What are they teaching Learner drivers???
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Speaking as someone taking lessons I'm quite frankly stunned by what they are teaching people these days. It also explains why there are so many numpties on the road.
For example, gears. Well, back in the day you went 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and so on, pretty simple, it's written on the stick (for the most part) right? No. Apparently, you should go 1st, 2nd, 4th. Because it's better for the environment! Ragging the nuts off a little Fiesta/Micra/Corsa to get it up to speed in 2nd is, apparently, more ecologically friendly than simply using 3rd. Right so, you're going to take a student driver on the A3 with them trying to accelerate up to 'near motorway speed' in f
king SECOND??? IN A 1.0 FIESTA? ARE YOU RETARDED?
Rolling hazard awareness? Nope. Dunno about you but driving along I use the Mk1 eyeball to keep appraised of what's happening around me, that way I can SEE the pedestrians, kids on bikes, cyborg grannies on death buggies and so on (plod & co in a hurry). Apparently I'm supposed to ignore all that st until it becomes my problem, like rolling up to a junction!
Ahh, Junctions and the hatred that is right turns. By logical progression since you're already aware of what's happening around you it won't be much of a shock that you're already in position to make the turn yes? Seems sensible, if you can, line up ready. So, sat at a junction trying to pull out where's the risk? Well, my brain says "look right first", I've probably got it wrong but hey, that's the direction of oncoming traffic so I want to be aware of that direction first; just in case someone who's even more crap at driving than me is going loco towards me. Left. Only looking left matters. If it's clear to the left give it some welly, ignore the speeding white transit that's obviously not going to let you out and is 6 ft away. My instructor looking left THEN leaning out to look right caused me to miss more opportunities to pull out than I care to think about, hey muppet, you're not Mr. Invisible! I can't see st to my left, because your ugly fking mug is in the way! Sat watching other students, seems to be rather prevalent.
The theory test. What is this st? I do not own a copy of the highway code, I haven't READ the highway code in 9 years... it took me 30min to do all of it and walk away with a 90% pass mark. (45 / 50 on QA, 45 / 50 on HAT). And yes, I took the new "super hard" theory test that asked 50 questions.... WOO.
Hazard awareness test. Gee, lets show someone video clips and have them click a mouse button when something that "could cause you to change direction/speed happens" note: a car with it's reverse lights on in your lane isn't a potential hazard... so ignore it... until you hear the crunch noise. But to make it more interesting lets put blinkers on the camera so the student has minimal field of vision, then we'll make the video so blurry that all those subtle details are lost in the pixalated goodness. Ohh and despite wearing headphones the clips are SILENT. I ignored everything and did it properly. See above for the result. And before those of you argue that 45 / 50 on this sucks, I lost five on the one clip done at 'night' well it was black with HUGE pixels wandering around (is that a pushbike? Dunno.. it's a line of pixels) so I guess it was 'night'.
So it's no great wonder, considering this is what's being taught to all and sundry that I had an impromptu emergency stop practise (and stall
) when some dozy bint in a people carrier pulled out having not looked right once! Thank fk I'm old enough to figure this stuff out on my own, because I'd hate to be 17 and being taught to drive in this day and age... I'd be a positive liability on the roads! Rather then just a bit crap and trying to get better.
And don't get me started on responsibilities. Yeah, fine, I cock it up badly and the instructor gets points as well. Fair do's, but I'm at the wheel, I'm in control. I'm the one responsible for the safety of the car, people around and in it. Yelling at me that I'm chicken because I'm not happy with a gap is not sensible; nor is screaming "gas, Gas, GAS!!!" (we're English, it's an accelerator pedal, not a gas pedal) when I've followed your advice and pulled out. You're happy enough to let me be T-bone'd but grow a pair and man up when the risks hurtling to towards you, I expect balls of pure diamond when you've overridden my risk assessment. And as for grabbing the wheel when I'm mid turn because I turned in early due to not scrubbing off enough speed to make you happy (clear in the road & behind, I goofed but was safe), overriding my gear selection without telling me (I WANTED 1ST YOU ASSHOLE NOT 2ND, I'm crawling up a hill towards a slalom of parked cars going 10mph... THAT'S WHY I CHANGED DOWN) so when I tap the brake I get unexpected results... if you can't be trusted not to act like a small child, you can sit in the back!
