BoLOCs banned from PH 2
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That's just not cricket. Would be suprised if they posted here again, and this forum will be much the worse for that. Slight over-reaction me thinks. And for the record, I actually fully understand why the threads were moderated, PH is a business like any other, and certain posts were too near the mark (none by these guys though....)
FWIW, I'd like to see Janitor, Deepseatiger, Shangani and Gooby reinstated, and I'm glad to see the mods are working to sort things out 
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P.S. there is a reason for not giving it a rest. If you take away the regular contributors and leave PH to lurkers and like me, it'll be a pretty dull place. Well worth us making our views known.
.P.S. there is a reason for not giving it a rest. If you take away the regular contributors and leave PH to lurkers and like me, it'll be a pretty dull place. Well worth us making our views known.
I have been talking to a few of the banned people tonight to talk things through, some are back already, others are being sorted.
Although I run the site I am no techie, and my developer Racing Pete has quite rightly gone home so some things will need to wait until he gets back tomorrow.
Threads were closed to avoid arguments starting as I am trying to calm things down.
Cheers all
G
Although I run the site I am no techie, and my developer Racing Pete has quite rightly gone home so some things will need to wait until he gets back tomorrow.
Threads were closed to avoid arguments starting as I am trying to calm things down.
Cheers all
G
selwonk said:
I'm sure that people appreciate that. There is, however, nothing worse for new members and lurkers then to see in fighting. If the mods are dealing with it, might it not be prudent to hang fire on any more comment for the moment? 
Well worth telling the mods you appreciate what they are doing as well 
To aid this to be resolved and to get our friends reinstated, I have agreed to call it a night and allow things to be sorted tomorrow.
I am trusting Garlic and taking him at his word.
Therefore I am signing off for the night and would ask for no more discussion on this until tomorrow.
Garlic, I hope you will be able to give us some good news in the morning, thanks for your help.
I am trusting Garlic and taking him at his word.
Therefore I am signing off for the night and would ask for no more discussion on this until tomorrow.
Garlic, I hope you will be able to give us some good news in the morning, thanks for your help.
Paul, you really do seem a top fella who has excellent diplomatic skills! Actually excluding people though (and in particlular 4 valued members of this small forum) just smacks of corporate over-reaction, this whole business is getting silly. We all love cars, we all share the same 'bond', so lets get on with being sad car anoraks. By all means give people a slap-on-the-wrist email, but banning?!
ludo said:
selwonk said:
I'm sure that people appreciate that. There is, however, nothing worse for new members and lurkers then to see in fighting. If the mods are dealing with it, might it not be prudent to hang fire on any more comment for the moment?
Well worth telling the mods you appreciate what they are doing as well It's a no brainer.
a) PH has rules, if we all abide by them (that includes mods) and it all works well. People don't, they get clipped, hypocrisy is seen to be OK if you're 'above' the hoi-polloi, but not if you're one of them... that doesn't work. Consistency is king.
b) The original thread was mismanaged and poorly moderated. It was a great example of how well the PH community can work to look out for each other, but also of how quickly (even well meaning) comments can be miscontrued or make it appear like a witch-hunt ready to make two wrongs = a right. A better way of handling it would have been to simply remind people of the rules, and moderate individual posts to remove content deemed to be in breach of the rules.
Final comment - given how "newsworthy" this became so quickly, it probably would have been smart to put up a PH news piece about it, to try and focus on the positives which came out, and to try and rally the wider community to seek out the owner and find out more info (suggesting all real clues be forwarded to the Police... providing links to Crimestoppers etc).
We just all need to be a bit more 'grown-up' about these things, and we'll all get along fine.
a) PH has rules, if we all abide by them (that includes mods) and it all works well. People don't, they get clipped, hypocrisy is seen to be OK if you're 'above' the hoi-polloi, but not if you're one of them... that doesn't work. Consistency is king.
b) The original thread was mismanaged and poorly moderated. It was a great example of how well the PH community can work to look out for each other, but also of how quickly (even well meaning) comments can be miscontrued or make it appear like a witch-hunt ready to make two wrongs = a right. A better way of handling it would have been to simply remind people of the rules, and moderate individual posts to remove content deemed to be in breach of the rules.
Final comment - given how "newsworthy" this became so quickly, it probably would have been smart to put up a PH news piece about it, to try and focus on the positives which came out, and to try and rally the wider community to seek out the owner and find out more info (suggesting all real clues be forwarded to the Police... providing links to Crimestoppers etc).
We just all need to be a bit more 'grown-up' about these things, and we'll all get along fine.
As I said last night, the same comments have been circulating for 4 days now, thats why I stayed at the office until midnight sorting.
I have read all the posts and get the points about what PH 'could' have done. But we didn't. All I can do now is move forward and I am in contact with most of the people who are involved with this case now. PH seeks, nor will take ANY glory/ PR/ exposure as all that would have to come through me, so I will ensure that doesn't happen.
I'm trying to move this on. Today I'll reinstate the deleted thread and have unbanned a few people already. Help me move on guys, I can't change the past.
I have just got back to the office and will start recovering the thread now.
I have read all the posts and get the points about what PH 'could' have done. But we didn't. All I can do now is move forward and I am in contact with most of the people who are involved with this case now. PH seeks, nor will take ANY glory/ PR/ exposure as all that would have to come through me, so I will ensure that doesn't happen.
I'm trying to move this on. Today I'll reinstate the deleted thread and have unbanned a few people already. Help me move on guys, I can't change the past.
I have just got back to the office and will start recovering the thread now.
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