Porsche driver jailed..............
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And rightly so, by the looks of it.
Interesting point at the bottom of the article though, in its own paragraph..... Apparently they got the car's speed from the ECU......
Beware your sins will find you out......
A Porsche driver was jailed today for killing three pensioners after he crashed into their car during a high-speed race with another motorist.
Adrian Kuti, 42, slammed into the car containing four elderly women during a 100mph race with Richard Cherry, 31, who was driving a high-powered Toyota Celica.
Three of the pensioners in the Proton car died instantly and another was left with debalitating injuries.
Moments before the crash witnesses said Cherry's Porsche was driving so fast it was like a 'plane taking off'.
Kuti, from Sutton, Surrey, and Cherry, from Esher, Surrey, were blasted by a judge for their 'arrogant driving' and sentenced at Guildford Crown Court to seven years prison.
Proton driver, Joan Harp,78, and Joan Clover,83, were killed instantly in the crash on their way home from playing their favourite numbers game.
Another passenger, Kathleen Deards, 83,, was airlifted to hospital where she died from her injuries six days later.
Their friend, Elsie Gallagher, 88, survived but was left with such horrific injuries she will need permanent care for the rest of her life.
During their trial the court had heard how Cherry's Toyota car had actually missed the crash, left the road and slammed into a tree in the incident on March 31 last year.
However, Judge Neil Stewart, sitting at Guildford Crown Court, ruled that as the jury had found him guilty he was just as much to blame for the tragedy as Kuti.
During a two week trial in July, the jury heard how motorists on the A217 Brighton Road in Banstead, Surrey, were stunned when cars raced past them, weaving in and out of traffic and undertaking other vehicles at speeds they estimated between 70mph and 100mph.
It was as the pair dashed along the busy dual carriageway towards its junction with Burgh Wood, that they were confronted with Mrs Harp's car across the road.
She had been trying to join the A217 but had been forced to stop when another driver in a gap in the central reservation had suddenly braked at the sight of Kuti and Cherry hurtling towards her.
The force of the crash hurled two of the elderly women from their car, in the words of a judge "causing a devastating impact which virtually destroyed the Proton."
The four pensioners, all from Banstead, were returning home from one of their regular bingo sessions.
Judge Stewart summarised the horrific events, starting with the race.
He said: "The two of you encountered each other on the A217 and for no good reason you each allowed yourself to be drawn into racing the other.
"Thereafter you were seen by several motorists to be driving at excessive speed, moving from lane to lane."
Following the sentence, Kathleen Deards' son Laurence said: "I think that justice has been served in a certain way.
"Nothing that's happened can change the circumstances and I just think we have got to put this behind us.
Kuti and Cherry were convicted by a jury on three counts of causing death by dangerous driving.
Interesting point at the bottom of the article though, in its own paragraph..... Apparently they got the car's speed from the ECU......
Beware your sins will find you out......
A Porsche driver was jailed today for killing three pensioners after he crashed into their car during a high-speed race with another motorist.
Adrian Kuti, 42, slammed into the car containing four elderly women during a 100mph race with Richard Cherry, 31, who was driving a high-powered Toyota Celica.
Three of the pensioners in the Proton car died instantly and another was left with debalitating injuries.
Moments before the crash witnesses said Cherry's Porsche was driving so fast it was like a 'plane taking off'.
Kuti, from Sutton, Surrey, and Cherry, from Esher, Surrey, were blasted by a judge for their 'arrogant driving' and sentenced at Guildford Crown Court to seven years prison.
Proton driver, Joan Harp,78, and Joan Clover,83, were killed instantly in the crash on their way home from playing their favourite numbers game.
Another passenger, Kathleen Deards, 83,, was airlifted to hospital where she died from her injuries six days later.
Their friend, Elsie Gallagher, 88, survived but was left with such horrific injuries she will need permanent care for the rest of her life.
During their trial the court had heard how Cherry's Toyota car had actually missed the crash, left the road and slammed into a tree in the incident on March 31 last year.
However, Judge Neil Stewart, sitting at Guildford Crown Court, ruled that as the jury had found him guilty he was just as much to blame for the tragedy as Kuti.
During a two week trial in July, the jury heard how motorists on the A217 Brighton Road in Banstead, Surrey, were stunned when cars raced past them, weaving in and out of traffic and undertaking other vehicles at speeds they estimated between 70mph and 100mph.
It was as the pair dashed along the busy dual carriageway towards its junction with Burgh Wood, that they were confronted with Mrs Harp's car across the road.
