "help" to have the taxi made immobile
I have 10 years no claims which is insured so that doesn't worry me but my excess is £600!! in an effort to keep the insurance down. If I loose (which is probable in this type of accident), it would still cost me £600 ... and I am bu99ered if I will pay anything towards his scratch.
Your advice please.
Edited by doobaskiver on Saturday 25th August 12:14
What a sh*t thing to happen! Sorry to hear the tale.
Unfortunately I think the outcome will be he'll get away with it. It's not fair, it's not right but I very much doubt the police will want to be involved or give it any time if they do and the insurance companies will just settle as easily as they can.
You could write to the taxi company and see what the response is. Or call the pr*ck, tell him you know what happened, you've got a couple of witnesses who saw the incident from their houses and that if he doesn't give you £250 to get the problems sorted you're calling the police. Depends how brave you feel!
Unfortunately I think the outcome will be he'll get away with it. It's not fair, it's not right but I very much doubt the police will want to be involved or give it any time if they do and the insurance companies will just settle as easily as they can.
You could write to the taxi company and see what the response is. Or call the pr*ck, tell him you know what happened, you've got a couple of witnesses who saw the incident from their houses and that if he doesn't give you £250 to get the problems sorted you're calling the police. Depends how brave you feel!
If you do go down route three, which to be honest I would like to do, be very careful.
And don't say anything on this thread. He may be a psycho.
If you have to do somthing like that, don't tell anyone. If you were to mention it to anyone, it WILL get out and then you'd find the full force of the law on top of you.
After all you are a law abiding citizen and not a scrote so ar easy to prosecute.
And don't say anything on this thread. He may be a psycho.
If you have to do somthing like that, don't tell anyone. If you were to mention it to anyone, it WILL get out and then you'd find the full force of the law on top of you.
After all you are a law abiding citizen and not a scrote so ar easy to prosecute.
Mate I feel so sorry for you. I had some fat bitch crash into me in Feb, while i was driving my mum's nissan micra. She then jumped out the car claiming i was going too fast even though i was stationary when she hit us. Luckily i had a camera and took lots of photos of her skid marks for the insurance company.
Get the old bill involved and explain your situation. You should be able to tell from the point of contact whether a car was stationary or accelerating or braking, due to weight transfer. I think most would back down if faced with a lawyer battle/court case.
Just another example of pikey scum!
Good luck.
Get the old bill involved and explain your situation. You should be able to tell from the point of contact whether a car was stationary or accelerating or braking, due to weight transfer. I think most would back down if faced with a lawyer battle/court case.
Just another example of pikey scum!
Good luck.
drac said:
Mate I feel so sorry for you. I had some fat bitch crash into me in Feb, while i was driving my mum's nissan micra. She then jumped out the car claiming i was going too fast even though i was stationary when she hit us. Luckily i had a camera and took lots of photos of her skid marks for the insurance company.
Get the old bill involved and explain your situation. You should be able to tell from the point of contact whether a car was stationary or accelerating or braking, due to weight transfer. I think most would back down if faced with a lawyer battle/court case.
Just another example of pikey scum!
Good luck.
Totally agree, if you lose though wait a couple of months then smash the Get the old bill involved and explain your situation. You should be able to tell from the point of contact whether a car was stationary or accelerating or braking, due to weight transfer. I think most would back down if faced with a lawyer battle/court case.
Just another example of pikey scum!
Good luck.
out of his cab for peace of mind (preferably with him still inside), I have a nice #6 baseball bat if you want to borrow !crackthatoff said:
drac said:
Mate I feel so sorry for you. I had some fat bitch crash into me in Feb, while i was driving my mum's nissan micra. She then jumped out the car claiming i was going too fast even though i was stationary when she hit us. Luckily i had a camera and took lots of photos of her skid marks for the insurance company.
Get the old bill involved and explain your situation. You should be able to tell from the point of contact whether a car was stationary or accelerating or braking, due to weight transfer. I think most would back down if faced with a lawyer battle/court case.
Just another example of pikey scum!
