993 C4 Any good?
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I have found a car in the spec I want except it is a C4, I always aimed to get a C2 and have 964 C2 at present.
Has any one got any experience of the 993 C4, good or bad?
My old mans got a turbo4 which he says feels a little 'numb' compared to the 993 C2'S that he had.
I had a short test drive on Saturday, but due to time constraints and heavy traffic I could not get much of a feel for the car.
Any more experienced views appreciated.
Paul
Has any one got any experience of the 993 C4, good or bad?
My old mans got a turbo4 which he says feels a little 'numb' compared to the 993 C2'S that he had.
I had a short test drive on Saturday, but due to time constraints and heavy traffic I could not get much of a feel for the car.
Any more experienced views appreciated.
Paul
Hi I've had a C4 for three years now. I went out looking for a C2 but the C4 came up and matched all of my criteria. The only downsides are the reduced luggage space (not an issue for me as the car is a plaything). The steering is slightly less alive then with a C2 and I guess this is what you are describing as numbness. However, the traction on damp roads is nothing short of phenomenal.
If you are looking for a predominantly track based car then I would recommend that you look for a C2. It is just that little bit more nimble and "chuckable". In the C4 you will have a hard time deliberately getting the tail out on a tight bend. It will just go round like it is on rails.
On the road in real world conditions it is a different story. The traction available from the C4 as you power out of a bend or wet roundabout is superb. In damp weather when other cars are scrabbling for grip, the C4 will disappear over the horizon like it has been delivered from a slingshot. On the damp and greasy roads that we have for a large part of the year it allows you to really use the power.
In terms of servicing and maintainance, the C4 is slightly more expensive. It requires a front diff oil change every 48K and I am told that changing the clutch is a little more involved.
There are some differences in spec; ABD, colour of the callipers, lights etc.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
pp
If you are looking for a predominantly track based car then I would recommend that you look for a C2. It is just that little bit more nimble and "chuckable". In the C4 you will have a hard time deliberately getting the tail out on a tight bend. It will just go round like it is on rails.
On the road in real world conditions it is a different story. The traction available from the C4 as you power out of a bend or wet roundabout is superb. In damp weather when other cars are scrabbling for grip, the C4 will disappear over the horizon like it has been delivered from a slingshot. On the damp and greasy roads that we have for a large part of the year it allows you to really use the power.
In terms of servicing and maintainance, the C4 is slightly more expensive. It requires a front diff oil change every 48K and I am told that changing the clutch is a little more involved.
There are some differences in spec; ABD, colour of the callipers, lights etc.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
pp
PP's pretty much covered it, but i'd say 11 months of the year driving the car on public roads you'd be very hard pushed to tell the difference between C2 and C4.
The turbo needs all four wheels to hook up to put the power down, even in the dry if you're not in a straight line, but the n/a cars cope just fine without 4wd in the majority of situations on UK public roads.
The turbo needs all four wheels to hook up to put the power down, even in the dry if you're not in a straight line, but the n/a cars cope just fine without 4wd in the majority of situations on UK public roads.
Not sure about a 993 but i drive a 996 C4S and to be honest the steering feel is lifeless/numb, its not the most fun to be had for a sportscar & to be honest i was a bit disapointed after all the hype that goes with these cars BUT i was warned from fellow Pistonheaders that the C4 was maybe the wrong option for some BUT the plus points are living up here in Scotland with not the best of weather, it does have a reassurance that i though was impossible at certain speeds and you can power around the roads with no fear of the car loseing its grip around bends or just off a roundabout as was common in my Elise and the odd fast 3series BMW's i have driven. I guess allot depends on how you are planning to use the car - weekend toy or everyday work horse in all weathers as i do.
I think the 4WD 911's are the real all weather/everyday sportscars but with that, you are sacrificing a bit of steering feel.
I think the 4WD 911's are the real all weather/everyday sportscars but with that, you are sacrificing a bit of steering feel.
[quote=Wanta996(Gotta)]Not sure about a 993 but i drive a 996 C4S and to be honest the steering feel is lifeless/numb, its not the most fun to be had for a sportscar & to be honest i was a bit disapointed after all the hype that goes with these cars BUT i was warned from fellow Pistonheaders that the C4 was maybe the wrong option for some BUT the plus points are living up here in Scotland with not the best of weather, it does have a reassurance that i though was impossible at certain speeds and you can power around the roads with no fear of the car loseing its grip around bends or just off a roundabout as was common in my Elise and the odd fast 3series BMW's i have driven. I guess allot depends on how you are planning to use the car - weekend toy or everyday work horse in all weathers as i do.
I think the 4WD 911's are the real all weather/everyday sportscars but with that, you are sacrificing a bit of steering feel.
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Can't comment on a 996, but like a lot of modern cars you tend lose the feeling in the steering as they are more refined and clinicle, certainly the case with my Audi. As far as my 993 C4S is concerend this is pretty raw to tell you the truth and i get good feedback through the steering, so must have changed on later models.
I think the 4WD 911's are the real all weather/everyday sportscars but with that, you are sacrificing a bit of steering feel.
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Can't comment on a 996, but like a lot of modern cars you tend lose the feeling in the steering as they are more refined and clinicle, certainly the case with my Audi. As far as my 993 C4S is concerend this is pretty raw to tell you the truth and i get good feedback through the steering, so must have changed on later models.
wildoliver said:
One question what is the diff set up on the c4's?
Do they have any kind of LSD type system or do they lose all power when one wheel loses traction?
According to Streather the C4 has the same rear LSD as is an option in the C2. No LSD at the front I think.Do they have any kind of LSD type system or do they lose all power when one wheel loses traction?
Normally 100% of drive is to the rear. When there is some slip at the rear then a proportion of drive is transferred to the front via the viscous coupling. If one rear slips I think that would trigger drive being transferred to the other wheel rather than the front
but I'm not smart enough or don't have the time (or both) to figure that one out.I was looking for a C2 and ended up with a C4 and have no regrets. Go for the colour and spec that suits you and forget which wheels are doing the driving. Power is mainly sent to the rears on a C4 anyway, and only when the rears lose traction will you notice the front wheels pulling you through.
It looks like you made your decision anyway, and I suspect you know you made the right choice!
Enjoy!
It looks like you made your decision anyway, and I suspect you know you made the right choice!
Enjoy!
Edited by sidned on Monday 17th September 19:54
Had mine for over 5 years and enjoyed every one of the 33k miles I've done. Sadly now though the poor thing rarely leaves the garage and will very shortly be up for sale.
Tis a sad day for me but will certainly put a smile on someone else's face.
Tis a sad day for me but will certainly put a smile on someone else's face.
Edited by giw12 on Monday 17th September 20:25
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