What should I do?
Discussion
Ok Lads, I would like your opinions, thoughts, past experiences and advice on this one. Please.
I’m in a bit of a dilemma, its becoming extremely likely that my car a 2002/02 996 TT X50 is going to become an ongoing upgrade project and also bank balance crusher. The list is never going to end. Its just one thing after another and with me it’ll never stop.
So far I have fitted/will be fitting a Designtek Sports Exhaust (fitted) and there are Sports headers, up rated Diverter Valves, Samco Turbo Hoses and also an ECU Re-map in the pipeline. (The headers, DV valves, hoses and Re-map are all to be carried out in October - Confirmed). Now its getting to the stage where I’m already looking to up rate my turbo`s to probably Hybrid’s. Having already seen a set of Techart Alloys which I am likely to purchase when I get home, then throw into the mix, up rating the braking system. All of which if I’ve thought about and looked at, knowing me I’ll end up buying…Which is not good!
Are all these mod`s worth it in the long run? Or should I just go into a 996 GT2 now and stick with the “daddy”. Have contemplated this path for a few weeks now, even thought the other month about a Lambo Gallardo (but then it was just the `fanny factor` and not the actual engineering master piece that Stuttgart’s finest really is in either GT2 or TT/X50 form or even the GT RS). By the way I am writing this in a way of thinking out loud I suppose, I may seem totally off my head to some people, but your thoughts and advice are well appreciated in advance.
Want to say that I truly appreciate and enjoy the car I currently have to bits. Every time I drive it, I get shivers down my spine, a big grin on my face and above all thank the lucky stars I actually get to own one of these true works of art. These particular motors in question are super cars, not ford fiesta’s and every one that drives one should be more than grateful that we have the opportunity and chance to own one of them IMHO. I don’t care what other people think on the matter. The right pedal poised beneath your right foot has `extreme power`, hours of uninterrupted fun, a driving experience that doesn’t get any better and I think IMO that Porsche beat any one on that front, in any format or model.
So what do I do? ………Start to look for a 996 GT2? Try and find a car that doesn’t need much in the way of up grades and thank the pervious owner for the pleasure of spending his cash on it and not mine?
And please be realistic, I am by no means flush with cash, more like treading water and by no means have an endless amount of wonga to throw away on Porkers.
Thanks again guys
Stevie F - 30121980
I’m in a bit of a dilemma, its becoming extremely likely that my car a 2002/02 996 TT X50 is going to become an ongoing upgrade project and also bank balance crusher. The list is never going to end. Its just one thing after another and with me it’ll never stop.
So far I have fitted/will be fitting a Designtek Sports Exhaust (fitted) and there are Sports headers, up rated Diverter Valves, Samco Turbo Hoses and also an ECU Re-map in the pipeline. (The headers, DV valves, hoses and Re-map are all to be carried out in October - Confirmed). Now its getting to the stage where I’m already looking to up rate my turbo`s to probably Hybrid’s. Having already seen a set of Techart Alloys which I am likely to purchase when I get home, then throw into the mix, up rating the braking system. All of which if I’ve thought about and looked at, knowing me I’ll end up buying…Which is not good!
Are all these mod`s worth it in the long run? Or should I just go into a 996 GT2 now and stick with the “daddy”. Have contemplated this path for a few weeks now, even thought the other month about a Lambo Gallardo (but then it was just the `fanny factor` and not the actual engineering master piece that Stuttgart’s finest really is in either GT2 or TT/X50 form or even the GT RS). By the way I am writing this in a way of thinking out loud I suppose, I may seem totally off my head to some people, but your thoughts and advice are well appreciated in advance.
Want to say that I truly appreciate and enjoy the car I currently have to bits. Every time I drive it, I get shivers down my spine, a big grin on my face and above all thank the lucky stars I actually get to own one of these true works of art. These particular motors in question are super cars, not ford fiesta’s and every one that drives one should be more than grateful that we have the opportunity and chance to own one of them IMHO. I don’t care what other people think on the matter. The right pedal poised beneath your right foot has `extreme power`, hours of uninterrupted fun, a driving experience that doesn’t get any better and I think IMO that Porsche beat any one on that front, in any format or model.
