is there visual differences between the pilgrim and dax body
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hi folks,
i've kind of give up on the idea of a GT1, now turning my attention to a cobra replica.
i'm looking at both the dax and the pilgrim, with the obvious pro's of the pilgrim is the price,
bit i'm looking at them and the dax does look better but i can't point out the reason why i don't know whether i'ts just that i've never seen a good picture of a pilgrim with big wheels on or is there an actual difference in the shape of the body. does any one have the answer!!!!
thanks,
adam.
i've kind of give up on the idea of a GT1, now turning my attention to a cobra replica.
i'm looking at both the dax and the pilgrim, with the obvious pro's of the pilgrim is the price,
bit i'm looking at them and the dax does look better but i can't point out the reason why i don't know whether i'ts just that i've never seen a good picture of a pilgrim with big wheels on or is there an actual difference in the shape of the body. does any one have the answer!!!!
thanks,
adam.
go to a kit car event- there's quite a lot around
if you can't see the difference in the flesh between the two then buy the pilgrim- then go and get you eyes tested
there are really 3-4 body shapes doing the rounds.
there is a 289 based kit which you won't see very often (and off the top i can't remember who does a 289- i think crendon do and GD had the mouldings for one)
there is what i call a part 427 look- a la gardner douglas. doesn't have the huge rear haunches but they are still quite flared
then there is the full 427 look like the Dax and pilgrim
finally and most rarely there is the full hardtop.
in the flesh (to me anyway) the dax and the pilgrim look worlds apart- pilgrims often have problems with ride height to the rear- often haev too much air showing. You will 100% notice the difference when the engine starts or you open the bonnet as well.
if you can't see the difference in the flesh between the two then buy the pilgrim- then go and get you eyes tested
there are really 3-4 body shapes doing the rounds.
there is a 289 based kit which you won't see very often (and off the top i can't remember who does a 289- i think crendon do and GD had the mouldings for one)
there is what i call a part 427 look- a la gardner douglas. doesn't have the huge rear haunches but they are still quite flared
then there is the full 427 look like the Dax and pilgrim
finally and most rarely there is the full hardtop.
in the flesh (to me anyway) the dax and the pilgrim look worlds apart- pilgrims often have problems with ride height to the rear- often haev too much air showing. You will 100% notice the difference when the engine starts or you open the bonnet as well.
pugwash4x4 said:
go to a kit car event- there's quite a lot around
if you can't see the difference in the flesh between the two then buy the pilgrim- then go and get you eyes tested
there are really 3-4 body shapes doing the rounds.
there is a 289 based kit which you won't see very often (and off the top i can't remember who does a 289- i think crendon do and GD had the mouldings for one)
there is what i call a part 427 look- a la gardner douglas. doesn't have the huge rear haunches but they are still quite flared
then there is the full 427 look like the Dax and pilgrim
finally and most rarely there is the full hardtop.
in the flesh (to me anyway) the dax and the pilgrim look worlds apart- pilgrims often have problems with ride height to the rear- often haev too much air showing. You will 100% notice the difference when the engine starts or you open the bonnet as well.
that's what i mean, is there any actual differences in the body itself or is it things like ride height, wheels etc...if you can't see the difference in the flesh between the two then buy the pilgrim- then go and get you eyes tested
there are really 3-4 body shapes doing the rounds.
there is a 289 based kit which you won't see very often (and off the top i can't remember who does a 289- i think crendon do and GD had the mouldings for one)
there is what i call a part 427 look- a la gardner douglas. doesn't have the huge rear haunches but they are still quite flared
then there is the full 427 look like the Dax and pilgrim
finally and most rarely there is the full hardtop.
in the flesh (to me anyway) the dax and the pilgrim look worlds apart- pilgrims often have problems with ride height to the rear- often haev too much air showing. You will 100% notice the difference when the engine starts or you open the bonnet as well.
Yes, you do find minor differences in the bodies of the various Cobra replicas, though wheel/tyre sizes and suspension/ride height can make a bigger difference to the overall look of the car.
The latest issue of totalkitcar magazine has group test of Cobra replicas so might be worth you getting that to compare what's available. And of course there's the Donington show coming up on the 15/16th of this month.
The latest issue of totalkitcar magazine has group test of Cobra replicas so might be worth you getting that to compare what's available. And of course there's the Donington show coming up on the 15/16th of this month.
To answer your question - yes, anyone who has even a bit of an 'eye' can spot a Sumo a mile off. That said (and almost to contradict myself!) our local region of the Cobra club has a Sumo which is closer to the real thing than any of the region reps by a Texan mile. HOWEVER.... to get to that stage required immense amounts of body surgery including reshaping the front arches (a major sumo offender), physically cutting the rear arches off and moving them forward (and aligning them!!) plus grafting on the SC lip, removing the wiper moldings, glassing a rear offside sunken aston filler etc. amongst many, many other things.
It's a stunning, stunning car with correct interior down to proper steering wheel (i.e. small boss Mota lita not the usual large boss), L542's, quick lifts, Raydyots, Lucas tripods, correct short sidepipes (white), Guardsman blue, wimbledon white tappered stripes with roundels etc. etc. - it goes on and on - and is a testament to just exactly what you can do with a Sumo if you have the determination!
Actually it's really crying out for a mag feature as it must be - actually I think I can safely say it IS the best Sumo in the country. period.
Anyway back to your dilema - it's Dax open day on the 8th - there'll be heaps of Daxes to look at there.
It's a stunning, stunning car with correct interior down to proper steering wheel (i.e. small boss Mota lita not the usual large boss), L542's, quick lifts, Raydyots, Lucas tripods, correct short sidepipes (white), Guardsman blue, wimbledon white tappered stripes with roundels etc. etc. - it goes on and on - and is a testament to just exactly what you can do with a Sumo if you have the determination!
Actually it's really crying out for a mag feature as it must be - actually I think I can safely say it IS the best Sumo in the country. period.
Anyway back to your dilema - it's Dax open day on the 8th - there'll be heaps of Daxes to look at there.
Hawk produce the 289 bodied car as well as an fia wide body 289 and authentic ali (Kirkham) 427 replicas.
To my mind Dax & GD produce fairly convincing 427 bodies which certainly look close dimensionally. Other manufacturers may also use authentic body shapes.
Then you have older bodies such as the Cobretti Viper with huge front arches and then the newer Pilgrims which also differ to the original. Magnums I understand are lower and wider.
A Dax is certainly much closer to the original shape than a Pilgrim.
To my mind Dax & GD produce fairly convincing 427 bodies which certainly look close dimensionally. Other manufacturers may also use authentic body shapes.
Then you have older bodies such as the Cobretti Viper with huge front arches and then the newer Pilgrims which also differ to the original. Magnums I understand are lower and wider.
A Dax is certainly much closer to the original shape than a Pilgrim.
GD now have the Mk4 body which is splashed straight off an AC MkIV so is the most accurate you'll get for a budget. Kirkham is going to cost you mega bucks but is superb (ask Shelby!).
Crendon, which is often cited as being very accurate, as far I know(?) is not splashed from an original but is a rehashed AK body (which they originally used to use unaltered (albeit specifically with internal boot hinges)
Crendon, which is often cited as being very accurate, as far I know(?) is not splashed from an original but is a rehashed AK body (which they originally used to use unaltered (albeit specifically with internal boot hinges)
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