Police Industrial Action?
Discussion
The chairman of the Police Federation in my force has been quoted in The Bristol Evening Post as saying that 80% of officers in Avon and Somerset would consider industrial action in support of our current pay claim.
Bearing in mind that a strike would be illegal, I wonder where this is all leading.
I reckon any govt that presided over a police strike would be doomed, politically.
I wonder how long we would have to strike for. About 15 minutes would be enough surely?
Bearing in mind that a strike would be illegal, I wonder where this is all leading.
I reckon any govt that presided over a police strike would be doomed, politically.
I wonder how long we would have to strike for. About 15 minutes would be enough surely?
Please keep me informed exactly when the police are thinking of striking... I feel like an instant payrise by way of armed robbery 
No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
But if it was illegal surely you'd all have to arrest yourselves or each other?!
Who'd do all the paperwork? Wouldn't the cells be full? What about if there was some comedy mix-up when belts/shoelaces are returned?
How would the donut retailers survive if you're all in jail?
I don't think you guys have thought this through.
Who'd do all the paperwork? Wouldn't the cells be full? What about if there was some comedy mix-up when belts/shoelaces are returned?
How would the donut retailers survive if you're all in jail?
I don't think you guys have thought this through.
Santa Claws said:
Please keep me informed exactly when the police are thinking of striking... I feel like an instant payrise by way of armed robbery
No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
Trouble is the armed services are a bit busy at the moment...No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
Chrispy Porker said:
Santa Claws said:
Please keep me informed exactly when the police are thinking of striking... I feel like an instant payrise by way of armed robbery
No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
Trouble is the armed services are a bit busy at the moment...No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
They will not strike as the goverment would never give in and they know it. It would also allow them to sell off bits like highways, and traffic to someone who might make a donation to their coffers. They would promote the PCSO people and give them some power and have a reduced size police.
Just look at the prison service one day, they had a court hearing bullied the leaders and end of strike.
I applaude the police in everything except the hounding of motorists at the behest of goverment. We need better direction from the top and whilst there are Cheif constables who are political pawns we will never have what we deserve
Just look at the prison service one day, they had a court hearing bullied the leaders and end of strike.
I applaude the police in everything except the hounding of motorists at the behest of goverment. We need better direction from the top and whilst there are Cheif constables who are political pawns we will never have what we deserve
Dwight VanDriver said:
Seems to me the Police Service is changing from a Vocation (old days) to Vacation (modern times).
There are those who worked for nigh on nowt.......and proud to do so
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There are those who worked for nigh on nowt.......and proud to do so
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Liebchen - I 
your set of values. No one saying efforts should not be rewarded. But when you compare public sector pay to private sector pay - they not really on such a bad deal in real terms & conditions & rewards. But you enter such jobs with eyes wide open as you know that joining police/armed forces/medicine/teaching/fire fighting - they demand dedication. But I also agree that such dedication receive due & fair
, but not OTT rewards.
Ach sure - it not a job I would like to do. I originally train in medicine (it required on way to becoming a specialist medicine research scientist"
. Lot of people think Health Services pay far too much for what I do for living - including the Swiss government who scathing about our "pricing policy" 
But ho hum! )But like the Mad Doc - I spent some sessions in A&E which not at all nice. I also had to do nasty junior hours as well. But me und Mad Doc... we never entered our profession with cash registers in heads. It was love of what we training to do. When we started - we earned less than trainee accountants und lawyers. We know this as we each have cousins/siblings in those professions. At present - I think we on par salary wise .. but the Mad Doc works far longer hours und has one heck of a responsiblity on his shoulders given he the senior "lurgy" man for his patch. I design medicines which fight serious diseases. I also have one heck of a responsibility as I can be in deepest bother of epic tabloid gutter press proportions
over the slightest over-reacted side effect. But what about our teachers? We also have cousins/siblings who teach for living. They work agonisingly hard . marking exam scripts, preparing schemes of work, working to some deranged "target", told by me that "the exams are watered down" if the kids achieve und also told by me "that she not work hard enough" when her charges not reach this target
(If you think things get heated on PH fora.. try being fly on wall at a feline get-together where strong minds clash
But we still all firm solid pals with our family members all the same But back to what I was saying.. teachers.. nurses.. firemen.. prison officers.. doctors (especially junior to middle ranks) - they all work very hard for their money. It illegal for these to strike per recent court injunctions too. But these professions face just the same nastiness as the policemen.
None of them can strike legally. They can withdraw "goodwill" such as unpaid overtime to finish the job or withdraw some "PR/fraternise with public" exercises completed in "free" time
They can legally "work to rule" und not accept overtime
This difficult as most in private sector will work unpaid overtime whereas the public sector are paid it. It could cut off nose to spite face .. but would show up the level of over-work required even if paid at time und half/double time rates as I am aware that some officers want time with family und not be required to spend rest days covering for the sicky pulling skivers (this latter require weeding out. My firm allow generous sick leave of full pay for 12 weeks .. reducing pro rata to 28 weeks - at which point they ask questions of the sick person as we cannot subsidise to that extent - with interviews designed to help them back to work/health. If this fails .. it business after all But in public sector ..work or play ..it seem to us that you get the pay Chrispy Porker said:
Well unless you were working pre-1919 the conditions you worked under came about largely as a result of the strike in that year.