So what do I do? ………Start to look for a 996 GT2? Try and find a car that doesn’t need much in the way of up grades and thank the pervious owner for the pleasure of spending his cash on it and not mine?
And please be realistic, I am by no means flush with cash, more like treading water and by no means have an endless amount of wonga to throw away on Porkers.
Thanks again guys
Stevie F - 30121980
Stevie my good man, having had a few fast cars of several breeds, including two very well sorted 996TT's, I can honestly say that the GT2 I have now is without question my favourite. I love it, I even love the little rattles from the rollbar. What ever money you plough into your 996 (and very nice it is too)to increase its desireability you would be better selling it and using the money to finance a 'good' GT2........IMHO that is.
PHOENIXUK said:
Stevie my good man, having had a few fast cars of several breeds, including two very well sorted 996TT's, I can honestly say that the GT2 I have now is without question my favourite. I love it, I even love the little rattles from the rollbar. What ever money you plough into your 996 (and very nice it is too)to increase its desireability you would be better selling it and using the money to finance a 'good' GT2........IMHO that is.
Wise words fella. 
Whether you decide to keep the X50 over the winter months or decide to trade-up now, there is no comparison between the two cars IMO.
They're designed to do very different things, the TT is probably one of the best point to point cars there is, having 4WD and PSM makes them the everyday supercar whereas the GT2 is much more knife-edged... very driver focussed and hard ridden in comparison and much better suited to fast road use and track (in the dry of course)
, not forgetting the lighter weight and increased power.As Nike says: *** Just do it *** GT2 all the way.
C.
Have you considered a conversation with Mr Wishbone about one of his splendid GT2 Evo's.
I've been on a number of trackdays where these cars have been on track.
Fast doesn't really sum them up.
Or for the sort of money your spending on the car's + mods, you could look at hunting down a RUF. Check out there web site. They've just sold a stunning R Turbo a few weeks back and currently have in a 997 R Kompressor.
I've been on a number of trackdays where these cars have been on track.
Fast doesn't really sum them up.
Or for the sort of money your spending on the car's + mods, you could look at hunting down a RUF. Check out there web site. They've just sold a stunning R Turbo a few weeks back and currently have in a 997 R Kompressor.
Won't you just start modifying the GT2 or is that sacrilege.
Hope this link works for you.
http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/de/clients.show_ca...
Hope this link works for you.
http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/de/clients.show_ca...
I'd only get a GT2 if you're not going to mod. Its hard enough selling a modded TT let alone putting the infamous 'window-maker' on crack 
.. With the mods you've got above you'll be cracking on into the mid 500's, believe me, you WILL notice the difference, I went from 420 > 480/90ish and its so much better.. If you went hybrids with maybe bigger IC's you could easily start looking at 600's and I reckon all this can be done for <£10k, which is a bargain per bhp
.. With the mods you've got above you'll be cracking on into the mid 500's, believe me, you WILL notice the difference, I went from 420 > 480/90ish and its so much better.. If you went hybrids with maybe bigger IC's you could easily start looking at 600's and I reckon all this can be done for <£10k, which is a bargain per bhp 
Ok lads here we go,
Thought about it long and hard again today and yesterday, spoke to a few mates I would call “clued up and also honest”. Still undecided? To quote “I will not be involving the other half in any of this, if I do change the car, it will be a case of, drive away the 996TT X50 one day and come back with a 996 GT2 later that day or the next”, I’ll take the flack later after I’ve enjoyed the new car for a while! – If she ever found out how much us guys spend on these motors, she’d bow her top. I think some things are best left, let’s just say “In the Garage”.
What I have thought about so far is:-
1) If I bought a 996 GT2, would I just do the same and start to scatter the cash on it and up grade bits and bobs?
2)Or do I wait for one to come up that’s had things like, Sports exhaust fitted, Sports headers up rated, brakes modded and also re-mapped. Which would save me spending my money doing it?
3) Its not a case of refinancing to get into a 996 GT2 as I have plenty of capital in the X50. I believe I also bought the car I’m in now at the right price and got a great finance deal and therefore won’t be set to loose a fortune like I have in previous car changes (The 997 C2S experience was a life changing event, opened my eyes to the seedy world of car dealer and traders –Only 1 in particular I may add).