Good luck.
Totally agree, if you lose though wait a couple of months then smash the Get the old bill involved and explain your situation. You should be able to tell from the point of contact whether a car was stationary or accelerating or braking, due to weight transfer. I think most would back down if faced with a lawyer battle/court case.
Just another example of pikey scum!
Good luck.
out of his cab for peace of mind (preferably with him still inside), I have a nice #6 baseball bat if you want to borrow !He has managed to fabricate some witnesses and I can do the same but it is then a competition to see who can lie the most. And as the damage suggests that I went into the back of him, I doubt my chances of success. Bottom line, it would cost £600 excess.
If I bounce his calls till he gets sick of calling. then at lest I only have my own damage to worry about (I am about to go to the garage and fix the light and indicator.
I have the reg, name of the driver etc so a little "justice" (revenge) can be carried out at my leisure. Not really an issue that need discussion because I am in a fowl mood and I have been fantasizing about methods.
Is there a "third" way that I have not thought of. Personally, I dont think the old bill would touch this with a 10ft pole covered in doughnuts.
This taxi firm has absolutly nothing to gain by behaving properly.
Edited by doobaskiver on Saturday 25th August 13:13
Have you thought about telling him you have witnesses from the local neighberhood watch who sa te incident and that you would be happy to settle without going through his insurance for £250 or whatever other wse your insurance company will be in touch and see you in court. if he has made up his witnesses he had best hope they werent seen elsewhere or used their cc etc as it goes from a little prang to purgery and fraud if things went to court I know id take the £250.
Afaik the police will only get involved if there is someone injured. fake whiplash and call the police nxt time
They then take notes and get whitnesses etc and will file a report
I realy feel for you though always get photos of any accident its difficult to magic up a score of witnesses when they arent in any photos.
Afaik the police will only get involved if there is someone injured. fake whiplash and call the police nxt time
They then take notes and get whitnesses etc and will file a reportI realy feel for you though always get photos of any accident its difficult to magic up a score of witnesses when they arent in any photos.
Heesen said:
What sort of road were you on ? Residential, business area, shops etc. Similar thing happened to me recently in my daily driver. Thankfully caught the accident on a cctv camera in a business nearby. He had no choice but to admit fault ..
Quiet residential, no cameras... nothing.Personally I would go to the police and the insurance and explain it all. You will get all legal bills covered if you go to the insurance co. Explain that there were no witnesses, and also how he accepted liability, but that now he claims he has witnesses and is now claiming the contrary.
This should give the cozzers a much bigger focus on pressing these so called witnesses with a view to a perverting the course of justice type angle.
I suspect his story may change under scrutiny from the police.
Taxi drivers are notorious for suddenly having loads of witnesses. I was in a similar situation when I was younger, and when I found out I opted for beating him senseless at a set of traffic lights. The book was thrown at me.
This should give the cozzers a much bigger focus on pressing these so called witnesses with a view to a perverting the course of justice type angle.
I suspect his story may change under scrutiny from the police.
Taxi drivers are notorious for suddenly having loads of witnesses. I was in a similar situation when I was younger, and when I found out I opted for beating him senseless at a set of traffic lights. The book was thrown at me.
Edited by Bada Bing! on Saturday 25th August 15:24
Simply state the facts to the insurance company. The other guy may be a liar but there's no need for you to lower yourself to his level. Forget all notions of retribution, it ain't worth it.
BTW I had a hit and run on my Elise S2 yesterday in a car park. Shunted the back causing £500 damage. Only had the car 10 days. Best thing to do is get it repaired and forget it ever happened.
BTW I had a hit and run on my Elise S2 yesterday in a car park. Shunted the back causing £500 damage. Only had the car 10 days. Best thing to do is get it repaired and forget it ever happened.
I'd suggest do a bit of leg work yourself and knock on a few doors - you never know what you can dig up till you try.
