Standard Purple Induction Pipes
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thegreengoblet said:
I've finally decided not to go for a short induction system as I want to keep her standard. However over the years, the purple induction pipes have aged and discoloured as well as many garages taking to writing on them in white tipex! Where can I get new replacements from?
TVR Power.... approx £500 fitted.RUSSELLM said:
thegreengoblet said:
I've finally decided not to go for a short induction system as I want to keep her standard. However over the years, the purple induction pipes have aged and discoloured as well as many garages taking to writing on them in white tipex! Where can I get new replacements from?
TVR Power.... approx £500 fitted.
Anybody had a go at cleaning them up?
thegreengoblet said:
RUSSELLM said:
thegreengoblet said:
I've finally decided not to go for a short induction system as I want to keep her standard. However over the years, the purple induction pipes have aged and discoloured as well as many garages taking to writing on them in white tipex! Where can I get new replacements from?
TVR Power.... approx £500 fitted.Anybody had a go at cleaning them up?
The other problem is when the metal reinforcement inside the hose starts to disintegrate and poke through the inside and outside of the hose.
There is no flouro lining inside these hoses either which is another reason why they discolour so quickly. They are fairly easy to fit so I wouldn't bother paying for that if I was you, therefore you just have to pay the cost of the hoses which is about £360 + vat. However, 6-12 months later they'll be discoloured again.........
JULES.
thegreengoblet said:
I've finally decided not to go for a short induction system as I want to keep her standard. However over the years, the purple induction pipes have aged and discoloured as well as many garages taking to writing on them in white tipex! Where can I get new replacements from?
You can get them for around £60 each excluding all the clips - and no you can't clean up the old ones as the colour heats/burns off/away, although you can clean them to get rid of all the oil and crud, you'll be left with clean brown pipes with purple on the ends.MB
BCA said:
I dont understand the whole standard thing - to me the Cerb is a flawed but brilliant car that can be made to be just brilliant with a few choice upgrades. 
Each to there own though...
It's the flaws that give the car character - like being particularly rough under 3k revs. I've been talking to a few Indies and weighing up the costs vs benefits. For a short induction to be worth while, you really need a remap, and if you're having a remap, then really the Cats should go, and if you have sports silencers, then it'll be too loud and you need a standard back box, etc, etc. Costs - fitted by a garage with the Vat - is going to be in excess of £2k. That's a lot of money for an extra (if any - read the small print associated with these kits) few bhp. Other than suspension, my Cerbs standard and she runs well and pulls hard with 40k+ miles on the clock. I've been told that simply replacing the ECU chip with a RR hybrid will give most of the benefits of a bespoke remap. Cost, £250. I have been tempted with the short induction kit, but I have now decided against it. Instead I will investing in some Ohlins as my AVOs are shot! Each to there own though...As you say, each to their own
Looks intestinal ! Is that the 4.5. What does it do ? I've only a lowly 4.2 but it had mods on it Green filters etc and they were rubbish. Air filter had been removed. Ran very rough.All back to standard induction pipes and filter and runs 10 ten times better, suberb. Still a bit jumpy in 1 and 2 but maybe that because it's had a remamp at Austec. In my experience it's a good choice to keep as standard
Edited by Mr M on Thursday 13th September 23:42
Edited by Mr M on Thursday 13th September 23:44
thegreengoblet said:
For a short induction to be worth while, you really need a remap, and if you're having a remap, then really the Cats should go,
You can ditch the cats and replace the whole exhaust system and so on, but I don't see why you have to just because you're changing the induction?Green, you may have noticed even since our cars recent rolling road visit/Trackcar custom map and whirlwind induciton, that I havent mentioned any bhp/torque figures... Our car is nothing special in terms of peak power - the figures dont even start to tell the full story. Its how much more driveable it is, massively smother yet more explosive - and the throttle response is just incredible now. Even with cats and a sports exhaust... If it were me, I'd reconsider that decision, look at some lower budget dampers and go for both!!
But yes, each to thier own.
Mr M - thats the Cerbera 4.5s induction, flawed as standard - but they do have a certain visual appeal, the 4.2's arrangement is much more sensible, if a little limited for big power as standard.
But yes, each to thier own.
Mr M - thats the Cerbera 4.5s induction, flawed as standard - but they do have a certain visual appeal, the 4.2's arrangement is much more sensible, if a little limited for big power as standard.
BCA said:
Green, you may have noticed even since our cars recent rolling road visit/Trackcar custom map and whirlwind induciton, that I havent mentioned any bhp/torque figures... Our car is nothing special in terms of peak power - the figures dont even start to tell the full story. Its how much more driveable it is, massively smother yet more explosive - and the throttle response is just incredible now.
Sounds superb! Now, about those handicap figures ... 
GreenV8S said:
BCA said:
Green, you may have noticed even since our cars recent rolling road visit/Trackcar custom map and whirlwind induciton, that I havent mentioned any bhp/torque figures... Our car is nothing special in terms of peak power - the figures dont even start to tell the full story. Its how much more driveable it is, massively smother yet more explosive - and the throttle response is just incredible now.
Sounds superb! Now, about those handicap figures ... 
Its almost like its been deliberately improved in such a manner! Also, as you know - after a certain point, more power just becomes a hinderance - we should handicap those pesky vixens more!! I'm having mine reconstructed following its engine bay fire, so will no doubt get nice new pipes. I will probably remove and store them while they're still purple, and fit some short ones (or even 4.2 induction as seems to have its own benefits).
