grown up range rover questions
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Hello You Lot,
work is starting to take me further and further afield so Ive decided to sell my trusty 110 and replace it with something with a bit more motorway finesse and something that will look a little more tidy to clients. Ive found myself looking at 1998ish range rovers which look like like they'd do the job well enough and certainly look handsome for the money, but after doing a lengthy search here Ive still got some basic questions.
Firstly, I'm thinking diesel will be the way forward, but in all honesty Ill probably only keep the car for a year at most so will I honestly save in fuel bills what Ill spend on getting a diesel (they seem to command a premium of a couple of K)? whats the difference in MPG between the oh-so-dull 2.5 and say the cool-points-riddled 4.6 version?
secondly, the car that has so far stood out is a 1998 manual 2.5dse with 101k on it. is this too many miles for an engine this small in a car this big? if it helps with the calculation of its worthiness, the sellers looking for slightly sub 7k.
thirdly, how reliable will a car like this be on a day to day basis? will I have to worry about it letting me down and not starting etc or will it be invincible like my landy?
lastly, all of my searches so far have brought up the fact the the 2.5 is woefully, painfully slow. but how slow is slow? slower than my 300tdi 110? I'm not sure it can be. really? really really? if so, i note that lots of people mention getting them chipped, if thats the case, baring in mind I'm in sunny Norfolk, where might i get such a thing done and how much? is this going to be a terrible stress on a high miled car? or will it be ok? will it really make that much of a difference?
id appreciate any advice you have good people. thanks in advance.
N.
work is starting to take me further and further afield so Ive decided to sell my trusty 110 and replace it with something with a bit more motorway finesse and something that will look a little more tidy to clients. Ive found myself looking at 1998ish range rovers which look like like they'd do the job well enough and certainly look handsome for the money, but after doing a lengthy search here Ive still got some basic questions.
Firstly, I'm thinking diesel will be the way forward, but in all honesty Ill probably only keep the car for a year at most so will I honestly save in fuel bills what Ill spend on getting a diesel (they seem to command a premium of a couple of K)? whats the difference in MPG between the oh-so-dull 2.5 and say the cool-points-riddled 4.6 version?
secondly, the car that has so far stood out is a 1998 manual 2.5dse with 101k on it. is this too many miles for an engine this small in a car this big? if it helps with the calculation of its worthiness, the sellers looking for slightly sub 7k.
thirdly, how reliable will a car like this be on a day to day basis? will I have to worry about it letting me down and not starting etc or will it be invincible like my landy?
lastly, all of my searches so far have brought up the fact the the 2.5 is woefully, painfully slow. but how slow is slow? slower than my 300tdi 110? I'm not sure it can be. really? really really? if so, i note that lots of people mention getting them chipped, if thats the case, baring in mind I'm in sunny Norfolk, where might i get such a thing done and how much? is this going to be a terrible stress on a high miled car? or will it be ok? will it really make that much of a difference?
id appreciate any advice you have good people. thanks in advance.
N.
Stick with a oil burner.It will be easier to sell on once you have had your use out of it.The 2.5BMW unit is more refined than the TDI ,but it is slow.You need to either have it chipped or a power box fitted.To get even more performance a bigger intercooler would help.My 4.6 if used every day would use about £140 worth of fuel.This would include a round trip of 120mls on a weekend with my nightly trips to work of around 14mls alround.
nervous said:
Fidgits said:
If you want reliable, why not get a Landcruiser? Big comfy exec 4x4 with all the reliability you could need!
cos Im a massive snob. Honestly fidg, sometimes its like you dont know me at all
(though I bet others have done it!)
I test drove one a couple of years back (2.5 diesel that is) and it was indeed HIDEOUSLY slow. However can't comment on a chipped example so it might be the way to go if you are set on a Rangey. V8 with LPG another option if you have it available to you, but then some will warn you off that it can be another thing to go wrong and lots of the kits are prone to problems, runs great on my 110 but then I prolly have no electronic gubbins to confuse.
Can't you just get a newer and plusher 110, that is what I am thinking of doing so we can use one as a main family car - we can then ditch the Alfa estate and I am trying to talk wifey into buying an Elise to go to work in.
Can't you just get a newer and plusher 110, that is what I am thinking of doing so we can use one as a main family car - we can then ditch the Alfa estate and I am trying to talk wifey into buying an Elise to go to work in.
