3200 engine out for crankshaft problem

[vulcan1208]

I am in the unfortunate position of having to have the engine out of my 2002 manual 3200 for the much discussed crankshaft endfloat issue, does anyone know if it would add much additional cost to change the clutch whilst the engine is out, I had the clutch changed about 18 months/ 20k miles ago at a cost of £2000 but am not sure how much of that was labour.

[s3200h]

did you have the last clutch done at a main dealer? i think it takes around 8 hours, so buy the clutch from eurospares @ £350 and a good independent £320ish just under £800 with the nice VAT. would say the labour would be a lot less with the engine out. what is the mileage on the car at the moment?

[vulcan1208]

Yes the last clutch was main dealer supplied and fitted, but the engine out job is being done at a main dealer and I just wondered if they would charge much more to do a clutch whilst the engine is out, it's going to be a huge bill anyway so "in for a penny in for a pound".....currently at 58k miles ( with lots of in town stop start motoring )

Edited by vulcan1208 on Tuesday 4th September 16:17

[vulcan1208]

Crikey, just saw your running costs for 11 months...and I thought mine at £9k for a year was expensive

[mr_tony]

Vulcan - a bright red 2002 Non asetto corsa - would that be 'my' 3200? (see my profile to check - did you get it from masmad here?)

If not it still makes me misty eyed looking at the pic - red is def the best colour for the 3200

Rich

[vulcan1208]

Afraid not, (it is an AC) I got it from Meridien at 3yrs/ 10k miles and done 48k more in it since ( mostly trouble free ).

[mr_tony]

Congrats - looks awesome - and good work getting an AC - was always jealous until I got the tubi on my standard car!

Just got excited seeing the colour and checking the mileage and knowing it was an 02 (not many of those about) - should have looked more closely to see it was an AC...

I'm hoping that one day I'll be able to buy back my old one as I still have a massive soft spot for the 3200 - I'm sure it will end up being an icon

[3200gt]

Aren't the chains supposed to be replaced at 64k miles, thats a engine out job also, I understand. This is getting to sound like an expensive month for you!

[Jules360]

vulcan1208 said:

I am in the unfortunate position of having to have the engine out of my 2002 manual 3200 for the much discussed crankshaft endfloat issue, does anyone know if it would add much additional cost to change the clutch whilst the engine is out, I had the clutch changed about 18 months/ 20k miles ago at a cost of £2000 but am not sure how much of that was labour.

I don't wish to sound sarcastic, but would it not be simpler to phone the dealer who has your car and ask them that since they have the engine out, how much to fit a clutch? They may even tell you how worn your current one is.

[Pesty]

vulcan1208 said:

Crikey, just saw your running costs for 11 months...and I thought mine at £9k for a year was expensive

So did I .

I was actualy just going to post teh question of how much a 3200 is to run. I guess that answers my question.

Looks damn fine in red though

[vulcan1208]

Jules360 said:

vulcan1208 said:

I am in the unfortunate position of having to have the engine out of my 2002 manual 3200 for the much discussed crankshaft endfloat issue, does anyone know if it would add much additional cost to change the clutch whilst the engine is out, I had the clutch changed about 18 months/ 20k miles ago at a cost of £2000 but am not sure how much of that was labour.

I don't wish to sound sarcastic, but would it not be simpler to phone the dealer who has your car and ask them that since they have the engine out, how much to fit a clutch? They may even tell you how worn your current one is.

Point taken and I will give them a call but it sometimes takes a while to get a response and I was just trying to illicit the opinions of others on here, besides which if they did give me a price I would have no idea if it was reasonable or not.

Edited by vulcan1208 on Tuesday 4th September 23:45

Edited by vulcan1208 on Tuesday 4th September 23:48

[vulcan1208]

Just for information in my case the symptom pointing to the Crankshaft end float problem was low oil pressure ( below 2.5 bar at idle on a hot day and just over 3 bar on a medium day ) and a very intermittent drop in oil pressure at high rpm ( sudden drop down to 2 bar at 4k rpm for 30 seconds or so ), the sensor was changed but it made no difference, depressing the clutch at idle made no difference to the oil pressure reading although this was the first thing the dealer did.. The problem was very intermittent and took a number of days of checks before it was diagnosed

[s3200h]

agree with 3200gt, would have the rear chain done now, the engine does need to come out to be done.

[Nigelo]

No, the engine does NOT need to come out to replace the rear chains although clearly it is much easier to do it that way if the engine is out for other reasons. Rear chains are a 3 handed job with mirrors if done in-situ and MUST be done with Dial gauges NEVER using marks. The service interval for the rear chains is 68K miles.

If the engine is out for other reasons, it is false economy not to renew the clutch - Suggest allowing an extra 1 hour for the work and that's generous but get it agreed BEFORE proceeding. Also suggest instructing the dealer to install the Sachs kit that you will supply - That way you will not get mugged.

hope this helps

Finally if I may ask a question Vulcan - What type engine oil has been used throughout your Ownership and previously if known?

[s3200h]

I stand corrected, would be interested to know if many garages would attempt to change the chains without removing the engine? and if so what would be the difference in cost?

Edited by s3200h on Wednesday 5th September 15:47

[purpleperil]

mr_tony said:

Congrats - looks awesome - and good work getting an AC - was always jealous until I got the tubi on my standard car!

Just got excited seeing the colour and checking the mileage and knowing it was an 02 (not many of those about) - should have looked more closely to see it was an AC...

I'm hoping that one day I'll be able to buy back my old one as I still have a massive soft spot for the 3200 - I'm sure it will end up being an icon

LOL - I've just done the same check - and mine WAS an 2002 AC! Having the same buy back urges as you every now and again!

[stevenM]

well, i personally would not want to try and change the chains with the engine in situ. as with everything with this car, every job seems to be designed around the principle that the engine must be removed!

when the engines out, you might as well do everything.

[vulcan1208]

Nigelo said:

No, the engine does NOT need to come out to replace the rear chains although clearly it is much easier to do it that way if the engine is out for other reasons. Rear chains are a 3 handed job with mirrors if done in-situ and MUST be done with Dial gauges NEVER using marks. The service interval for the rear chains is 68K miles.

If the engine is out for other reasons, it is false economy not to renew the clutch - Suggest allowing an extra 1 hour for the work and that's generous but get it agreed BEFORE proceeding. Also suggest instructing the dealer to install the Sachs kit that you will supply - That way you will not get mugged.

hope this helps

Finally if I may ask a question Vulcan - What type engine oil has been used throughout your Ownership and previously if known?

Selinia racing at all times, always main dealer serviced exactly in line with all required intervals. Just one question... why would chains need renewing, I thought the idea of chains is that they do not perish or stretch ( too much )

[vulcan1208]

Just checked with the dealer and the clutch was done 25k miles ago so they are going to check whats left and more than likely replace it, also they tell me that the chains may as well be replaced while the engines out so it is looking as if it may be quite a big bill.

[3200gt]

3200gt said:

Aren't the chains supposed to be replaced at 64k miles, thats a engine out job also, I understand. This is getting to sound like an expensive month for you!

vulcan1208 said:

Just checked with the dealer and the clutch was done 25k miles ago so they are going to check whats left and more than likely replace it, also they tell me that the chains may as well be replaced while the engines out so it is looking as if it may be quite a big bill.