Uninsured drivers could get fixed penalties
Uninsured drivers could get fixed penalties
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mrs fish

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30,018 posts

279 months

Monday 9th June 2003
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Drivers caught without insurance could avoid a court appearance and a potential driving ban under new fixed penalty rules.

Police now have the option of imposing a fixed £200 fine and six penalty points on offenders detected by hi-tech vehicle number plate readers.

The pilot scheme, introduced on June 1, will apply to the 23 police forces across England and Wales currently using the Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) system.

Offenders who are not handed fixed penalties will be dealt with by magistrates as before. Those convicted face a maximum fine of £5,000 and six to eight penalty points or a disqualification.

A fixed penalty is effectively only an option for first-time offenders. Motorists who have already received six penalty points for a previous offence would have to be dealt with in court.

Elliot Griffiths, road traffic committee chairman of the Magistrates' Association, said: "At the moment drivers without insurance normally come to light after an accident whereas setting up these machines at the roadside means they will be stopping any car that has not got insurance.

"The chances of being caught will be greatly increased and they can only have a fixed penalty once."

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

275 months

Monday 9th June 2003
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How do they know if the person driving the car has insurance or not?

swilly

9,699 posts

295 months

Monday 9th June 2003
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In a lot of cases the lack of tax disc will also point to lack of insurance.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

276 months

Tuesday 10th June 2003
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Other new penalties :

s172 failing to identify the driver, £120, 5 points.

No MoT, £60, 3 points.

Failing to display tax disc, £60, 0 points

No insurance, £200, 6 points.


So, overlooking the MoT sets you on the road to a ban and, if your tax disc falls off, it'll put a smile on the face of that nice man Grabbit Brown.

This insidious bunch of sleazeballs who pass for government are hell bent on removing our personal mobility. What next? Points for sneezing.......?

CarZee

13,382 posts

288 months

Tuesday 10th June 2003
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Not having a valid MOT was never previously an endorsable offence was it??

dick dastardly

8,325 posts

284 months

Tuesday 10th June 2003
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mybrainhurts said:
Other new penalties :
No insurance, £200, 6 points.




This should read £2000 fine and a ban. What incentive is there for the average young driver to pay £000's for insurance if they can get away with risking only £200?

CarZee

13,382 posts

288 months

Tuesday 10th June 2003
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I think it's the 6 points that's the important bit.. immediate regression to provisional license for that in the first 2 years and if it happens again, 12 month disqual minimum.

The money is incidental. Barely an admin charge.

I guess it means that they can process more uninsured drivers than the courts can presently cope with & ties in with the ANPR/Insurance database interaction that's coming online.. maybe they're planning to issue automatic NIPs for suspected insurance offenses. Cast a wide net & all that

Not sure how it'd square with fleet policies etc unless there's a modification of the systems underlying the road fund license.

>> Edited by CarZee (moderator) on Tuesday 10th June 22:26

ribbo

64 posts

272 months

Tuesday 10th June 2003
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CarZee said: Not having a valid MOT was never previously an endorsable offence was it??


dunno, but it's okay to drive a car without an MOT TO an MOT workstation, what happens if u get caught then? lots of paperwork probably.

cortinaman

3,230 posts

274 months

Wednesday 18th June 2003
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driving a vehicle without a current mot cert was only a fine,no points.

the only time you are able to drive a car without a current mot on british roads is if you book it at an mot testing station and you drive directly to it and then directly home/to where the car is stored,do not pass go,do not collect £200.

as far as i know this is the only way of doing this legally.

ADL

8,003 posts

272 months

Monday 23rd June 2003
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As far as I am aware shortly a car that fails an MOT will have it details entered on computer. It may then be driven home or to another garage for work. It will not be allowed to be used for any period left on the existing MOT. This must be a good thing so that we get rid of all those unsafe wreck on the roads.
No Mot means No Tax and No Insurance, Aren't all insurance companies sending details to a central computer of all policies being issued, so that eventually the police in cars will be able to pull the 10% of uninsured drivers of the road.
The same technology is being used in Londons pay zone, persistant offenders will have there car tracked as they enter the area and special "Removal Trucks" will go after the said cars, to hold them to ransom!!!!!

Alan420

5,618 posts

279 months

Tuesday 24th June 2003
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Would be nice to get rid of the uninsured amongst us. My mates 1st car was written off by such scum.

BTW Carzee, It was never endorsable to have no MOT.