For example, gears. Well, back in the day you went 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and so on, pretty simple, it's written on the stick (for the most part) right? No. Apparently, you should go 1st, 2nd, 4th. Because it's better for the environment! Ragging the nuts off a little Fiesta/Micra/Corsa to get it up to speed in 2nd is, apparently, more ecologically friendly than simply using 3rd. Right so, you're going to take a student driver on the A3 with them trying to accelerate up to 'near motorway speed' in f
king SECOND??? IN A 1.0 FIESTA? ARE YOU RETARDED? Rolling hazard awareness? Nope. Dunno about you but driving along I use the Mk1 eyeball to keep appraised of what's happening around me, that way I can SEE the pedestrians, kids on bikes, cyborg grannies on death buggies and so on (plod & co in a hurry). Apparently I'm supposed to ignore all that s
t until it becomes my problem, like rolling up to a junction! Ahh, Junctions and the hatred that is right turns. By logical progression since you're already aware of what's happening around you it won't be much of a shock that you're already in position to make the turn yes? Seems sensible, if you can, line up ready. So, sat at a junction trying to pull out where's the risk? Well, my brain says "look right first", I've probably got it wrong but hey, that's the direction of oncoming traffic so I want to be aware of that direction first; just in case someone who's even more crap at driving than me is going loco towards me. Left. Only looking left matters. If it's clear to the left give it some welly, ignore the speeding white transit that's obviously not going to let you out and is 6 ft away. My instructor looking left THEN leaning out to look right caused me to miss more opportunities to pull out than I care to think about, hey muppet, you're not Mr. Invisible! I can't see s
t to my left, because your ugly fking mug is in the way! Sat watching other students, seems to be rather prevalent. The theory test. What is this s
t? I do not own a copy of the highway code, I haven't READ the highway code in 9 years... it took me 30min to do all of it and walk away with a 90% pass mark. (45 / 50 on QA, 45 / 50 on HAT). And yes, I took the new "super hard" theory test that asked 50 questions.... WOO. Hazard awareness test. Gee, lets show someone video clips and have them click a mouse button when something that "could cause you to change direction/speed happens" note: a car with it's reverse lights on in your lane isn't a potential hazard... so ignore it... until you hear the crunch noise. But to make it more interesting lets put blinkers on the camera so the student has minimal field of vision, then we'll make the video so blurry that all those subtle details are lost in the pixalated goodness. Ohh and despite wearing headphones the clips are SILENT. I ignored everything and did it properly. See above for the result. And before those of you argue that 45 / 50 on this sucks, I lost five on the one clip done at 'night' well it was black with HUGE pixels wandering around (is that a pushbike? Dunno.. it's a line of pixels) so I guess it was 'night'.
So it's no great wonder, considering this is what's being taught to all and sundry that I had an impromptu emergency stop practise (and stall
) when some dozy bint in a people carrier pulled out having not looked right once! Thank fk I'm old enough to figure this stuff out on my own, because I'd hate to be 17 and being taught to drive in this day and age... I'd be a positive liability on the roads! Rather then just a bit crap and trying to get better. And don't get me started on responsibilities. Yeah, fine, I cock it up badly and the instructor gets points as well. Fair do's, but I'm at the wheel, I'm in control. I'm the one responsible for the safety of the car, people around and in it. Yelling at me that I'm chicken because I'm not happy with a gap is not sensible; nor is screaming "gas, Gas, GAS!!!" (we're English, it's an accelerator pedal, not a gas pedal) when I've followed your advice and pulled out. You're happy enough to let me be T-bone'd but grow a pair and man up when the risks hurtling to towards you, I expect balls of pure diamond when you've overridden my risk assessment. And as for grabbing the wheel when I'm mid turn because I turned in early due to not scrubbing off enough speed to make you happy (clear in the road & behind, I goofed but was safe), overriding my gear selection without telling me (I WANTED 1ST YOU ASSHOLE NOT 2ND, I'm crawling up a hill towards a slalom of parked cars going 10mph... THAT'S WHY I CHANGED DOWN) so when I tap the brake I get unexpected results... if you can't be trusted not to act like a small child, you can sit in the back!