Re the 'keep it standard' argument, I can see the attraction of both arguments. On the one hand, with the cerb no longer in production and fast becoming a classic, a standard car will soon be commanding a premium. On the other, it is tempting to make some choice upgrades which can only improve the car. I think the compromise is to hedge - ie upgrade at will but keep all standard parts for possible future refit
Re the 'keep it standard' argument, I can see the attraction of both arguments. On the one hand, with the cerb no longer in production and fast becoming a classic, a standard car will soon be commanding a premium. On the other, it is tempting to make some choice upgrades which can only improve the car. I think the compromise is to hedge - ie upgrade at will but keep all standard parts for possible future refit
thegreengoblet said:
BCA said:
I dont understand the whole standard thing - to me the Cerb is a flawed but brilliant car that can be made to be just brilliant with a few choice upgrades. Each to there own though...
It's the flaws that give the car character - like being particularly rough under 3k revs. I've been talking to a few Indies and weighing up the costs vs benefits. For a short induction to be worth while, you really need a remap, and if you're having a remap, then really the Cats should go, and if you have sports silencers, then it'll be too loud and you need a standard back box, etc, etc. Costs - fitted by a garage with the Vat - is going to be in excess of £2k. That's a lot of money for an extra (if any - read the small print associated with these kits) few bhp. Other than suspension, my Cerbs standard and she runs well and pulls hard with 40k+ miles on the clock. I've been told that simply replacing the ECU chip with a RR hybrid will give most of the benefits of a bespoke remap. Cost, £250. I have been tempted with the short induction kit, but I have now decided against it. Instead I will investing in some Ohlins as my AVOs are shot! Each to there own though...As you say, each to their own
Replacing the ECU chip for the RR type will smooth out some of the jerkiness below 3000rpm, but it does not add any additional power.......and they used to cost about £80, so £250
Jules.
Cyclone1 said:
thegreengoblet said:
BCA said:
I dont understand the whole standard thing - to me the Cerb is a flawed but brilliant car that can be made to be just brilliant with a few choice upgrades. Each to there own though...
It's the flaws that give the car character - like being particularly rough under 3k revs. I've been talking to a few Indies and weighing up the costs vs benefits. For a short induction to be worth while, you really need a remap, and if you're having a remap, then really the Cats should go, and if you have sports silencers, then it'll be too loud and you need a standard back box, etc, etc. Costs - fitted by a garage with the Vat - is going to be in excess of £2k. That's a lot of money for an extra (if any - read the small print associated with these kits) few bhp. Other than suspension, my Cerbs standard and she runs well and pulls hard with 40k+ miles on the clock. I've been told that simply replacing the ECU chip with a RR hybrid will give most of the benefits of a bespoke remap. Cost, £250. I have been tempted with the short induction kit, but I have now decided against it. Instead I will investing in some Ohlins as my AVOs are shot! Each to there own though...As you say, each to their own
Replacing the ECU chip for the RR type will smooth out some of the jerkiness below 3000rpm, but it does not add any additional power.......and they used to cost about £80, so £250
Jules.
I know that you know your beans when it comes to Mods etc, but you must get some preferential rates!
Austec quoted me £1850 for a short Induction kit and bespoke remap forgetting any exhaust changes.
(GreenV8S - getting rid of the Cats in order to free up more power is a worthwhile exercise if you are going to the expense of a bespoke remap in the first place. Not only that, my Cats are knocking and will eventually destroy themselves, so I want to preserve them while I can)
I see similar figures on TrackCars and ACTs website.
The figures I quote are for a garage to undertake the work - I have 3 kids under the age of 4 so I don't get any time to do things myself.
BTW Jules, if you want to do it for me for that price, then I'd happily reconsider
thegreengoblet said:
BCA said:
I dont understand the whole standard thing - to me the Cerb is a flawed but brilliant car that can be made to be just brilliant with a few choice upgrades. Each to there own though...
It's the flaws that give the car character - like being particularly rough under 3k revs. I've been talking to a few Indies and weighing up the costs vs benefits. For a short induction to be worth while, you really need a remap, and if you're having a remap, then really the Cats should go, and if you have sports silencers, then it'll be too loud and you need a standard back box, etc, etc. Costs - fitted by a garage with the Vat - is going to be in excess of £2k. That's a lot of money for an extra (if any - read the small print associated with these kits) few bhp. Other than suspension, my Cerbs standard and she runs well and pulls hard with 40k+ miles on the clock. I've been told that simply replacing the ECU chip with a RR hybrid will give most of the benefits of a bespoke remap. Cost, £250. I have been tempted with the short induction kit, but I have now decided against it. Instead I will investing in some Ohlins as my AVOs are shot! Each to there own though...As you say, each to their own
You can do any of the above in isolation if you want. a short induction works best with a remap but you absolutely do NOT have to do the cats and exhaust system. many people do, but you don't have to.
The RR chip will LOSE you power if you fit it inot a std 4.5 (which i assume you have?), this is because the red rose engines have higher compression ratio and actually have LESS igntion advance under load than the std cars! .. if you have a std 4.5 then the last thing you need is less ignition advance. You will easily lose 20hp fiting a R chip into a std 4.5
edited to add : the prices for my induction and remap arent the same as austec/act .. mine is almost exactly half their price.
Sounds like you've been given duff information.
Edited by trackcar on Friday 14th September 08:49
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