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solar

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262 posts

275 months

Friday 13th June 2003
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i was thinking about replacing my 17" wheels o.z. futura on my 95 s4s with 19 in rear 18 in front (HRE? OZ?) has anyone tried this setup?

karmavore

696 posts

279 months

Friday 13th June 2003
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All of these guys can build you custom wheels.


Simmons (www.groupawheels.com/) --- I have these! Very nice!
Compomotive (www.compomotive.com/)
HRE (www.hrewheels.com)
Fikse (http://fikse.com)
Intro Forged (http://iforged.com)
Forgeline (http://forgeline.com)
Kinesis (http://kinesismotorsport.com)

>> Edited by karmavore on Friday 13th June 20:08

chrislotusatl

53 posts

277 months

Friday 13th June 2003
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Hey Solar,
Somebody posted a picture of a really nice black 94 with larger wheels. I don't know who he was but I know he just recently blew his engine if that helps finding the picture.

Chris

madmike

2,372 posts

290 months

Friday 13th June 2003
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chrislotusatl said: Hey Solar,
Somebody posted a picture of a really nice black 94 with larger wheels. I don't know who he was but I know he just recently blew his engine if that helps finding the picture.

Chris



His name's Andy Wheeler, screen name Azzkicker. HRE's he bought off ddidit here.

He posted pics, but they are now gone, and I haven't heard from him in a while.

Edited to add: Found another pic of his car with the rims on another thread:



>> Edited by madmike on Friday 13th June 22:25

solar

Original Poster:

262 posts

275 months

Saturday 14th June 2003
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thanks for the pics . Looks like those hre's fit great. That may be my answer...

azesprit

26 posts

288 months

Saturday 14th June 2003
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i have 18F and 19R Leon Hardiritt Lanze rims on my '99 v8. they are custom made as well. I know the USA distributor if you are interested.

here's a website for pictures:
www.superstar-wheel.com/products/leonhardritt/index.html

anthony

FJ40

95 posts

285 months

Tuesday 17th June 2003
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I can get you Ronal wheels. Check out www.certifiedwheels.com

Dan

karmavore

696 posts

279 months

Tuesday 17th June 2003
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Is its better to upgrade an S4/s with 18/19s or 18/18s?

Luke.

solar

Original Poster:

262 posts

275 months

Tuesday 17th June 2003
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i was thinking about 19x10 in back and 18x8 in front

karmavore

696 posts

279 months

Tuesday 17th June 2003
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But is that for looks or performance?

d didit

59 posts

289 months

Tuesday 17th June 2003
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Hi Solar,

I have the 19x10 and 18x8 combo on my 95S4. For your application, I believe that you should do the 8.5 in the front since the S4S has a revised wheel well to accept larger wheels. Not sure about this so I can't say go order yet. If you would like, I can send you pics of my S4 or just go to webshots and look at the d didit folder.

Cheers,

As far as performance, there has been no negative effect other than the increased lateral compliance due to the lower sidewall. Steering is exactly the same as before so the only drawback is the 3 to 4g's for a set of hre. I sold a set to Andy and he was !!!!!. So from me to you, let me know, I can get you a set at a good price.

Cheers,
Dindo

solar

Original Poster:

262 posts

275 months

Tuesday 17th June 2003
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its because my wheels have flking around the rim bolts and they will need to be replaced anyway so i want to update the look. D didit i couldnt find your pics could you post a link?? I was hoping to ge rims and tires for 3 4k

karlfranz

2,008 posts

294 months

Wednesday 18th June 2003
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I have the 19x10 and 18x8 combo on my 95S4. For your application, I believe that you should do the 8.5 in the front since the S4S has a revised wheel well to accept larger wheels.

Although all non-USA have the enlarged front wheel wells, the USA versions of the Esprit(S4 and S4s) didn't get them until May of 1995. If a USA Esprit was built before that, it has the smaller wheel wells.



As far as performance, there has been no negative effect other than the increased lateral compliance due to the lower sidewall.