Edited by TheLearner on Wednesday 12th September 02:23
Get another instructor if that's what your current one is telling you to do with the gears and junctions. Most bad habits come from people's laziness AFTER they've passsed their test. If you're not fit for the roads in theory you won't be passed.
The hazard awareness is an improved addition to the theory test, at least it has some real-world practicality for learning drivers in assessing situations.
The hazard awareness is an improved addition to the theory test, at least it has some real-world practicality for learning drivers in assessing situations.
I could swear that most instructors are teaching L-Platers to hog the middle lanes and NOT to yield to other vehicles. Pretty much EVERY SINGLE TIME I get stuck behind a learner, they do something so unbelievably stupid, dangerous or downright hazardous that you'd expect the instructor to be going absolutely apoplectic with rage at them!
couple of examples:
driving down to a roundabout, splits into 2 lanes - instructor tells student to move over to the right hand lane (I saw him waving his hand beckoning the student to the right), I stay in the left as I'm going straight over - clear the roundabout and casually look to my right to check blind spot, and I'm confronted with L plates bearing down upon me...
one off, says I...
next, right hand lane, turning 3rd exit off a 5 exit roundabout (two left turns are major turn-offs therefore right hand lane to be going to the exit that is NNE of the starting point is correct) - L plate and me matching speed around the roundabout, L plater to the left - bypasses one turn, I think fair do's - he's going off the next one, so I stick a signal on to the left to indicate I'm taking the next turn off, check left hand side and what do you know - I've got a L plater who's bypassed TWO major junctions to go the same exit I am...
was a very near miss - as I started to slow down to slot in behind the L plater, the kid at the wheel also slowed down at the same rate as I did, to take the turn...
I've only been driving for 10 years, it's not changed that much... wtf is going on!?!?!
couple of examples:
driving down to a roundabout, splits into 2 lanes - instructor tells student to move over to the right hand lane (I saw him waving his hand beckoning the student to the right), I stay in the left as I'm going straight over - clear the roundabout and casually look to my right to check blind spot, and I'm confronted with L plates bearing down upon me...
one off, says I...
next, right hand lane, turning 3rd exit off a 5 exit roundabout (two left turns are major turn-offs therefore right hand lane to be going to the exit that is NNE of the starting point is correct) - L plate and me matching speed around the roundabout, L plater to the left - bypasses one turn, I think fair do's - he's going off the next one, so I stick a signal on to the left to indicate I'm taking the next turn off, check left hand side and what do you know - I've got a L plater who's bypassed TWO major junctions to go the same exit I am...
was a very near miss - as I started to slow down to slot in behind the L plater, the kid at the wheel also slowed down at the same rate as I did, to take the turn...
I've only been driving for 10 years, it's not changed that much... wtf is going on!?!?!
g4ry13 said:
The hazard awareness is an improved addition to the theory test, at least it has some real-world practicality for learning drivers in assessing situations.
If the video clips were high res, well encoded and had a drivers field of vision I'd agree. People clicking the mouse to random pixels that could by a cyclist looking over his shoulder... or not... is not testing anyone's ability to assess anything IMHO. Looking at the clips I did some quick working out, they aren't even a fair test because rather than strap the camera to a car and drive, they hooked it up to a wagon; when it pulls up you can quite clearly see it's higher than a transit van.Pigeon said:
And the 1-2-4 thing is boocks. To be "most environmentally friendly" you should keep the engine in its most efficient operating range, which means using ALL the gears and trying to operate it at around the peak of the torque curve.