4) I always get the urge to change my car a minimum of every year…Is this good or bad? But if I decide to keep the X50, I suppose after the money I have/and are about to spend on it I could keep it for a while and enjoy the best out of it.
5) Is it worthwhile to wait for current 996 GT2 owners that have ordered 997 GT2`s to trade in or put there’s up for sale and pick up a Belter? i.e.:- One in Guards Red or Carrera White if there is any out there. I did view a Guards Red 996 GT2 and also a 996TT at Hagley Car’s at the same time about a year ago, they both looked amazing. But at the time I was less financially “Ready” and didn’t have enough equity in my 997 C2S to trade or get a deal in motion. And on top of that the trade bid on my car was embarrassing to say the least, as it always is.
6) AM I MAD??????, to already be contemplating selling/changing my dream car after less than 6 months of ownership? At the time of buying it, the 996TT with X50 upgrade it was the only car that was on the cards for me. It had to be Black, low miles, with x50 up grade and in good/to near perfect condition. I found a cracker IMO; I wasn’t bothered in the slightest if it had the “CACK” PCM1 system or even PCM2. I never made any of my viewings depend on it, or brought it into the equation when viewing. I bought mine on condition and value, which is how I believe, is the best way to buy them.
7) So how much is mine worth now, “Private & Trade”:-
996 TT – X 50 PERFORMANCE UP GRADE
2002/02
FULL C16 UK CAR
1 PREVIOUS OWNER TO ME
BLACK WITH BLACK
22,000 MILES
LAST SERVICED AT 18,000 MILES (getting serviced again on 1ST October)
4 BRAND NEW TYRES- Fitted last month
DESIGNTEK TITANIUM SPORTS EXHAUST
USUAL TURBO SPEC
LARGE ALI PACK, CENTRE CONSOLE & CENTRE SURROUND
CDR22- WITH CD CHANGER, NO TAPE
STAINLESS STEEL DUAL TIPS
NEW FLOOR MATS
CAR IS IN NEAR PERFECT CONDITION – GLYN WAXMASTER AND AUTO DEATILER IS BOOKED AND CONFIRMED TO VISIT 5th October.
IN THE SHORT TIME I HAVE OWNED THE CAR I HAVE KEPT IT IN NEAR PERFECT CONDITION. ON TOP OF THIS, THE CAR IS CURRENTLY GETTING THE NOSE CONE RE-SPRAYED AND ALLOYS REFURBED.
+ALL THE UP GRADES THAT I HAVE CURRENTLY IN THE PIPE LINE. MOST OF THE BITS ARE ORDERED AND PAID FOR, BUT NOT YET FITTED.
Well, that’s all folks
Thanks again lads
Stevie F
Thought about it long and hard again today and yesterday, spoke to a few mates I would call “clued up and also honest”. Still undecided? To quote “I will not be involving the other half in any of this, if I do change the car, it will be a case of, drive away the 996TT X50 one day and come back with a 996 GT2 later that day or the next”, I’ll take the flack later after I’ve enjoyed the new car for a while! – If she ever found out how much us guys spend on these motors, she’d bow her top. I think some things are best left, let’s just say “In the Garage”.
What I have thought about so far is:-
1) If I bought a 996 GT2, would I just do the same and start to scatter the cash on it and up grade bits and bobs?
2)Or do I wait for one to come up that’s had things like, Sports exhaust fitted, Sports headers up rated, brakes modded and also re-mapped. Which would save me spending my money doing it?
3) Its not a case of refinancing to get into a 996 GT2 as I have plenty of capital in the X50. I believe I also bought the car I’m in now at the right price and got a great finance deal and therefore won’t be set to loose a fortune like I have in previous car changes (The 997 C2S experience was a life changing event, opened my eyes to the seedy world of car dealer and traders –Only 1 in particular I may add).
4) I always get the urge to change my car a minimum of every year…Is this good or bad? But if I decide to keep the X50, I suppose after the money I have/and are about to spend on it I could keep it for a while and enjoy the best out of it.