Another negative effect of going to a lower sidewall is the greater likelihood of causing damage to the rim flanges when driving over a pothole. On one of our group trips to Atlanta we all drove over the same pothole on the Interstate. Mine was the only car with lower profile wheels. I have 18in front and rear which means my rears have more sidewall. My front left rim got slightly bent, but the rear left sustained no damage.

Cheers,

Karl-Franz :-)
www.espritfactfile.com

MikeyRide

267 posts

289 months

Wednesday 18th June 2003
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karlfranz said:

Although all non-USA have the enlarged front wheel wells, the USA versions of the Esprit(S4 and S4s) didn't get them until May of 1995. If a USA Esprit was built before that, it has the smaller wheel wells.
Not sure this is an issue in practice. I'll know soon enough as I just picked up a set of 02/03 OZ Novas for my fairly early S4s (SN 032, I think).

wcdeane

210 posts

286 months

Wednesday 18th June 2003
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So, obviously if I have a '91 SE then I have the smaller front wheel well.

Without calling it too close, what would be the widest front wheel (17 or 18") for this car, and what would be the proper back spacing?

I guess that I would have the same question for the rear.

Thanks...Walt

karmavore

696 posts

279 months

Wednesday 18th June 2003
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The large wells are not some subtle body mod, they are the tacked on flares you see on all V8s and some S4s.

Luke.

wcdeane

210 posts

286 months

Wednesday 18th June 2003
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Same question...I have no intention of moding the wells.

Thanks...Walt

karlfranz

2,008 posts

294 months

Wednesday 18th June 2003
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The large wells are not some subtle body mod, they are the tacked on flares you see on all V8s and some S4s.

Sorry Luke but you seem to be confusing things.

The Esprit body is made in large part from two molds, upper and lower. The ~2-inch rib that you see around the sides of the car is actually the seam where both moldings are joined. The enlarged wheel housings were a mofication that was done to the lower body molding to accomodate wider wheels. Its purpose was to prevent the front tires from rubbing the rear part of the wheel well.

As the wheel/tire gets wider, the added width must grow inboard and/or outboard of the car. Any increase in width towards the inboard side may cause the inner part of the rim to interfere with the suspension components at full steering lock. If the increased width is toward the outboard side, the outer part of the tire may rub against the aft portion of the wheel well.

Prior to the May 1995 changepoint, only certain Esprits for non-USA markets were built using the larger mold. After the changepoint, all cars were commonized to the same mold.

What you are refering to are the wheel arch extensions which (coincidentally) are also added to the cars with enlarged wheel wells. However, while it is true that all cars with (factory) wheel arches have larger wheel wells, not all cars with enlarged wheel wells have wheel arch extensions. The arches were added because regulations in many countries require that a certain number of degrees of the circumference of the tire do not project beyond the side of the car's body.

Ultimately, whether a wheel/tire will fit in the front of the car depends on the width of the tire, the width of the wheel, and the offset of the wheel. Also note that the section width of a given tire size varies from brand to brand.

Cheers,

Karl-Franz :-)
www.espritfactfile.com

karmavore

696 posts

279 months

Wednesday 18th June 2003
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Karl,

I've been studying your "detailed changes," and I must say that from time to time your writing style can lead to confusion if not read carefully. For example, you just said:

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"Prior to the May 1995 changepoint, only certain Esprits for non-USA markets were built using the larger mold. After the changepoint, all cars were commonized to the same mold." -- Karl
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While true, this statement leads me to believe that USA Esprits have ALWAYS had the revised mold, but prior to 95 only some non-USA cars had this treatment. What I think you mean to convey (based on your site) is:

Some non-USA Esprits prior to '95 had a wider bottom (S4s only, right?) but it was not until '95 that ANY USA Esprit and ALL non-USA Esprits had this body. Correct?

In any case, do you happen to have any pictures of same generation/model Esprits made with differing molds to help illustrate the difference? I'd be very appreciative!

Luke.

solar

Original Poster:

262 posts

275 months

Thursday 19th June 2003
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my s4s number 071 doesnt have the flares. But the current wheel tire combo leaves ALOT of room left in the wheel arches...