Edited by touching cloth on Sunday 26th August 01:44
touching cloth said:
I test drove one a couple of years back (2.5 diesel that is) and it was indeed HIDEOUSLY slow. However can't comment on a chipped example so it might be the way to go if you are set on a Rangey. V8 with LPG another option if you have it available to you, but then some will warn you off that it can be another thing to go wrong and lots of the kits are prone to problems, runs great on my 110 but then I prolly have no electronic gubbins to confuse.
Can't you just get a newer and plusher 110, that is what I am thinking of doing so we can use one as a main family car - we can then ditch the Alfa estate and I am trying to talk wifey into buying an Elise to go to work in.
oh good, youre here.Can't you just get a newer and plusher 110, that is what I am thinking of doing so we can use one as a main family car - we can then ditch the Alfa estate and I am trying to talk wifey into buying an Elise to go to work in.
Edited by touching cloth on Sunday 26th August 01:44
though youve clearly drunk too much, that was both useful and lucid.
im thinking of a RR cos Im looking to use it as a car as well as a van, and having done 10k in the 110 this year im ready for a change. and not to be deafened anymore. and as far as newer and plusher 110s go, its a contradiction in terms. theyre just built later. edited to add: have a look at what 7k will get you in an rr and what 7k will get you in a 110 defender. its quite a contrast.
anyway like you say, from the search ive done this evening it looks to be that the lpg thing is a curse as much as blessing and i dont really want to worry about it all the time. so....
how slow is slow? slower than the tdi? cos thats slow like you wouldnt believe.
and is 101k too much on that engine?
Edited by nervous on Sunday 26th August 01:55
Never did drive a Tdi so not 100% sure from experience, but a quick google and assuming the facts I scrounged are vaguely accurate.
300TDI - 111 bhp, 195 lbft dragging a 110 of @ 2 tonnes
2.5 BMW Diesel - 136 bhp, 198 lbft but dragging a RR of 2.5 tonnes
So bit more power, not really any more torque and about an extra half a tonne. I would say there was a good chance it will be slower.
Am painfully aware of the price differential of Defenders, went through the whole thing when I was looking, plain fact is you get a whole lot more "car" for your money with pretty much anything else - theoretically I should have bought a Disco and got one years newer, but bloody things have me rather hooked now though. Talking of which, could the answer for you lie in the halfway house of a Disco or do they simply not float your biscuit - something like this one http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/209878.htm looks tidy and the TD5 appears to be fairly well regarded, same power again bit more Torque than either the above I think and I'd wager a Disco will come in lighter than a P38.
300TDI - 111 bhp, 195 lbft dragging a 110 of @ 2 tonnes
2.5 BMW Diesel - 136 bhp, 198 lbft but dragging a RR of 2.5 tonnes
So bit more power, not really any more torque and about an extra half a tonne. I would say there was a good chance it will be slower.
Am painfully aware of the price differential of Defenders, went through the whole thing when I was looking, plain fact is you get a whole lot more "car" for your money with pretty much anything else - theoretically I should have bought a Disco and got one years newer, but bloody things have me rather hooked now though. Talking of which, could the answer for you lie in the halfway house of a Disco or do they simply not float your biscuit - something like this one http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/209878.htm looks tidy and the TD5 appears to be fairly well regarded, same power again bit more Torque than either the above I think and I'd wager a Disco will come in lighter than a P38.
Edited by touching cloth on Sunday 26th August 02:25
touching cloth said:
Talking of which, could the answer for you lie in the halfway house of a Disco or do they simply not float your biscuit - something like this one http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/209878.htm looks tidy and the TD5 appears to be fairly well regarded, same power again bit more Torque than either the above I think and I'd wager a Disco will come in lighter than a P38.
makes perfect sense, except i dont like dags or sell pegs.Edited by touching cloth on Sunday 26th August 02:25
have you actually considered other brands? After all, if your after a car-like 4x4, then surely ones designed to do that (rather than the agricultural focus of the old LR and RR's).
The Lexus RX300, not diesel, and corners like a wardrobe on jelly, but if you get the SE-L its a gadget lovers heaven! And v. v. comfy for long distance cruising?
X5's are down to around 12k- dont know if this in budget or not?
or go ganster with the M class merc? available in derv - tint the windows and live out your 50 cent fantasties
The Lexus RX300, not diesel, and corners like a wardrobe on jelly, but if you get the SE-L its a gadget lovers heaven! And v. v. comfy for long distance cruising?