If you get no joy from the Police (there are offences here, criminal ones) and it goes to the insurance then I think they assign investigators for disputed claims, if the investigator starts going to see some of the witnesses, starts taking statements, starts asking why 6 of this guys friends were in the same street at the same time yet didn't come over to say anything etc then his version will start to look more and more unreasonable.
It may be that by calling his bluff and speaking to his witnesses they, or some, get 'windy' and back off the story - more often than not a list of witnesses is spoof - they won't have rehearsed a story and will not be likely to take things all the way.
It's obviously down to money as far as the insurance is concerned though - they won't invest £1000 on investigating a £500 claim.
If you get no joy from the Police (there are offences here, criminal ones) and it goes to the insurance then I think they assign investigators for disputed claims, if the investigator starts going to see some of the witnesses, starts taking statements, starts asking why 6 of this guys friends were in the same street at the same time yet didn't come over to say anything etc then his version will start to look more and more unreasonable.
It may be that by calling his bluff and speaking to his witnesses they, or some, get 'windy' and back off the story - more often than not a list of witnesses is spoof - they won't have rehearsed a story and will not be likely to take things all the way.
It's obviously down to money as far as the insurance is concerned though - they won't invest £1000 on investigating a £500 claim.
I would get him to sign a statement showing that it was YOUR fault and that you emergency braked and skidded into the back of him.... then with YOUR insurance company you state what ACTUALLY happened.
Now, as Drac mentioned, if you WERE emergency braking the nose of your car would have been WELL down and the damage would have occurred higher on your car and lower on his.... if he hit you in reverse then the opposite should be true.... because you have a statement signed by him saying that you WERE emergency braking and you can prove otherwise from the damage, then you have evidential PROOF that he's lying and you're telling the truth....
Wait for his insurance to fix both cars THEN pay him some street-justice for being a.
Now, as Drac mentioned, if you WERE emergency braking the nose of your car would have been WELL down and the damage would have occurred higher on your car and lower on his.... if he hit you in reverse then the opposite should be true.... because you have a statement signed by him saying that you WERE emergency braking and you can prove otherwise from the damage, then you have evidential PROOF that he's lying and you're telling the truth....
Wait for his insurance to fix both cars THEN pay him some street-justice for being a
.I can't see the impact height being conclusive either way. Both cars could have been accelerating, or braking, towards each other. Even supposing the difference in height is sufficient to be clear (not very likely IMO) all it indicates is that one car was accelerating/braking more than the other. That doesn't prove which direction either car was moving at the time of the impact, which is the key issue here.
GreenV8S said:
I can't see the impact height being conclusive either way. Both cars could have been accelerating, or braking, towards each other. Even supposing the difference in height is sufficient to be clear (not very likely IMO) all it indicates is that one car was accelerating/braking more than the other. That doesn't prove which direction either car was moving at the time of the impact, which is the key issue here.
Indeed Pete. And whilst I appreciate people are trying to help, there are some comments that dont really understand the process and, IMHO, might prove red herrings or certainly give false hope to the OP.I feel for you man, it a shit thing to happen and such a damn hassle. When this happened to me (a dude in a van drove right up my ass whilst waiting at a zebra crossing luckily it wasn't an expensive car) I recorded the dude with my mobile phone admitting liability to it. The police were over the road at the time and they couldn't care less. It scares me to think of the implications of this happening in my csl or exige.
Best bet would be to get some nice witnesses to confirm the true story from the houses on the street and then an inspector or something to back this up. Surely there is some way you can tell that he reversed into you.
Best bet would be to get some nice witnesses to confirm the true story from the houses on the street and then an inspector or something to back this up. Surely there is some way you can tell that he reversed into you.
Edited by RichyBoy on Saturday 25th August 16:38
I dont for a second the police will do anything. It is a big case of "not our problem". From thier POV it is up to the insurance companies to sort it out. I found this out the hard way when a moron crossed a red light and drove into me, police would only turn up if there was a "considerable" injury.
The local police are incapable of anything resembling "investigation" and at best I would have a "special" knock on my door.
The local police are incapable of anything resembling "investigation" and at best I would have a "special" knock on my door.
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