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I am the proud owner of a 993 4s.
I just love the car but I want more power...
I could sell the car and buy a 993 turbo.
I think the line of the 4s without the spoiler is a lot more elegant than the turbo. This is kind of holding me off buying a turbo.
I have never driven a 933 turbo and would like to know how it compares with a NA.
I would love to know your views.
I could also go and see 9m and have those 9m heads fitted(10k) and get mk1 power(360bhp).
I don't know what to do...
I just love the car but I want more power...
I could sell the car and buy a 993 turbo.
I think the line of the 4s without the spoiler is a lot more elegant than the turbo. This is kind of holding me off buying a turbo.
I have never driven a 933 turbo and would like to know how it compares with a NA.
I would love to know your views.
I could also go and see 9m and have those 9m heads fitted(10k) and get mk1 power(360bhp).
I don't know what to do...
sleep envy said:
smilyduck said:
I have never driven a 933 turbo and would like to know how it compares with a NA
have a look on the dash and passenger door handle for nail indentations...sleep envy said:
have a look on the dash and passenger door handle for nail indentations...
He's talking from experience - my car was never the same after that :-)You have to drive it. My C4S was the best car i have ever owned, bar none. I love my C2, but i'd have my C4S back in a second. I'm sure there are guys on here who would say the same about their turbos, but i don't miss my turbo as much as i miss my C4S.
Yeah, the 993tt is fast. But to me, using it as a daily driver, it just wasn't as much fun as a C2 or C4S.
What he said 
My C4S was so exciting to drive. You felt everything from the road through the suspension and steering, the body control was fabulous, the brakes could makes your eyes pop out of your head, and the grip was amazing (driven like a 911, not like any other rwd car of course). The engine note and the immediacy of the throttle response was key to this experience. The C2 is along the same lines, but is much more poised on the (lower) limits and as a result much more fun to *play* with at legal speeds.
The turbo is the ultimate weapon. If i couldn't get done for speeding and i couldn't kill some poor innocent bystander then the turbo would be my choice. But in the real world it's just so fast before you really start to get anywhere near its limits that the rest of the population are at real risk and so are you!
Okay, it's different for me than for a lot of people because i tend not to track my cars but i drive them pretty hard every day, and having done about 90k miles in my 993s in all weathers i have a reasonable amount of real world experience with these things now (IMHO!), but i think this goes back to basics...
Three guys going from south wales to north wales, whatever route they want. One in an Audi RS6, one in an original Lotus Elan, one in a Pug 205 1.9 GTi.
Chances are the Audi would get there first, but the biggest grins would be split between the Lotus and the Pug. Fast and fun do NOT always go hand in hand.
So do you want to go fast or do you want to have fun? If it's the latter, i'd stick with your C4S or sell it and buy an RS (964 or 993).
Just my £0.02
My C4S was so exciting to drive. You felt everything from the road through the suspension and steering, the body control was fabulous, the brakes could makes your eyes pop out of your head, and the grip was amazing (driven like a 911, not like any other rwd car of course). The engine note and the immediacy of the throttle response was key to this experience. The C2 is along the same lines, but is much more poised on the (lower) limits and as a result much more fun to *play* with at legal speeds.
The turbo is the ultimate weapon. If i couldn't get done for speeding and i couldn't kill some poor innocent bystander then the turbo would be my choice. But in the real world it's just so fast before you really start to get anywhere near its limits that the rest of the population are at real risk and so are you!
Okay, it's different for me than for a lot of people because i tend not to track my cars but i drive them pretty hard every day, and having done about 90k miles in my 993s in all weathers i have a reasonable amount of real world experience with these things now (IMHO!), but i think this goes back to basics...
Three guys going from south wales to north wales, whatever route they want. One in an Audi RS6, one in an original Lotus Elan, one in a Pug 205 1.9 GTi.
Chances are the Audi would get there first, but the biggest grins would be split between the Lotus and the Pug. Fast and fun do NOT always go hand in hand.
So do you want to go fast or do you want to have fun? If it's the latter, i'd stick with your C4S or sell it and buy an RS (964 or 993).
Just my £0.02
Go for the 996 turbo, fantastic to drive, hasnt got the ugly spoiler (I do agree it spoils the line), much more modern interior and easier to get a good one. I have a 964 Turbo II which I love to bits for the sheer event of driving it (much more exciting than the C2 or C4 but only after you learn to drive it)and a 996TT and theres no doubt which is the most accomplished car and it aint the Turbo II.
Keep the C4S and tweak it a bit, i agree i have a 97 C4S that i love but sometimes long for more get up and go, but i always seem to compare it with my 965t2 i had, which was blisteringly quick, but no where near as much fun as the C4S, as a drivers car. Can't comment on the 993TT but have heard numerous owners who have had both prefer the normally aspirated, as mentioned earlier you could opt for the now cheaper 996TT, i've thought long and hard about this myself, but then don't want the depreciation and characterless looks
One fundemental point though you have the prettiest metal to have left Stuttgart.
One fundemental point though you have the prettiest metal to have left Stuttgart.
Edited by Crimp a Length on Tuesday 4th September 17:02
A 911 Turbo MUST have a spoiler, it's part of the character of the car - which the 993 turbo was the ultimate. The spoiler on the air cooled turbos were not just for looks. That was secondary. They are there to house the intercooler and to provide downforce. A great example of function before form on these cars 
Edited by Silver993tt on Tuesday 4th September 17:55
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