Discussion
Morning all,
Just been browsing the various 930's for sale in the UK at the moment and can't help thinking why are they so cheap? There are quite a few cars at the same price or less than 3.2's/SC's.
Is the 3.2 a better car or is it the potential running costs of the Turbo keeping the prices down?
I have seen a lovely looking LHD 930 in Japan that I'd like to buy but can't make the purchase make sense because they don't seem to be worth a lot over here and they are still relatively expensive in Japan.
Cheers,
Bryn.
Just been browsing the various 930's for sale in the UK at the moment and can't help thinking why are they so cheap? There are quite a few cars at the same price or less than 3.2's/SC's.
Is the 3.2 a better car or is it the potential running costs of the Turbo keeping the prices down?
I have seen a lovely looking LHD 930 in Japan that I'd like to buy but can't make the purchase make sense because they don't seem to be worth a lot over here and they are still relatively expensive in Japan.
Cheers,
Bryn.
Short and simple VERY FEW good ones left , maintenance and parts can be tiresome , had one for 10 years, early 3 0 litre ........wonderful untill u go to Mr P for a part and its double what ur expecting ..every time .
Still have a turbo , these were greatcars be patient find a good one and u ll learn to love it .
Still have a turbo , these were greatcars be patient find a good one and u ll learn to love it .
I think some are cheaper than others but it is actually quite difficult to see what a car is worth, due to cost of repair and servicing.
For instance you can buy one for a bargain and then spend £750+ labor on a new clutch and flywheel, another 2-3k on sorting the synchros, another £1-2k on a decent specialist service, the fuel system has also better work or you may just need a new £2.5k metering head or just a £500 warm-up reg, another £300 for a new accumulator, £500 to sort the suspension and maybe a new exhaust for £200+, then there are the multitude of other items from expensive new windscreens to sets of tyres.
Suddenly the £19k one that looks pricey is actually a bargain compared to the £13k one needing work that climbs above £5k very quickly.
I'm currently selling mine http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/231545.htm and have not had many calls, and only one person has actually seen it at 20k so I've dropped the price down again to get some interest, as I think people assume a lower price means that they will somehow save money over a sorted one that costs more.
I paid about £19.5k 5 years ago for a very good one with regular but low mileage but have still managed to drop, mmm, must be over £10k into keeping it working at the top of its game, which means it really cost £29.5k. And that's maintaining a good one!
The turbo is unparalleled fun and actual fuel use is fairly good but the 3.2 is generally cheaper to run (Look at the comparism of fixed menu prices at JZM) and therefore (like modern small cars) holds a value from that.
For instance you can buy one for a bargain and then spend £750+ labor on a new clutch and flywheel, another 2-3k on sorting the synchros, another £1-2k on a decent specialist service, the fuel system has also better work or you may just need a new £2.5k metering head or just a £500 warm-up reg, another £300 for a new accumulator, £500 to sort the suspension and maybe a new exhaust for £200+, then there are the multitude of other items from expensive new windscreens to sets of tyres.
Suddenly the £19k one that looks pricey is actually a bargain compared to the £13k one needing work that climbs above £5k very quickly.
I'm currently selling mine http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/231545.htm and have not had many calls, and only one person has actually seen it at 20k so I've dropped the price down again to get some interest, as I think people assume a lower price means that they will somehow save money over a sorted one that costs more.
I paid about £19.5k 5 years ago for a very good one with regular but low mileage but have still managed to drop, mmm, must be over £10k into keeping it working at the top of its game, which means it really cost £29.5k. And that's maintaining a good one!
The turbo is unparalleled fun and actual fuel use is fairly good but the 3.2 is generally cheaper to run (Look at the comparism of fixed menu prices at JZM) and therefore (like modern small cars) holds a value from that.
Globulator says it all there ,mine made 213 000 miles befor it let go...............buy the best u can find with some fair recent history , then perhaps find an Indie who s up to pace ..........brakes were slagged off in their day , all they needed was regular use and proper servicing, they re very closely related to 917 s they were happy enough! I reckon Fltnose s creeping up somewhat undervalued , but then i dont think many other people like them ............
uktrailmonster said:
Many people, including myself, prefer the response from the lighter n/a cars. Turbos are fun in a straight line when the boost kicks in, but a 3.2 Carerra is a much better driver's car through the bends. They're quite different characters.
the response from atmo cars is certainly preferrable in traffic, as are the 5 gears, but much better driver's car through bends!? Everyone would want a 924/944/968 if that were the case. My 3.2 had excellent re-valved Bilsteins, but on a twisty track, my 924s would murder it, despite about 70 bhp less.Edited by Tam Lin on Thursday 13th September 14:03
Tam Lin said:
the response from atmo cars is certainly preferrable in traffic, as are the 5 gears, but much better driver's car through bends!? Everyone would want a 924/944/968 if that were the case. My 3.2 had excellent re-valved Bilsteins, but on a twisty track, my 924s would murder it, despite about 70 bhp less.
All relative really. Your 3.2 would thrash a turbo around a twisty track too. Good though 924/944/968s are, they're just not as desirable on the road. Best thing about classic 911s is their traction out of slow corners, roundabouts etc. The front engined cars just don't have the same feel, although they may be better balanced on track. Hello it took me four years to find a good one I looked at 12 prices are going up that is for sure plus I wanted a black one as well.I do not run my one as a daily drive that is for sure to expensive .
So its for weekends and car shows that way I keep the running cost down etc. Every mile is a smile in my 930 and I still have my dream car.
SEE YA
So its for weekends and car shows that way I keep the running cost down etc. Every mile is a smile in my 930 and I still have my dream car.
SEE YA
Edited by SEE YA on Thursday 13th September 16:48
SEE YA said:
Hello it took me four years to find a good one I looked at 12 prices are going up that is for sure plus I wanted a black one as well.I do not run my one as a daily drive that is for sure to expensive .
So its for weekends and car shows that way I keep the running cost down etc. Every mile is a smile in my 930 and I still have my dream car.
SEE YA
I have to agree that they are still hugely desirable today even if it is for the whole experience rather than outright A to B pace. They still seem too cheap for what must be one of the most iconic Porsches though. I have a real soft spot for them and will get one sooner or later!So its for weekends and car shows that way I keep the running cost down etc. Every mile is a smile in my 930 and I still have my dream car.
SEE YA
Edited by SEE YA on Thursday 13th September 16:48
Golbulator - I had a look at your ad last night and the car looks lovely. I guess the right buyer will be along in due course.
Assuming that a car had been inspected by a specialist and given a clean bill of health with no work required (a lot to ask of a minimum 18 year old car I know!), would it be unwise to buy one with no history? If yes can you please explain why as I know people get hung up about bits of paper from the past with no real good reasons ;-)
Cheers,
Bryn.
Edited by bryn_p on Thursday 13th September 18:17
Hello buy on condition not miles must have FSH it shows the car has been looked after as well that blue one looks a good deal to me .
I paid more than that in May this year for my one you will find a good one for under £20k easy if you look .Price wise look for between £15k-£20k .Some people say the four speed better suits the 930 than a g50 box end of day your call.
Also colour plays a part as well in your search .People try to ask silly money for Porsche's all because of the badge on the front of the car.
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I paid more than that in May this year for my one you will find a good one for under £20k easy if you look .Price wise look for between £15k-£20k .Some people say the four speed better suits the 930 than a g50 box end of day your call.
Also colour plays a part as well in your search .People try to ask silly money for Porsche's all because of the badge on the front of the car.
SEE YA
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