Exactly. I told him that. Then again I had to explain to him why the throttle would 'click' occasionally. The guy had never heard of an electronic throttle. ocks. To be "most environmentally friendly" you should keep the engine in its most efficient operating range, which means using ALL the gears and trying to operate it at around the peak of the torque curve.Pigeon said:
And the 1-2-4 thing is boocks. To be "most environmentally friendly" you should keep the engine in its most efficient operating range, which means using ALL the gears and trying to operate it at around the peak of the torque curve.
I block change all the time - moreso on downshifts, but I do go 2-4 and 3-5 upwards when the situation arises.ocks. To be "most environmentally friendly" you should keep the engine in its most efficient operating range, which means using ALL the gears and trying to operate it at around the peak of the torque curve.TheLearner said:
For example, gears. Well, back in the day you went 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and so on, pretty simple, it's written on the stick (for the most part) right? No. Apparently, you should go 1st, 2nd, 4th. Because it's better for the environment! Ragging the nuts off a little Fiesta/Micra/Corsa to get it up to speed in 2nd is, apparently, more ecologically friendly than simply using 3rd. Right so, you're going to take a student driver on the A3 with them trying to accelerate up to 'near motorway speed' in fking SECOND??? IN A 1.0 FIESTA? ARE YOU RETARDED?
Given than I can hit 50 in Mrs J's Ka (which, to be fair, is a 1.3 and yes, it screams loudly when I do it) in 2nd, this is perfectly reasonable. Block upshifts I do regularly (although not as frequently as block downshifts). Depending on the car, 2nd might be a more flexible gear for acceleration than 3rd.king SECOND??? IN A 1.0 FIESTA? ARE YOU RETARDED?TheLearner said:
And don't get me started on responsibilities. Yeah, fine, I cock it up badly and the instructor gets points as well. Fair do's, but I'm at the wheel, I'm in control. I'm the one responsible for the safety of the car, people around and in it. Yelling at me that I'm chicken because I'm not happy with a gap is not sensible; nor is screaming "gas, Gas, GAS!!!" (we're English, it's an accelerator pedal, not a gas pedal) when I've followed your advice and pulled out. You're happy enough to let me be T-bone'd but grow a pair and man up when the risks hurtling to towards you, I expect balls of pure diamond when you've overridden my risk assessment. And as for grabbing the wheel when I'm mid turn because I turned in early due to not scrubbing off enough speed to make you happy (clear in the road & behind, I goofed but was safe), overriding my gear selection without telling me (I WANTED 1ST YOU ASSHOLE NOT 2ND, I'm crawling up a hill towards a slalom of parked cars going 10mph... THAT'S WHY I CHANGED DOWN) so when I tap the brake I get unexpected results... if you can't be trusted not to act like a small child, you can sit in the back!
Remember, your objective at this stage is to learn what is required to pass the DSA test, and to stay alive.Learning to drive properly comes later.
Be patient, and do what you are told. You do not know better than your instructor.
At the moment, it seems like your attitude is that your instructor is an idiot and that you know best.
If that's the case, put yourself in for your test and find out.
ETA: The best thing you can do, if this is how your lessons go, is relax and do what you're told. Did I mention doing what you're told? I think you should do what you're told.
Edited by CommanderJameson on Wednesday 12th September 06:31
Frederick said:
I could swear that most instructors are teaching L-Platers to hog the middle lanes and NOT to yield to other vehicles. Pretty much EVERY SINGLE TIME I get stuck behind a learner, they do something so unbelievably stupid, dangerous or downright hazardous that you'd expect the instructor to be going absolutely apoplectic with rage at them!
couple of examples:
driving down to a roundabout, splits into 2 lanes - instructor tells student to move over to the right hand lane (I saw him waving his hand beckoning the student to the right), I stay in the left as I'm going straight over - clear the roundabout and casually look to my right to check blind spot, and I'm confronted with L plates bearing down upon me...
