This will make them up the power in the Cayman

[cardigankid]

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evospyshots/209995/ferra...

The above shows the Ferrari Dino spyshots just issued by EVO, apparently to have a 400 bhp V8. It is apparently to be available for 110000 Euros in 09. Surely they will up the power on the Cayman to compete.

Edited by cardigankid on Friday 7th September 11:14

[K Man S]

Sorry, but since when has the Cayman cost anywhere near 110k euros (£74k)? I know the press may be pitching this against the Cayman but it's hardly fair. To go over old ground, the only reason the Cayman S is "underpowered" (for want of a better word) is because of the 911 so perhaps it's the top spec 911s who should be worried. Maybe you're right though; ultimately this may mean the 911 range will have it's performance improved thus opening new doors for the Cayman. Bring it on .

Edited by K Man S on Friday 7th September 11:54

[anonymous-user]

I wouldn't want more power than a Cayman S anyway. Not for road use. It's not like more power is going to make it corner any faster. More likely to slow it down if it adds weight too.

[cardigankid]

I know that the Cayman is more than fast enough from a to b but it would complete its repertoire just to have that physical shove you would get from a few more bhp. The sort of shove you tend to associate with 911's as a matter of fact.

[ChrisW.]

uktrailmonster said:

I wouldn't want more power than a Cayman S anyway. Not for road use. It's not like more power is going to make it corner any faster. More likely to slow it down if it adds weight too.

Sorry, I disagree and maybe that's why you didn't like the 964RS.

A Cayman RS could be ultra fab

[anonymous-user]

ChrisW. said:

Sorry, I disagree and maybe that's why you didn't like the 964RS.

A Cayman RS could be ultra fab

I loved the RS, but it was just silly fast on the road (with only 260 hp). The Cayman S is just fine as it is. They'd be better off making it lighter rather than increasing power. As they did with the 964 RS in fact.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 14th September 14:53

[LewisTintin]

Then i suppose a 997 turbo, or a GT2 is bad car?? Nope...

However, personally I'd far rather see an RS or GT3 varient than a hyper power turbo'd cayman.

[Lagerlout]

It's a 2 seater already, god knows why they don't make an RS version, would be stonking.

[batman69]

yawn, for the same reason they didn't put an LSD in it. highly unlikely to get an RS version. best you could hope for is the sometimes mentioned CS but I don't think the weight reduction would go far enough.

[anonymous-user]

LewisTintin said:

Then i suppose a 997 turbo, or a GT2 is bad car?? Nope...

997 Turbo 1660 kg = truck
GT2 for road use? GTFOOH

Rather drive a 1425 kg Cayman S on the road than either of those fat beasts. But even that's a bit lardy. Take 150 kg off the Cayman, stick an RS badge on it and then we'd be talking proper sports car. Reducing weight gives a much better end result than simply increasing power. That's how Porsche used to make great RS road cars in the past.

[worldwidewebs]

batman69 said:

yawn, for the same reason they didn't put an LSD in it. highly unlikely to get an RS version. best you could hope for is the sometimes mentioned CS but I don't think the weight reduction would go far enough.

Sorry if I've misunderstood your posting, but are you implying that 911s have an LSD and are therefore better than the Cayman?

[Grey Ghost]

I've owned my Cayman for 21 months now and am now vary familiar with how it handles, accelerates, brakes and passes on messages when I'm pushing a bit too far

The car is a superbly balanced machine with a chassis that can easily handle more power....something I'm looking into. I appreciate the comments here about weight reduction but that is something that I believe difficult to achieve to any great impact as an after market option.

I know I can get an LSD fitted by one of the Porsche specialists and that this should make the car easier to control out of corners and when putting the power down in general. I am also going to talk to TechArt at the Frankfurt car show next week as they offer a 385BHP upgrade by increasing the engine to 3800cc capacity and leaving it in N/A mode, Ruf offer a similar power increase but install a supercharger, something I am not very kean on.

Once I know the cost of the TechArt upgrade and if it includes an LSD I'll decide what to do next.

All good fun isn't it

[Bumcrack]

uktrailmonster said:

I wouldn't want more power than a Cayman S anyway. Not for road use. It's not like more power is going to make it corner any faster. More likely to slow it down if it adds weight too.

Aren't you really just saying this because you don't want to admit the Cayman is a bit under powered(certainly in the mid range), who in there right mind wouldn't want more power, if you got more power, then at least you've got a choice to use it or not. Saying a car needs more power is a slight kick in the plums and most owners counter with “I'm not bothered about more power”, when in reality an extra 50BHP would do nicely

Also regarding the price, car makers always tempt you with a lower price in the early press releases. Happened with the Aston V8, started out 65K, and then went to 70 and then 75 and so on. Audi did the same with the R8.

Edited by Bumcrack on Sunday 16th September 11:51

[anonymous-user]

Bumcrack said:

uktrailmonster said:

I wouldn't want more power than a Cayman S anyway. Not for road use. It's not like more power is going to make it corner any faster. More likely to slow it down if it adds weight too.

Aren't you really just saying this because you don't want to admit the Cayman is a bit under powered(certainly in the mid range), who in there right mind wouldn't want more power, if you got more power, then at least you've got a choice to use it or not. Saying a car needs more power is a slight kick in the plums and most owners counter with “I'm not bothered about more power”, when in reality an extra 50BHP would do nicely

Not at all, for ROAD use. More power gives you that satisfying kick up the arse in a straight line. Which you get used to after a couple of days and then you're back to square one. Increased power makes no difference to the handling and cornering grip. Which is why I would always prefer a weight reduction.