She had been trying to join the A217 but had been forced to stop when another driver in a gap in the central reservation had suddenly braked at the sight of Kuti and Cherry hurtling towards her.
The force of the crash hurled two of the elderly women from their car, in the words of a judge "causing a devastating impact which virtually destroyed the Proton."
The four pensioners, all from Banstead, were returning home from one of their regular bingo sessions.
Judge Stewart summarised the horrific events, starting with the race.
He said: "The two of you encountered each other on the A217 and for no good reason you each allowed yourself to be drawn into racing the other.
"Thereafter you were seen by several motorists to be driving at excessive speed, moving from lane to lane."
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Following the sentence, Kathleen Deards' son Laurence said: "I think that justice has been served in a certain way.
"Nothing that's happened can change the circumstances and I just think we have got to put this behind us.
Kuti and Cherry were convicted by a jury on three counts of causing death by dangerous driving.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Wednesday 29th August 17:43
2 drivers driving cars were driving slightly over the speed limit and met a car that had stopped ACROSS a dual carriageway. Yes they were both speeding but the other car was across a dual carriageway!!!!
Had the two cars been police cars I wonder what the headline would have been? Tragic accident caused by OAP with no road sense?
I'm not excusing anyone for doing 80 in a 40, frankly driving at 50 in a 40 is damned reckless and frankly stupid, but just look at some of the comments (high powered toyota) (like a plane taking off) the terminal speeds were not that high at all, 70-100 along a dual carriageway? It was the innapropriate speed and also the Oap that caused this one I'm afraid. It would maybe have been avoidable at 40mph, who knows, but frankly it should never have happened......Then again it wouldn't have made such a good headline as Porsche driver kills would it.
Had the two cars been police cars I wonder what the headline would have been? Tragic accident caused by OAP with no road sense?
I'm not excusing anyone for doing 80 in a 40, frankly driving at 50 in a 40 is damned reckless and frankly stupid, but just look at some of the comments (high powered toyota) (like a plane taking off) the terminal speeds were not that high at all, 70-100 along a dual carriageway? It was the innapropriate speed and also the Oap that caused this one I'm afraid. It would maybe have been avoidable at 40mph, who knows, but frankly it should never have happened......Then again it wouldn't have made such a good headline as Porsche driver kills would it.
Vesuvius 996 said:
And rightly so, by the looks of it.
Interesting point at the bottom of the article though, in its own paragraph..... Apparently they got the car's speed from the ECU......
Beware your sins will find you out......
A Porsche driver was jailed today for killing three pensioners after he crashed into their car during a high-speed race with another motorist.
Adrian Kuti, 42, slammed into the car containing four elderly women during a 100mph race with Richard Cherry, 31, who was driving a high-powered Toyota Celica.
Three of the pensioners in the Proton car died instantly and another was left with debalitating injuries.
Moments before the crash witnesses said Cherry's Porsche was driving so fast it was like a 'plane taking off'.
Kuti, from Sutton, Surrey, and Cherry, from Esher, Surrey, were blasted by a judge for their 'arrogant driving' and sentenced at Guildford Crown Court to seven years prison.
Proton driver, Joan Harp,78, and Joan Clover,83, were killed instantly in the crash on their way home from playing their favourite numbers game.
Another passenger, Kathleen Deards, 83,, was airlifted to hospital where she died from her injuries six days later.
Their friend, Elsie Gallagher, 88, survived but was left with such horrific injuries she will need permanent care for the rest of her life.
During their trial the court had heard how Cherry's Toyota car had actually missed the crash, left the road and slammed into a tree in the incident on March 31 last year.
However, Judge Neil Stewart, sitting at Guildford Crown Court, ruled that as the jury had found him guilty he was just as much to blame for the tragedy as Kuti.
During a two week trial in July, the jury heard how motorists on the A217 Brighton Road in Banstead, Surrey, were stunned when cars raced past them, weaving in and out of traffic and undertaking other vehicles at speeds they estimated between 70mph and 100mph.
It was as the pair dashed along the busy dual carriageway towards its junction with Burgh Wood, that they were confronted with Mrs Harp's car across the road.
She had been trying to join the A217 but had been forced to stop when another driver in a gap in the central reservation had suddenly braked at the sight of Kuti and Cherry hurtling towards her.
The force of the crash hurled two of the elderly women from their car, in the words of a judge "causing a devastating impact which virtually destroyed the Proton."
The four pensioners, all from Banstead, were returning home from one of their regular bingo sessions.
Judge Stewart summarised the horrific events, starting with the race.