one off, says I...
next, right hand lane, turning 3rd exit off a 5 exit roundabout (two left turns are major turn-offs therefore right hand lane to be going to the exit that is NNE of the starting point is correct) - L plate and me matching speed around the roundabout, L plater to the left - bypasses one turn, I think fair do's - he's going off the next one, so I stick a signal on to the left to indicate I'm taking the next turn off, check left hand side and what do you know - I've got a L plater who's bypassed TWO major junctions to go the same exit I am...
was a very near miss - as I started to slow down to slot in behind the L plater, the kid at the wheel also slowed down at the same rate as I did, to take the turn...
I've only been driving for 10 years, it's not changed that much... wtf is going on!?!?!
OK, one could say that this post is worthless without pics, but I read it as this:couple of examples:
driving down to a roundabout, splits into 2 lanes - instructor tells student to move over to the right hand lane (I saw him waving his hand beckoning the student to the right), I stay in the left as I'm going straight over - clear the roundabout and casually look to my right to check blind spot, and I'm confronted with L plates bearing down upon me...
one off, says I...
next, right hand lane, turning 3rd exit off a 5 exit roundabout (two left turns are major turn-offs therefore right hand lane to be going to the exit that is NNE of the starting point is correct) - L plate and me matching speed around the roundabout, L plater to the left - bypasses one turn, I think fair do's - he's going off the next one, so I stick a signal on to the left to indicate I'm taking the next turn off, check left hand side and what do you know - I've got a L plater who's bypassed TWO major junctions to go the same exit I am...
was a very near miss - as I started to slow down to slot in behind the L plater, the kid at the wheel also slowed down at the same rate as I did, to take the turn...
I've only been driving for 10 years, it's not changed that much... wtf is going on!?!?!
1. You wanted to go straight over at both roundabouts, as did the learner.
2. The learner arguably took the wrong lane at the first (although if there were 2 lanes off as well as on to the roundabout, no problem with using either to go straight on).
3. Realising the screw up, the learner decided to correctly use the left hand lane at the next roundabout to go straight on, but in this case you've decided to use the right hand lane to go straight on (exactly what you were complaining about the learner doing on the previous roundabout) and issues occurred again.
Am I missing something, or was the learner just getting confused trying to react to the behaviour of the other road user around him?
Frederick said:
I could swear that most instructors are teaching L-Platers to hog the middle lanes and NOT to yield to other vehicles. Pretty much EVERY SINGLE TIME I get stuck behind a learner, they do something so unbelievably stupid, dangerous or downright hazardous that you'd expect the instructor to be going absolutely apoplectic with rage at them!
couple of examples:
driving down to a roundabout, splits into 2 lanes - instructor tells student to move over to the right hand lane (I saw him waving his hand beckoning the student to the right), I stay in the left as I'm going straight over - clear the roundabout and casually look to my right to check blind spot, and I'm confronted with L plates bearing down upon me...
one off, says I...
next, right hand lane, turning 3rd exit off a 5 exit roundabout (two left turns are major turn-offs therefore right hand lane to be going to the exit that is NNE of the starting point is correct) - L plate and me matching speed around the roundabout, L plater to the left - bypasses one turn, I think fair do's - he's going off the next one, so I stick a signal on to the left to indicate I'm taking the next turn off, check left hand side and what do you know - I've got a L plater who's bypassed TWO major junctions to go the same exit I am...
was a very near miss - as I started to slow down to slot in behind the L plater, the kid at the wheel also slowed down at the same rate as I did, to take the turn...
I've only been driving for 10 years, it's not changed that much... wtf is going on!?!?!