Secondly I don't own a Cayman, so I don't really care whether or not people consider it underpowered. I'm sure it could take more, but how fast do you really want to be going on the road? It's more a case of my cock's bigger than yours, which I realise is important for some people.

For track use it's a different story. For the track I would want more power AND less weight.

[Bumcrack]

uktrailmonster said:

Bumcrack said:

uktrailmonster said:

I wouldn't want more power than a Cayman S anyway. Not for road use. It's not like more power is going to make it corner any faster. More likely to slow it down if it adds weight too.

Aren't you really just saying this because you don't want to admit the Cayman is a bit under powered(certainly in the mid range), who in there right mind wouldn't want more power, if you got more power, then at least you've got a choice to use it or not. Saying a car needs more power is a slight kick in the plums and most owners counter with “I'm not bothered about more power”, when in reality an extra 50BHP would do nicely

Not at all, for ROAD use. More power gives you that satisfying kick up the arse in a straight line. Which you get used to after a couple of days and then you're back to square one. Increased power makes no difference to the handling and cornering grip. Which is why I would always prefer a weight reduction.

Secondly I don't own a Cayman, so I don't really care whether or not people consider it underpowered. I'm sure it could take more, but how fast do you really want to be going on the road? It's more a case of my cock's bigger than yours, which I realise is important for some people.

For track use it's a different story. For the track I would want more power AND less weight.

I'm not sure the size of my cock is any of your concern
,but more power is more fun to me and many other people. I prefer feeling the shove of the engine in the 997C 2S over the Cayman’s restricted efforts. Can’t see how anyone else wouldn’t either.

Edited by Bumcrack on Tuesday 18th September 10:33

[batman69]

worldwidewebs said:

batman69 said:

yawn, for the same reason they didn't put an LSD in it. highly unlikely to get an RS version. best you could hope for is the sometimes mentioned CS but I don't think the weight reduction would go far enough.

Sorry if I've misunderstood your posting, but are you implying that 911s have an LSD and are therefore better than the Cayman?

WWW

Not at all (although some do ). The Cayman is a very good car, I almost bought an S myself but decided to spend the money on a MK1 GT3 instead. If the Cayman was supplied with an LSD then on both Road and Track it would probably outperform most standard 911's. As we all know it is the marketing department that like to segment the cars into different areas and are terrified of creating an overlap - how could they produce a cheaper car that outperforms their flagship model!!!!

Most porsche fans would love to see a lightweight RS version of each model - and would be bought by the petrolheads out there - the 968CS is very much a case in point. I think a CS version of the Cayman would be great leave the engine , add LSD, drop 100kgs - would be an awesome car BUT limited volume and that's not what Porsche's game is nowadays. Volume, volume, volume.

[K Man S]

batman69 said:

worldwidewebs said:

batman69 said:

yawn, for the same reason they didn't put an LSD in it. highly unlikely to get an RS version. best you could hope for is the sometimes mentioned CS but I don't think the weight reduction would go far enough.

Sorry if I've misunderstood your posting, but are you implying that 911s have an LSD and are therefore better than the Cayman?

WWW

Not at all (although some do ). The Cayman is a very good car, I almost bought an S myself but decided to spend the money on a MK1 GT3 instead. If the Cayman was supplied with an LSD then on both Road and Track it would probably outperform most standard 911's. As we all know it is the marketing department that like to segment the cars into different areas and are terrified of creating an overlap - how could they produce a cheaper car that outperforms their flagship model!!!!

Most porsche fans would love to see a lightweight RS version of each model - and would be bought by the petrolheads out there - the 968CS is very much a case in point. I think a CS version of the Cayman would be great leave the engine , add LSD, drop 100kgs - would be an awesome car BUT limited volume and that's not what Porsche's game is nowadays. Volume, volume, volume.

Sorry for my ignorance but would a LSD have chance to work without turning the traction control off? My experience with my Z4M was that the intrusive tranction control was always kicking in before the LSD had chance to work it's magic.

Edited by K Man S on Monday 24th September 13:01

[Grant3]

Put the handbags away guys, Cayman & 911 are both great cars, extra controlled grunt welcome on either IMO!

Back on subject a £74k Ferrari..... does sound interesting, with Aston, Maserati & Audi already muscling into what was traditionally 911 territory, Porsche are going to have be on their toes to maintain market share!

[Fidgits]

Grant3 said:

Put the handbags away guys, Cayman & 911 are both great cars, extra controlled grunt welcome on either IMO!

Back on subject a £74k Ferrari..... does sound interesting, with Aston, Maserati & Audi already muscling into what was traditionally 911 territory, Porsche are going to have be on their toes to maintain market share!

But whats the betting by the time the Dino gets to these shores it will be £90k!

[Wanta996(Gotta)]

At least £90K!, list price for the 599 is approx £190k but you cant get one for under £220K - there is still that aura with some Ferrari's that keeps them in this high price bracket - I agree with whovever it was that pointed out how Audi & Maser are moving into the £80-£100k territory and with BMW's rumoured Z10 still to make appeareances it makes it interesting times for Porsche.

Comparing it to a Cayman is maybe a bit of a long-shot, for me, its going head to Head with the 911's if it does ever appear.