X5's are down to around 12k- dont know if this in budget or not?
or go ganster with the M class merc? available in derv - tint the windows and live out your 50 cent fantasties
why must you two always try and confuse me? im asking a specific question here, about a specific model. must this always be an exercise in pointing out that i havent really thought things through? hmm? well? i said hmm, i think you know the law on such matters.
for reference, and to ward off further suggestions of mickey carrol mobiles, ive just been through every make of every 4x4 maker, ever, thats ever been ever, and i dont want any of them, most especially the land crusier (worst thing ever) the lexus (only you can get away with the lex fidg, the piss taking for me would be merciless) tata or the mahindra marksman (which i may have already have but if pressed would deny). so please, answers only to the above questions you two. just this once. cos its my birthday.
for reference, and to ward off further suggestions of mickey carrol mobiles, ive just been through every make of every 4x4 maker, ever, thats ever been ever, and i dont want any of them, most especially the land crusier (worst thing ever) the lexus (only you can get away with the lex fidg, the piss taking for me would be merciless) tata or the mahindra marksman (which i may have already have but if pressed would deny). so please, answers only to the above questions you two. just this once. cos its my birthday.
okay (though have you considered the subaru forester ) - just trying to help by giving you options..
You paying for the badge on the RR - but if your happy with that - just focus on getting a looked after one - good servicing etc... Though doesnt the RR diesel need a full rebuild around 100-150k?
i'd say happy birthday, but i could swear it wasnt that long ago - unless your the queen (the, not a) and have two?
) - just trying to help by giving you options..You paying for the badge on the RR - but if your happy with that - just focus on getting a looked after one - good servicing etc... Though doesnt the RR diesel need a full rebuild around 100-150k?
i'd say happy birthday, but i could swear it wasnt that long ago - unless your the queen (the, not a) and have two?
Fidgits said:
You paying for the badge on the RR - but if your happy with that - just focus on getting a looked after one - good servicing etc... Though doesn't the RR diesel need a full rebuild around 100-150k?
i don't know about the rebuild, that was one of my questions! god, get your own thread, man.see the thing is, i don't think i am paying for the badge with the RR. take a budget of 7k and look at all the equivalents. ill even let you include things like the Nissan navara and the Mitsubishi warrior. then come back and tell me that the RR doesn't look like good value.
go on, ill wait here.
PS you're right its totally not my birthday i was just hoping to quell some of the insubordinate back-chat. so, that didn't work then. damn your memory.
Tricky one. Its going to be slow but once up to speed should be relatively refeened at motorway cruising speeds.
Balanced against the hideous mpg of the admittedly ubercool 4.6.
I reckon you're going to get 25 tops out of the diesel and 15-17 out of the petrol.
If you're doing 20K annually my bad maths reckons thats £4K in diesel and £6666 in petrol.
Theres bugger all in it really, go petrol, bo
ocks to it.
Balanced against the hideous mpg of the admittedly ubercool 4.6.
I reckon you're going to get 25 tops out of the diesel and 15-17 out of the petrol.
If you're doing 20K annually my bad maths reckons thats £4K in diesel and £6666 in petrol.
Theres bugger all in it really, go petrol, bo
ocks to it.You know the rules Nerv, don't try to bend em. You suggest something and we all suggest other things until you tear your hair out and bang you had violently in the fridge door. We are only 2 steps from Mx-5's and a NSX's!!
To answer your exact question I think the answer is, no! I think I would not recommend you get a Diesel P38. Chip or no chip, it will bore you... and quickly. So to revert to the rules above which you would have us dismiss (but we can't), I now launch into what we like to call "Have you thought of....."
You want something with a bit of room for stuff and something more car like. How about a car? I think I saw a while back about you toying with some sort of Uber Volvo? This actually is a great idea, keep the landy (cos you will miss it) and spend about £4-5k on a cool estate like this
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/202467.htm
I know you will say you don't want multiple cars but that's just tough.
To answer your exact question I think the answer is, no! I think I would not recommend you get a Diesel P38. Chip or no chip, it will bore you... and quickly. So to revert to the rules above which you would have us dismiss (but we can't), I now launch into what we like to call "Have you thought of....."
You want something with a bit of room for stuff and something more car like. How about a car? I think I saw a while back about you toying with some sort of Uber Volvo? This actually is a great idea, keep the landy (cos you will miss it) and spend about £4-5k on a cool estate like this
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/202467.htm
I know you will say you don't want multiple cars but that's just tough.
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