You were ready for these incidents no doubt, as being a seasoned driver you had observed the big L on the vehicle.couple of examples:
driving down to a roundabout, splits into 2 lanes - instructor tells student to move over to the right hand lane (I saw him waving his hand beckoning the student to the right), I stay in the left as I'm going straight over - clear the roundabout and casually look to my right to check blind spot, and I'm confronted with L plates bearing down upon me...
one off, says I...
next, right hand lane, turning 3rd exit off a 5 exit roundabout (two left turns are major turn-offs therefore right hand lane to be going to the exit that is NNE of the starting point is correct) - L plate and me matching speed around the roundabout, L plater to the left - bypasses one turn, I think fair do's - he's going off the next one, so I stick a signal on to the left to indicate I'm taking the next turn off, check left hand side and what do you know - I've got a L plater who's bypassed TWO major junctions to go the same exit I am...
was a very near miss - as I started to slow down to slot in behind the L plater, the kid at the wheel also slowed down at the same rate as I did, to take the turn...
I've only been driving for 10 years, it's not changed that much... wtf is going on!?!?!
tigger1 said:
Driving a 1.2 Ka I will often do 1-2-3-5 to join a motorway, and 1-2-4/5 into a 40mph limit from stationary, so I don't have a problem with 1-2-4.
Some of the other stuff seems retarded though.
Incidentally - to the OP - why are you "learning" if you did all this 9 years ago?
I can hit 60+ in second - lots of fun doing 1-2-5 to remain legal Some of the other stuff seems retarded though.
Incidentally - to the OP - why are you "learning" if you did all this 9 years ago?
And don't get me started on responsibilities. Yeah, fine, I cock it up badly and the instructor gets points as well. Fair do's, but I'm at the wheel, I'm in control. I'm the one responsible for the safety of the car, people around and in it.
Edited by TheLearner on Wednesday 12th September 02:23
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The instructor is also responsible for keeping the vehicle safe and legal as well. He can also be prosecuted Besides its his wallet that gets hit if the vehicle is damaged.
Regarding the holding the car in second and then block changing, I've used it before in small cars (or cars with a peaky delivery) but it's got everything to do with getting a bit of speed on and sod all to do with the environment.
(Unless you consider that by getting a bit of speed on, I'm not sitting around waiting for traffic so much.)
The rest of it is sounding a bit wonky and you might want to change instructor. It's not going to help learning to drive with someone you can't get on with. When I learnt, my instructor didn't touch the dual controls unless I was actually about to do something dangerous.
(Unless you consider that by getting a bit of speed on, I'm not sitting around waiting for traffic so much.)
The rest of it is sounding a bit wonky and you might want to change instructor. It's not going to help learning to drive with someone you can't get on with. When I learnt, my instructor didn't touch the dual controls unless I was actually about to do something dangerous.
All I ever see learners doing is 3-point turns outside my house when I'm coming home from work.
And to each and every one of the instructors who sit there frantically waving me past - I'm not sitting here with my indicator on for the fg fun of it, I want to get into my driveway which you are selfishly and irresponsibly sitting infront of and perpendicular to. If my waiting here is too much pressure for the poor little learner to deal with, then wait until I start leaning on the horn before nudging your pathetic little stbox out the way!
And to each and every one of the instructors who sit there frantically waving me past - I'm not sitting here with my indicator on for the f
g fun of it, I want to get into my driveway which you are selfishly and irresponsibly sitting infront of and perpendicular to. If my waiting here is too much pressure for the poor little learner to deal with, then wait until I start leaning on the horn before nudging your pathetic little stbox out the way!TheLearner said:
Speaking as someone taking lessons I'm quite frankly stunned by what they are teaching people these days. It also explains why there are so many numpties on the road.
Thank fk I'm old enough to figure this stuff out on my own, because I'd hate to be 17 and being taught to drive in this day and age... I'd be a positive liability on the roads! Rather then just a bit crap and trying to get better.
