2008 Moto GP tyre rule changes........?

[F.M]

Dorna CEO admits the tyre rules may have to go....let`s hope so...

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/moto/motogp/39796/

Edited by F.M on Wednesday 5th September 22:25

[Biker's Nemesis]

F.M said:

Dorna CEO admits the tyre rules may have to go....let`s hope so...

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/moto/motogp/39796/

Edited by F.M on Wednesday 5th September 22:25

I realy hope so to.

[johnnystorm]

I'd prefer the other manufacturers pulled their fingers out of their arses and rose to the challenge. I'll happily admit that a bit more racing would be appreciated, but I can't help feeling that if rossi was winning every week this discussion might not have been made.

[dern]

The bit that makes no sense to me is asking the riders/teams to predict the conditions in 2 days time in order to choose their tyres. Given that this is impossible to predict the conditions to the accuracy required to choose tyres all this has done is introduce another random element to the race. I prefer to see riders riding to the best of their abilities and am always disappointed when any rider falls back through tyre choice or mechanical failure. I don't want any more random elements in the race, I just want to see them race. Why can't they limit the teams to a range of tyres covering all conditions so each rider will always have something that works and simply stop michelin bringing in tyres at the last minute?

[RemaL]

lets hope next year will be better to watch than this year

[Racefan_uk]

RemaL said:

lets hope next year will be better to watch than this year

If the other manufacturers have found the extra 25hp that the Ducati has, then it will be a lot better.

That bike is so good right now, it's brough Stoner on in leaps and bounds. Not quite sure how much of a lead he'd have right now if Honda and Yamaha had actually pulled their fingers out right at the start of the season though.

I still think if Rossi had been Stoner's team mate he'd have made him a good boy long before now.

[Exige46]

It seems Michelin's perceived problems are due to the way in which Michelin and Bridgestone have historically approached testing and data gathering, which were a function of the rules in place at the time and the location of their factories. I don't think the current rules are unfair, but I didn't think the previous rules were unfair, they are the same for everyone. There certainly wasn't a rule stating that Bridegstone were not allowed an operation in Europe. The rule change favours Bridgestone in the short term, but as with any rule change, it can take a little time for the teams to figure out the best way to approach them, and in time I am sure Michelin will be able to do this. I just hope it is sooner rather than later.

[Rawwr]

Extra 25hp? State your source?

[FourWheelDrift]

Racefan_uk said:

RemaL said:

lets hope next year will be better to watch than this year

If the other manufacturers have found the extra 25hp that the Ducati has, then it will be a lot better.

So they've only given the extra 25hp to Stoner? I'm sure I've seen another red bike out there that is racing on par with the other manufacturers, hasn't won a race this year and usually finishes about 30seconds behind the race winning bike.

[Mark in Ireland]

Its not only the tyres but I hope they get rid of all the electronic controls also. I want to see the riders ability to shine thru, get back to basics IMO.

[Rawwr]

You can't 'get back to basics' in a prototype racing series, it defeats the whole purpose of it!

[macdeb]

Rawwr said:

You can't 'get back to basics' in a prototype racing series, it defeats the whole purpose of it!

So, before too long all the riders will have to do is sit on the bike. Where is the skill in that?

[Rawwr]

No, that's just being silly.

[macdeb]

Yes it would be, and nobody would want to watch.

[Rawwr]

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[Dare2Fail]

I love how everyone these days is blaming electronics for the lack of exciting racing in MotoGp. A few points on this matter:-

1. It is now widely accepted that towards the end of the 500cc two stroke racing all of the top bikes (hell, even the Proton) had traction control. It may have been cruder, but it was still there. In otherwords Rossi has probably had electronics helping him since he moved up to the big class. Guess he must be a crap rider really that needs electronics....

2. A lot of people in racing have admitted that the bikes would be unrideable without electronics. The would wheelie, spin up and be generally impossible to race. Infact, i'd be amazed that with out all the whiz bang wizardry anyone would finish as they would probably all run out of fuel.

3. Bikes are not even close to the point where any rider can sit on and go really fast. Look at Rossi compared to Edwards. Or Stoner compared to Capirossi. Why is one rider ALWAYS faster that the other? Maybe the fast guy has more electronic aids....

[Taz666]

Dare2Fail said:

I love how everyone these days is blaming electronics for the lack of exciting racing in MotoGp. A few points on this matter:-

1. It is now widely accepted that towards the end of the 500cc two stroke racing all of the top bikes (hell, even the Proton) had traction control. It may have been cruder, but it was still there. In otherwords Rossi has probably had electronics helping him since he moved up to the big class. Guess he must be a crap rider really that needs electronics....

2. A lot of people in racing have admitted that the bikes would be unrideable without electronics. The would wheelie, spin up and be generally impossible to race. Infact, i'd be amazed that with out all the whiz bang wizardry anyone would finish as they would probably all run out of fuel.

3. Bikes are not even close to the point where any rider can sit on and go really fast. Look at Rossi compared to Edwards. Or Stoner compared to Capirossi. Why is one rider ALWAYS faster that the other? Maybe the fast guy has more electronic aids....

I sort of agree with the above, appart from point 3, Hayden got Honda to back a lot of the electronics off his bike and he`s now running further up the pack. I now think he`s looking a better rider for it too, he`s doing better than Pedrosa anyway.

[macdeb]

So,,,, put 'em all on same bike? Is that what you say? hell yeh. That would sort 'em out. It's not just my opinion or a few on here but most of the commentators/writers on the sport. It will go the way of F1. People are turning it off.
As for the third point, riders can now come round a corner and hold throttle wide open, one less skill involved. Make everything rideable and most 'joe soaps' could do it. That's the point, the rider has to control it, why have one otherwise?
Just another thought, don't get me wrong here, Stoners got the talent and deserves the title, but how would he fare on say, Rossi's bike? Could you be sure he'd be second in championship?

Edited by macdeb on Thursday 6th September 20:51

[Biker's Nemesis]

It has to be something producing the poor racing, maybe it is the tyres, something is making the Suzuki's look good.

Doohan did make the racing a bit boring years ago, but that was just him, there was plenty of scraping and overtaking from second and below, which is just not happening anymore.

[FourWheelDrift]

macdeb said:

Just another thought, don't get me wrong here, Stoners got the talent and deserves the title, but how would he fare on say, Rossi's bike? Could you be sure he'd be second in championship?

Well he did very well in his first year of MotoGP last year on the private LCR Honda. He fell off a few times but he was still quick, even got a podium (2nd place, being overtaken by Marco Melandri on the very last corner) in only his 3rd ever race and a pole position in his 2nd ever MotoGP race. Other good results when he finished a race his lowest placing was 8th and every other race he finished 6th, 5th or 4th. I think he would give it a good go.