5) Is it worthwhile to wait for current 996 GT2 owners that have ordered 997 GT2`s to trade in or put there’s up for sale and pick up a Belter? i.e.:- One in Guards Red or Carrera White if there is any out there. I did view a Guards Red 996 GT2 and also a 996TT at Hagley Car’s at the same time about a year ago, they both looked amazing. But at the time I was less financially “Ready” and didn’t have enough equity in my 997 C2S to trade or get a deal in motion. And on top of that the trade bid on my car was embarrassing to say the least, as it always is.
6) AM I MAD??????, to already be contemplating selling/changing my dream car after less than 6 months of ownership? At the time of buying it, the 996TT with X50 upgrade it was the only car that was on the cards for me. It had to be Black, low miles, with x50 up grade and in good/to near perfect condition. I found a cracker IMO; I wasn’t bothered in the slightest if it had the “CACK” PCM1 system or even PCM2. I never made any of my viewings depend on it, or brought it into the equation when viewing. I bought mine on condition and value, which is how I believe, is the best way to buy them.
7) So how much is mine worth now, “Private & Trade”:-
996 TT – X 50 PERFORMANCE UP GRADE
2002/02
FULL C16 UK CAR
1 PREVIOUS OWNER TO ME
BLACK WITH BLACK
22,000 MILES
LAST SERVICED AT 18,000 MILES (getting serviced again on 1ST October)
4 BRAND NEW TYRES- Fitted last month
DESIGNTEK TITANIUM SPORTS EXHAUST
USUAL TURBO SPEC
LARGE ALI PACK, CENTRE CONSOLE & CENTRE SURROUND
CDR22- WITH CD CHANGER, NO TAPE
STAINLESS STEEL DUAL TIPS
NEW FLOOR MATS
CAR IS IN NEAR PERFECT CONDITION – GLYN WAXMASTER AND AUTO DEATILER IS BOOKED AND CONFIRMED TO VISIT 5th October.
IN THE SHORT TIME I HAVE OWNED THE CAR I HAVE KEPT IT IN NEAR PERFECT CONDITION. ON TOP OF THIS, THE CAR IS CURRENTLY GETTING THE NOSE CONE RE-SPRAYED AND ALLOYS REFURBED.
+ALL THE UP GRADES THAT I HAVE CURRENTLY IN THE PIPE LINE. MOST OF THE BITS ARE ORDERED AND PAID FOR, BUT NOT YET FITTED.
Well, that’s all folks
Thanks again lads
Stevie F
Edited by 30121980 on Saturday 15th September 07:35
Seems to me it would be cheaper to change **you** rather than the car.
I think you're right - if you get a GT2 you will do the same again - not because it needs it, but because that's what you do. I have a friend on here who can't buy a car without fitting an aftermarket exhaust, but that's small fry compared to you, even when the spitting flames set fire to his fezza.
Also seems to me that the right place for all this fettling is a track only car where you will really appreciate the differences you make - whether it's going to Tesco, or a quick blat down your favourite B road you will only be getting a fraction of the performance you will have paid for.
Given from your earlier posts your first name is not Sheik and you don't own a multinational conglomorate, you are not doing this for our benefit, or to show off, but for yourself. It would be more cost effective to keep your car and go buy a fully adjustable Caterfield / Radical which would be much more fun, faster and cheaper to rag round a track and whoosh back home in your 911. IF your feeling flush - pay your butler to tow your track car home (c) Privilige Insurance
Maybe not the answer you were looking for but that's good isn't it?
I think you're right - if you get a GT2 you will do the same again - not because it needs it, but because that's what you do. I have a friend on here who can't buy a car without fitting an aftermarket exhaust, but that's small fry compared to you, even when the spitting flames set fire to his fezza.
Also seems to me that the right place for all this fettling is a track only car where you will really appreciate the differences you make - whether it's going to Tesco, or a quick blat down your favourite B road you will only be getting a fraction of the performance you will have paid for.
Given from your earlier posts your first name is not Sheik and you don't own a multinational conglomorate, you are not doing this for our benefit, or to show off, but for yourself. It would be more cost effective to keep your car and go buy a fully adjustable Caterfield / Radical which would be much more fun, faster and cheaper to rag round a track and whoosh back home in your 911. IF your feeling flush - pay your butler to tow your track car home (c) Privilige Insurance
Maybe not the answer you were looking for but that's good isn't it?
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