And don't get me started on responsibilities. Yeah, fine, I cock it up badly and the instructor gets points as well. Fair do's, but I'm at the wheel, I'm in control. I'm the one responsible for the safety of the car, people around and in it. Yelling at me that I'm chicken because I'm not happy with a gap is not sensible; nor is screaming "gas, Gas, GAS!!!" (we're English, it's an accelerator pedal, not a gas pedal) when I've followed your advice and pulled out. You're happy enough to let me be T-bone'd but grow a pair and man up when the risks hurtling to towards you, I expect balls of pure diamond when you've overridden my risk assessment. And as for grabbing the wheel when I'm mid turn because I turned in early due to not scrubbing off enough speed to make you happy (clear in the road & behind, I goofed but was safe), overriding my gear selection without telling me (I WANTED 1ST YOU ASSHOLE NOT 2ND, I'm crawling up a hill towards a slalom of parked cars going 10mph... THAT'S WHY I CHANGED DOWN) so when I tap the brake I get unexpected results... if you can't be trusted not to act like a small child, you can sit in the back!
You say at the top you're speaking as someone taking lessons...Thank f
k I'm old enough to figure this stuff out on my own, because I'd hate to be 17 and being taught to drive in this day and age... I'd be a positive liability on the roads! Rather then just a bit crap and trying to get better. And don't get me started on responsibilities. Yeah, fine, I cock it up badly and the instructor gets points as well. Fair do's, but I'm at the wheel, I'm in control. I'm the one responsible for the safety of the car, people around and in it. Yelling at me that I'm chicken because I'm not happy with a gap is not sensible; nor is screaming "gas, Gas, GAS!!!" (we're English, it's an accelerator pedal, not a gas pedal) when I've followed your advice and pulled out. You're happy enough to let me be T-bone'd but grow a pair and man up when the risks hurtling to towards you, I expect balls of pure diamond when you've overridden my risk assessment. And as for grabbing the wheel when I'm mid turn because I turned in early due to not scrubbing off enough speed to make you happy (clear in the road & behind, I goofed but was safe), overriding my gear selection without telling me (I WANTED 1ST YOU ASSHOLE NOT 2ND, I'm crawling up a hill towards a slalom of parked cars going 10mph... THAT'S WHY I CHANGED DOWN) so when I tap the brake I get unexpected results... if you can't be trusted not to act like a small child, you can sit in the back!
Edited by TheLearner on Wednesday 12th September 02:23
3 paragraphs later you say you'd hate to be 17 and being taught to drive in this day and age. Sounds like bulls..t to me?
allaway said:
You say at the top you're speaking as someone taking lessons...
3 paragraphs later you say you'd hate to be 17 and being taught to drive in this day and age. Sounds like bulls..t to me?
I'm afraid you're troll alarm is going off early. I'm not 17, I'm 30 and being 30 I could get insurance on a Chim for £1,800 right now. I did however do a bike course 8, maybe 9 years ago hence the highway code, road sense and the ability to figure out how to do it properly. 3 paragraphs later you say you'd hate to be 17 and being taught to drive in this day and age. Sounds like bulls..t to me?
And I'd hate to be 17 having no experience on the road and being taught from scratch these days.
My OH is a driving instructor and he loves pupils like you that know how to drive and pass a test better than he does 
They are nearly as good as the repeated test failers who always fail because of something someone else does and are unable to see that it was usually their reaction or lack of reaction to what others have done that has caused the failure...
They are nearly as good as the repeated test failers who always fail because of something someone else does and are unable to see that it was usually their reaction or lack of reaction to what others have done that has caused the failure...
TheLearner said:
allaway said:
You say at the top you're speaking as someone taking lessons...
3 paragraphs later you say you'd hate to be 17 and being taught to drive in this day and age. Sounds like bulls..t to me?
I'm afraid you're troll alarm is going off early. I'm not 17, I'm 30 and being 30 I could get insurance on a Chim for £1,800 right now. I did however do a bike course 8, maybe 9 years ago hence the highway code, road sense and the ability to figure out how to do it properly. 3 paragraphs later you say you'd hate to be 17 and being taught to drive in this day and age. Sounds like bulls..t to me?
And I'd hate to be 17 having no experience on the road and being taught from scratch these days.
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