He said: "The two of you encountered each other on the A217 and for no good reason you each allowed yourself to be drawn into racing the other.
"Thereafter you were seen by several motorists to be driving at excessive speed, moving from lane to lane."
Following the sentence, Kathleen Deards' son Laurence said: "I think that justice has been served in a certain way.
"Nothing that's happened can change the circumstances and I just think we have got to put this behind us.
Kuti and Cherry were convicted by a jury on three counts of causing death by dangerous driving.
:gulp:Interesting point at the bottom of the article though, in its own paragraph..... Apparently they got the car's speed from the ECU......
Beware your sins will find you out......
A Porsche driver was jailed today for killing three pensioners after he crashed into their car during a high-speed race with another motorist.
Adrian Kuti, 42, slammed into the car containing four elderly women during a 100mph race with Richard Cherry, 31, who was driving a high-powered Toyota Celica.
Three of the pensioners in the Proton car died instantly and another was left with debalitating injuries.
Moments before the crash witnesses said Cherry's Porsche was driving so fast it was like a 'plane taking off'.
Kuti, from Sutton, Surrey, and Cherry, from Esher, Surrey, were blasted by a judge for their 'arrogant driving' and sentenced at Guildford Crown Court to seven years prison.
Proton driver, Joan Harp,78, and Joan Clover,83, were killed instantly in the crash on their way home from playing their favourite numbers game.
Another passenger, Kathleen Deards, 83,, was airlifted to hospital where she died from her injuries six days later.
Their friend, Elsie Gallagher, 88, survived but was left with such horrific injuries she will need permanent care for the rest of her life.
During their trial the court had heard how Cherry's Toyota car had actually missed the crash, left the road and slammed into a tree in the incident on March 31 last year.
However, Judge Neil Stewart, sitting at Guildford Crown Court, ruled that as the jury had found him guilty he was just as much to blame for the tragedy as Kuti.
During a two week trial in July, the jury heard how motorists on the A217 Brighton Road in Banstead, Surrey, were stunned when cars raced past them, weaving in and out of traffic and undertaking other vehicles at speeds they estimated between 70mph and 100mph.
It was as the pair dashed along the busy dual carriageway towards its junction with Burgh Wood, that they were confronted with Mrs Harp's car across the road.
She had been trying to join the A217 but had been forced to stop when another driver in a gap in the central reservation had suddenly braked at the sight of Kuti and Cherry hurtling towards her.
The force of the crash hurled two of the elderly women from their car, in the words of a judge "causing a devastating impact which virtually destroyed the Proton."
The four pensioners, all from Banstead, were returning home from one of their regular bingo sessions.
Judge Stewart summarised the horrific events, starting with the race.
He said: "The two of you encountered each other on the A217 and for no good reason you each allowed yourself to be drawn into racing the other.
"Thereafter you were seen by several motorists to be driving at excessive speed, moving from lane to lane."
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Following the sentence, Kathleen Deards' son Laurence said: "I think that justice has been served in a certain way.
"Nothing that's happened can change the circumstances and I just think we have got to put this behind us.
Kuti and Cherry were convicted by a jury on three counts of causing death by dangerous driving.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Wednesday 29th August 17:43
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I'm not condoning doing 80mph in a busy 40mph road, nor street racing.
said:
The force of the crash hurled two of the elderly women from their car,
but this is a scene you traditionally see when people are not wearing seat belts. I wonder if the article weighs up all circumstances of the accident. Do you have a link, Vesuvius?The interesting point that the article and judgement makes is the role of the other driver Cherry. The second driver by virtue of the fact he was active in the “street race” was also found complicit and hence received the hefty sentence. Even though he did not hit the car and may have swerved to avoid the accident.
So……. Next time one of us sits at the lights with some youth in a Honda Type R wanting to test you best not rise to the bate. If he ploughs into a car and you are seen to be complicit then it could be a sentence. Seven years in jail is a long time for proving a Type R is no match for a Porsche.
So……. Next time one of us sits at the lights with some youth in a Honda Type R wanting to test you best not rise to the bate. If he ploughs into a car and you are seen to be complicit then it could be a sentence. Seven years in jail is a long time for proving a Type R is no match for a Porsche.
Edited by JLF on Wednesday 5th September 00:41
wildoliver said:
Yes they were both speeding but the other car was across a dual carriageway!!!!
