The McLaren thing just keeps on rolling?

The McLaren thing just keeps on rolling?

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davidd

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Wednesday 5th September 2007
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AndrewW-G

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Wednesday 5th September 2007
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If it's enough for the FIA to cancel the appeal and launch a full hearing it may not be good news for McLaren

davidd

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Wednesday 5th September 2007
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Or maybe it is that they are going to completely clear McLaren..... Then again..

Derek Smith

45,679 posts

249 months

Wednesday 5th September 2007
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What is certain is that it will be completely above board with no tricks or hidden agendas. One can have faith in the veracity of everything that the FIA does.

skeggysteve

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218 months

Wednesday 5th September 2007
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Derek Smith said:
What is certain is that it will be completely above board with no tricks or hidden agendas. One can have faith in the veracity of everything that the FIA does.

And which smiley did you leave of the end of your post?

Martin Keene

9,434 posts

226 months

Wednesday 5th September 2007
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I'm confused. The new evidence came to light a few weeks ago, as did the new date for the 13th September...

Assuming this relates to the spying bo**ocks, of course.

kevin ritson

3,423 posts

228 months

Wednesday 5th September 2007
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Well it's Monza at the weekend, anything to keep the Tifosi yobs from doing something silly I guess...

flemke

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238 months

Wednesday 5th September 2007
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skeggysteve said:
Derek Smith said:
What is certain is that it will be completely above board with no tricks or hidden agendas. One can have faith in the veracity of everything that the FIA does.

And which smiley did you leave of the end of your post?
With true diplomatic self-restraint, Derek seems to have elected to omit this one:

rolleyes

or this:

laugh

or this:

jester

or this:

yuck

but most likely this:

vomit

nowt

877 posts

209 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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It must be worrying times at McLaren. A ban for 2007 and 2008 is not good news at all.

You may find if the ban is brought in, that Prodrive enter F1 with a very good car indeed.

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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nowt said:
It must be worrying times at McLaren. A ban for 2007 and 2008 is not good news at all.

You may find if the ban is brought in, that Prodrive enter F1 with a very good car indeed.
.....with at least one superstar driver too....

coetzeeh

2,648 posts

237 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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rubystone said:
nowt said:
It must be worrying times at McLaren. A ban for 2007 and 2008 is not good news at all.

You may find if the ban is brought in, that Prodrive enter F1 with a very good car indeed.
.....with at least one superstar driver too....
yeah, FA will be with Renault.

cobylu

156 posts

204 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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rubystone said:
nowt said:
It must be worrying times at McLaren. A ban for 2007 and 2008 is not good news at all.

You may find if the ban is brought in, that Prodrive enter F1 with a very good car indeed.
.....with at least one superstar driver too....
mmm vodafone down the side as well with RD on the pitwall?
surely some rule against it though?

Stuismyname

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238 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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nowt said:
It must be worrying times at McLaren. A ban for 2007 and 2008 is not good news at all.

You may find if the ban is brought in, that Prodrive enter F1 with a very good car indeed.
This won't happen; Bernie won't let this get in the way of good business. It may well mean some overly costly penalty levied with dubious justification on McLaren and, it may well serve to assist Ferrari's campaign this year (if the recent past is anything to go by)...but McLaren will still be racing.

Also, and I don't know the details of the concorde agreement, but working on the basis that the teams benefit from a share of the TV revenues + that TV audiences around the world probably mirror the rises that ITV have experienced = presumably the TV rights will be increasing in value (depending on the terms of the various contracts).

In which case it could arguably be to Ferrari's financial detriment to have McLaren excluded from future championships, but I'm just speculating...and prepared to be shot down for it hehe

rubystone

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260 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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Stuismyname said:
In which case it could arguably be to Ferrari's financial detriment to have McLaren excluded from future championships, but I'm just speculating...and prepared to be shot down for it hehe
Certainly will. Under the terms of the Concorde, McLaren, along with the other teams, are required to pay Ferrari hard cash from their own pocket for the privilege of their being part of the grid. Stoddart let this slip some years ago - I can't recall the figure though....

I personally think that Alonso is more likely to move to Toyota or BMW if he moves at all. In fact, I'd wager money that if he wins the driver's championship this year, he will take Toyota's coin on his terms - number 1 driver etc and attempt to immortalise himself as the man who turned Toyota around.

Perhaps the only other scenario is that Alejandro Agag builds a Spanish F1 team around Alonso from the ashes of Aguri, now that Spyker has an Indian investor.

flemke

22,865 posts

238 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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rubystone said:
Stuismyname said:
In which case it could arguably be to Ferrari's financial detriment to have McLaren excluded from future championships, but I'm just speculating...and prepared to be shot down for it hehe
Certainly will. Under the terms of the Concorde, McLaren, along with the other teams, are required to pay Ferrari hard cash from their own pocket for the privilege of their being part of the grid. Stoddart let this slip some years ago - I can't recall the figure though....

I personally think that Alonso is more likely to move to Toyota or BMW if he moves at all. In fact, I'd wager money that if he wins the driver's championship this year, he will take Toyota's coin on his terms - number 1 driver etc and attempt to immortalise himself as the man who turned Toyota around.

Perhaps the only other scenario is that Alejandro Agag builds a Spanish F1 team around Alonso from the ashes of Aguri, now that Spyker has an Indian investor.
Didn't Alonso say in '05 that his goal was to win three WCs?

classiccooper

8,782 posts

211 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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The evidence is the current constructors table, The Maclarens are leading the Ferrari's, what more evidence does the FIA need to dock them points.

D_Mike

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241 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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nice logic.

nescio

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201 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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davidd said:
According to this article, there was a email exchange between de la Rosa and Alonso, in another article (Spiegel Online, german only, babelfish needed) it was mentioned that this email exchange involved confidential Ferrari setup data. Now if that is more than just a censored rumour this could be very bad for McLaren.

edit: link inserted

Edited by nescio on Thursday 6th September 17:42

runway78

434 posts

206 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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nescio said:
davidd said:
According to this article, there was a email exchange between de la Rosa and Alonso, in another article (Spiegel Online, german only) it was mentioned that this email excange involved confidential Ferrari setup data. Now if that is more than just a censored rumour this could be very bad for McLaren.
Yes just read that. McLaren will really be in for it if the "new" evidence proves there was wrong doing.
You do wonder why Toyota didn't have the book thrown at them in such a way when secrets were found to have been stolen from Ferrari?

nescio

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201 months

Thursday 6th September 2007
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runway78 said:
You do wonder why Toyota didn't have the book thrown at them in such a way when secrets were found to have been stolen from Ferrari?
Toyota isn't a front runner... rolleyes