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trackdemon

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292 months

Monday 17th September 2007
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Thought you guys might like a look at these, some old stuff I hadn't posted... shot this back in January! Bl00dy cold days work smile

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Scoobydougie

677 posts

235 months

Monday 17th September 2007
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Very nice shots, really like 7+9!

drivin_me_nuts

17,949 posts

242 months

Monday 17th September 2007
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5 makes me want to physically throw up..blurred image and bend create an awkward image for the brain to resolve. Like the wheel shot (you'll be really hacked off if you curb them!) and the last one is nicely composed

trackdemon

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Monday 17th September 2007
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drivin_me_nuts said:
5 makes me want to physically throw up..blurred image and bend create an awkward image for the brain to resolve. Like the wheel shot (you'll be really hacked off if you curb them!) and the last one is nicely composed
Er, thanks for your 'constructive' comment.... but I can assure you the front of #5 is sharp as a tack wink

adam11

114 posts

235 months

Monday 17th September 2007
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Really nice set and a beautiful car!

2, 5 and 6 are really good pics IMO, but I know ccensoredk all!

drivin_me_nuts

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242 months

Monday 17th September 2007
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trackdemon said:
drivin_me_nuts said:
5 makes me want to physically throw up..blurred image and bend create an awkward image for the brain to resolve. Like the wheel shot (you'll be really hacked off if you curb them!) and the last one is nicely composed
Er, thanks for your 'constructive' comment.... but I can assure you the front of #5 is sharp as a tack wink
...the point of the comment is that shots like this one make can make for physically uncomfortable viewing (in my case it actually makes me feels dizzy and makes me want to physically throwup). I'll try and explain what I mean.

It's because the car is indeed stationary and sharp my brain is trying to resolve the idea of blurred motion and there is no fixed frame of reference - i.e why is the car stationary - there should be some sense of movement from the car because the landscape is blury. The effect is further compounded because the landscape takes up such a large proportion of the picture that it becomes the dominant factor - the car is incidental to the blurred landscape and out of context with what my brain perceives as being the 'normal' relationship between car and landscape...

I am not critising your picture, what I was trying to explain is an interesting spatial effect of the context of motion with stationary objects that can create challenging photographs. Of all the shots here this is the one that I feel to be different and actually is challenging for me to look at and for that reason is the only one that I would actively file away in my conscious memory - because it caused the reaction that I tried to explain.

I hope that is more constructive....


trackdemon

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Monday 17th September 2007
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To clarify, the car isn't stationary it is moving from left to right across the frame - the shot was panned; I'm not sure how it could be conceived as anything else.

This style of shot is very common in most auto mags; for example here is an example from EVO magazine a few months back:



My shot is composed slightly differently - I shot from lower down for a more dramatic effect & to include a little sky, also I've included a bit more of the foreground & background because it adds to the sense of motion in the shot, as well as describing the bend the car was navigating at the time.

I can only assume all these types of shots trouble you if mine does wink

sstein

6,249 posts

285 months

Monday 17th September 2007
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How did you light the last one?

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Stuart

trackdemon

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Monday 17th September 2007
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sstein said:
How did you light the last one?

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Stuart
2xSpeedlight800 + 30s exposure to capture some of the colour in the sky

drivin_me_nuts

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242 months

Monday 17th September 2007
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trackdemon said:
To clarify, the car isn't stationary it is moving from left to right across the frame - the shot was panned; I'm not sure how it could be conceived as anything else.

This style of shot is very common in most auto mags; for example here is an example from EVO magazine a few months back:



My shot is composed slightly differently - I shot from lower down for a more dramatic effect & to include a little sky, also I've included a bit more of the foreground & background because it adds to the sense of motion in the shot, as well as describing the bend the car was navigating at the time.

I can only assume all these types of shots trouble you if mine does wink
...no - not at all. I have been playing with your pickie with a couple of L frames and if I take away the tree from the RHS then that feeling goes away. There is the sense of motion and the shot looks to me more composed... Interesting that it is actually the fuzzy tree on the RHS that is causing the feeling.. I have no idea why that is, I am sure someone else can explain the eye/brain concept thang in more detail.

trackdemon

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Monday 17th September 2007
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drivin_me_nuts said:
trackdemon said:
To clarify, the car isn't stationary it is moving from left to right across the frame - the shot was panned; I'm not sure how it could be conceived as anything else.

This style of shot is very common in most auto mags; for example here is an example from EVO magazine a few months back:



My shot is composed slightly differently - I shot from lower down for a more dramatic effect & to include a little sky, also I've included a bit more of the foreground & background because it adds to the sense of motion in the shot, as well as describing the bend the car was navigating at the time.

I can only assume all these types of shots trouble you if mine does wink
...no - not at all. I have been playing with your pickie with a couple of L frames and if I take away the tree from the RHS then that feeling goes away. There is the sense of motion and the shot looks to me more composed... Interesting that it is actually the fuzzy tree on the RHS that is causing the feeling.. I have no idea why that is, I am sure someone else can explain the eye/brain concept thang in more detail.
Bizarre! Still, the shot seems to have conveyed the sense of motion I wanted. Even if it does make you feel ill hehe

_dobbo_

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279 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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I've looked at these a few times recently but my monitor was out of whack and I was too lazy to re-calibrate it. Now that I have these look great. Have you used HDR or some layering to achieve an HDR result on some of these?

Wyvern971

1,507 posts

239 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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On your panning shots the car will be moving out of frame, ideally the empty space should be in front of the car not behind it, giving it somewhere to move in the frame rather whan driving out of it.

in general though a nice set

trackdemon

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Wednesday 19th September 2007
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_dobbo_ said:
I've looked at these a few times recently but my monitor was out of whack and I was too lazy to re-calibrate it. Now that I have these look great. Have you used HDR or some layering to achieve an HDR result on some of these?
No HDR - I hate it! wink The light at the end of the shoot was lovely #7 onwards....... only layering is blending a sky exposure & car exposure..... in effect same as using an ND grad but with perhaps a little more control.

trackdemon

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Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Wyvern971 said:
On your panning shots the car will be moving out of frame, ideally the empty space should be in front of the car not behind it, giving it somewhere to move in the frame rather whan driving out of it.

in general though a nice set
Not a rule as such, and if you flick through some old copies of EVO etc it won't take long to find a similar shot..... The shot in question conveys the subject moving quickly across the frame, whilst showing the corner the car has just traversed; this was my intention. If that divides opinion, so be it wink