Sorry Oliver but I disagree. One of the basic rules of Roadcraft is to drive to the limit of what you can see ... for them not to have seen in advance a car already stopped across a dual carriageway shows unbelievable and catastrophic lack of observation no matter what speed they were doing.It appears that if she had been stationary but facing the right way simply in a line of stationary traffic she would have still been a gonna.
JLF said:
The interesting point that the article and judgement makes is the role of the other driver Cherry. The second driver by virtue of the fact he was active in the “street race” was also found complicit and hence received the hefty sentence. Even though he did not hit the car and may have swerved to avoid the accident.
Vesuvius' article doesn't mention it, whereas Gazboy's source said:
The court heard that Kuti had been jailed for five years in 1992 for a road-rage attack where he sprayed ammonia in the face of another driver.
Cherry, described as a career highflier who had been through a 'living hell' since the crash, had no previous criminal record but did have six points on his licence for speeding.
So the equal punishment for both drivers could as well be based upon the more aggressive history of the non-crashing driver Cherry, described as a career highflier who had been through a 'living hell' since the crash, had no previous criminal record but did have six points on his licence for speeding.
964RS said:
Does anyone know what happened to the guy who had the crash in the Gumball that sparked such controversy by the way???
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1008...Edited by 955 GUY on Wednesday 29th August 22:19
Burriana don't get me wrong I am far from condoning their behaviour, it sounds like they were both very silly, made a very poor judgment and it ended in tragedy, but how many of us haven't made a poor judgment call? Maybe had a near miss and realised how lucky we were? I'm the first one to cast the first stone at people who hit cars in front due to not looking far enough ahead or following too close, it is a terrible habit.
But come on the oap's were far from blameless, who knows had they not been across the carriageway the cars could have avoided here, it is too late now, I do question whether the media coverage and sentence would have been the same if it were a volvo and vectra involved?
But come on the oap's were far from blameless, who knows had they not been across the carriageway the cars could have avoided here, it is too late now, I do question whether the media coverage and sentence would have been the same if it were a volvo and vectra involved?
wildoliver said:
But come on the oap's were far from blameless, who knows had they not been across the carriageway the cars could have avoided here, it is too late now.
Oliver old bean, on reading your first post on this topic I was tempted to brand you a tit for your totally insensitive comments, however I gave you the benefit of the doubt. On reading your second post where you confirm your comments, I can say that only Jordan or perhaps Rick Waller has a bigger pair of tits than you. I dont think you know the road in question; it may well be a dual carriageway, however it is restricted to 40mph along most of its length due to the sheer volume of traffic and also, perhaps more importantly, the fact that there are a lot of feeder roads from very slow 20/30mph urban streets straight onto the A217, and also a lot of crossings where you have cars crossing 2 lanes of carriageway and join the fast lane of the opposing 2 lanes of carriageway - this makes it especially dangerous, hence the low limit.
There is nothing to say that these people didnt quite innocently attempt to filter into the traffic flow, or to cross the road. I used to live very near Banstead where this accident happened and it is pretty hairy; Ive have been in a similar situation once or twice when you think theres room to go and then the person in front stops for no real reason, or someone hoons round a bend at 70/80 and you have to slam the anchors on.
Perhaps the guys racing should have had better road sense? Surely if you hit a stationary object, similarly if you rear-end another driver, YOU are at fault. Or perhaps they were just irresponsoble w
rs? I dont think I will bother to flip a coin on that one....Blaming the OAPs because they are, in your eyes, old and decrepit, seems a bit shitty of you.
If I was you I would be grateful my old Gramps 'doesnt do internet'... if he did and he saw your comments, he would be over to your place to kick your scrawny arse.
Oh god not again i've been done over by 3 grandads this week.
Your right I don't know the road, only how it sounds from the story, at no point have I said it wasn't the drivers faults if you read my posts though. Was just trying to get across the point that: As soon as a Porsche is involved in any crash it is automatically their fault and their fault alone. Doesn't matter if the road is a 40 or a 70 they hit a car that was stationary, therefore were driving too fast to be able to stop in the space they could see. Their fault. But seriously while some oap's drive very well I could imagine the kind of drivers these were, and they should not have blocked a dual carriageway.
Your right I don't know the road, only how it sounds from the story, at no point have I said it wasn't the drivers faults if you read my posts though. Was just trying to get across the point that: As soon as a Porsche is involved in any crash it is automatically their fault and their fault alone. Doesn't matter if the road is a 40 or a 70 they hit a car that was stationary, therefore were driving too fast to be able to stop in the space they could see. Their fault. But seriously while some oap's drive very well I could imagine the kind of drivers these were, and they should not have blocked a dual carriageway.
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