I didn't realise that officers were proud to have to claim income support ( or the equivalent) in the 1970's.
It like nurses saying they ate leftovers from the patients' dire stewed tasteless offerings.I didn't realise that officers were proud to have to claim income support ( or the equivalent) in the 1970's.
It nonsense. It never occurred. I never see this when training. Mad Doc never seen this from training to date either.
It hearsay. Beside per chatting to older members of UK family - income support - like now - it required a lot of form filling. Those with gift of gab or penchant for fibbles received.
Mad Doc und his siblings never received a full student grant or any help. But pals on the course did. When parents met parents.. it seems Mad Doc's parents told the truth about circumstances
Basically - you play system to gets the cash.
Mad Doc notes to me as I type this that ex-public sector/civil servants have a certain "know how" here Chrispy Porker said:
Santa Claws said:
Please keep me informed exactly when the police are thinking of striking... I feel like an instant payrise by way of armed robbery
No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
Trouble is the armed services are a bit busy at the moment...No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
As you have probably guessed, it is my opinion that a professional should never be allowed to strike.
Also, I do not like the situation of the current government and current "system" of "sending in t'boys (army)" every single time some civvy can't handle something. Alas, that is an argument for another time.
Santa Claws said:
Chrispy Porker said:
Santa Claws said:
Please keep me informed exactly when the police are thinking of striking... I feel like an instant payrise by way of armed robbery
No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
Trouble is the armed services are a bit busy at the moment...No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
As you have probably guessed, it is my opinion that a professional should never be allowed to strike.
Also, I do not like the situation of the current government and current "system" of "sending in t'boys (army)" every single time some civvy can't handle something. Alas, that is an argument for another time.
But if police/fire/medics strike .. then to protect public . the government has to draw on secondary forces who are trained to cope at very least.
I will agree that folk should be rewarded for services rendered but that this in keeping with average incomes for those employed with somilar levels of qualification/services rendered to society at large. It not suggesting a short change. But reality of life und a public purse
Personaly I would never strike. I don't agree with those of us in this sort of job (nurses/fire servie etc) putting the welfare of those we serv at risk. I took an oath I believe in. If I wanted to earn good money I would do a different job.
I won't criticise those that did but moraly I could not.
I won't criticise those that did but moraly I could not.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Personaly I would never strike. I don't agree with those of us in this sort of job (nurses/fire servie etc) putting the welfare of those we serv at risk. I took an oath I believe in. If I wanted to earn good money I would do a different job.
I won't criticise those that did but moraly I could not.
Fair enough - everyone is entitled to their own opinion!I won't criticise those that did but moraly I could not.
Except under the current Labour government
Chrispy Porker said:
Santa Claws said:
Please keep me informed exactly when the police are thinking of striking... I feel like an instant payrise by way of armed robbery
No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
Trouble is the armed services are a bit busy at the moment...No doubt, IF such a strike happened, the army would be called in to keep law and order (not that this would be a bad thing - for once there would actually be JUSTICE on the streets)
- StreakyWildCat said:
Chrispy Porker said:
Well unless you were working pre-1919 the conditions you worked under came about largely as a result of the strike in that year.
I didn't realise that officers were proud to have to claim income support ( or the equivalent) in the 1970's.
It like nurses saying they ate leftovers from the patients' dire stewed tasteless offerings.I didn't realise that officers were proud to have to claim income support ( or the equivalent) in the 1970's.
It nonsense. It never occurred. I never see this when training. Mad Doc never seen this from training to date either.
It hearsay. Beside per chatting to older members of UK family - income support - like now - it required a lot of form filling. Those with gift of gab or penchant for fibbles received.
Mad Doc und his siblings never received a full student grant or any help. But pals on the course did. When parents met parents.. it seems Mad Doc's parents told the truth about circumstances
Basically - you play system to gets the cash.
Mad Doc notes to me as I type this that ex-public sector/civil servants have a certain "know how" here I don't know about nurses or doctors pay.
In an ieal world; police officers, nurses, firefighters, ambulance/paramedic personnel, armed forces etc would get a worthwile pay to reflect their importance in society.
Instead, they get
ed over. All whilst some rockstar/footballer/whatever is raking in millions for whoring themselves all over the press.
Sigh.
Instead, they get
ed over. All whilst some rockstar/footballer/whatever is raking in millions for whoring themselves all over the press.Sigh.
Santa Claws said:
In an ieal world; police officers, nurses, firefighters, ambulance/paramedic personnel, armed forces etc would get a worthwile pay to reflect their importance in society.
Instead, they geted over. All whilst some rockstar/footballer/whatever is raking in millions for whoring themselves all over the press.
Sigh.
Police officers perform a service. Rock stars/footballers/whatever sell a product.Instead, they get
ed over. All whilst some rockstar/footballer/whatever is raking in millions for whoring themselves all over the press.Sigh.
The two are not comparable.
Edited by Parrot of Doom on Saturday 1st September 23:00
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