Help sell my 911
Discussion
This one I presume
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/242080.htm
To be honest I doubt unless its very very cheap (8k ish) no one will really buy it whilst it needs a clutch, for the simple reason that its
A) loads of inconvienience
B) May just be the clutch or may be a little bit more work
I would say if you get the clutch done you stand a much better chance of selling it but £12,500 may still be a little optimistic for this time of year / current climate.
imho
Phib
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/242080.htm
To be honest I doubt unless its very very cheap (8k ish) no one will really buy it whilst it needs a clutch, for the simple reason that its
A) loads of inconvienience
B) May just be the clutch or may be a little bit more work
I would say if you get the clutch done you stand a much better chance of selling it but £12,500 may still be a little optimistic for this time of year / current climate.
imho
Phib
You need to think about a buyers mindset - if you havent bothered putting a new clutch in, what else needs doing?
You might say nothing, but its the impression buyers will get.
So, your better off spending the 1-2k on getting the clutch done now, than losing 3-4k off what your asking because people see it as a risky buy. Bear in mind it has done a fair few miles
I'd also fill the ad out a bit - include all the service history - pictures of the interior - infact i'd say take some new pictures, fill the shot with the car in a neutral location (housing estate/farm mix looks odd)
You might say nothing, but its the impression buyers will get.
So, your better off spending the 1-2k on getting the clutch done now, than losing 3-4k off what your asking because people see it as a risky buy. Bear in mind it has done a fair few miles
I'd also fill the ad out a bit - include all the service history - pictures of the interior - infact i'd say take some new pictures, fill the shot with the car in a neutral location (housing estate/farm mix looks odd)
Your price is at the top end of what is about right - for a car that DOESN'T need a clutch...
That is of course IMHO and is based on the fact that I looked at a few over the last year (I wanted a 'classic' 911 after selling my 996). As it stands I'm guessing you'll be lucky to get anywhere near £10K and with the price as it is you probably won't even get many calls on it (at least not serious ones).
You could try it on sale or return with an independent (I sold my 3.2 Cab and 996 that way) but they will want the car sorted before putting it in their showroom so you'll still end up doing the clutch!
Whichever way you look at it I reckon it's worth you getting the clutch done - it'll sell easier and, if it doesn't sell, you've still got a nice looking car you can drive.
The advert does need filling out a bit - lots more pics! Also, where else do you have it advertised?
Ebay is a pain in that it attracts (a lot of) muppets, but for minimal outlay it does get your car exposed to a very wide audience and you can put loads of pics on the ad. Consider scanning in the service history (chassis number etc blacked out!) and stuff like that as well. Also, Autotrader isn't bad but bear in mind that almost everyone sets the filter to show prices low-high and yours will be sitting alongside 964s at that price. FWIW I only ever use autotrader online, I've not found the magazine ad worth the money.
Good luck whatever you decide to do (keep it and enjoy it!!!!)
Edited for spelling and.... at that mileage it could be getting close to needing a top-end rebuild? If it has had one (fully or partially) mention that in the ad, if it hasn't.... buyers may be wary that the engine will need a few £thousand in 10k miles or so - might be worth getting it compression and power tested and, if the results are good, sticking them on the ad. My 1989 3.2 cab (same colour!) had 'lost' approx 20BHP and it was at 86,000 miles and no-one suggested that needed a top end, but they all need doing sooner or later!
That is of course IMHO and is based on the fact that I looked at a few over the last year (I wanted a 'classic' 911 after selling my 996). As it stands I'm guessing you'll be lucky to get anywhere near £10K and with the price as it is you probably won't even get many calls on it (at least not serious ones).
You could try it on sale or return with an independent (I sold my 3.2 Cab and 996 that way) but they will want the car sorted before putting it in their showroom so you'll still end up doing the clutch!
Whichever way you look at it I reckon it's worth you getting the clutch done - it'll sell easier and, if it doesn't sell, you've still got a nice looking car you can drive.
The advert does need filling out a bit - lots more pics! Also, where else do you have it advertised?
Ebay is a pain in that it attracts (a lot of) muppets, but for minimal outlay it does get your car exposed to a very wide audience and you can put loads of pics on the ad. Consider scanning in the service history (chassis number etc blacked out!) and stuff like that as well. Also, Autotrader isn't bad but bear in mind that almost everyone sets the filter to show prices low-high and yours will be sitting alongside 964s at that price. FWIW I only ever use autotrader online, I've not found the magazine ad worth the money.
Good luck whatever you decide to do (keep it and enjoy it!!!!)
Edited for spelling and.... at that mileage it could be getting close to needing a top-end rebuild? If it has had one (fully or partially) mention that in the ad, if it hasn't.... buyers may be wary that the engine will need a few £thousand in 10k miles or so - might be worth getting it compression and power tested and, if the results are good, sticking them on the ad. My 1989 3.2 cab (same colour!) had 'lost' approx 20BHP and it was at 86,000 miles and no-one suggested that needed a top end, but they all need doing sooner or later!
Edited by LeeME3 on Tuesday 18th September 09:03
I'm thinking about buying one of these (for myself) and would happily go for one needing a clutch. However, if it's not had a (properly documented) top end re-build I would want the results of a leak-down test (not compression test) to try and see how far off it is. The top-end is circa £2000 or £4000 if barrels and pistons are needed (you can't tell if it needs them until it's apart).
PM me if you want to discuss a deal. I deal in cars and may have something to suit you as a replacement.
PM me if you want to discuss a deal. I deal in cars and may have something to suit you as a replacement.
thegoose said:
......if it's not had a (properly documented) top end re-build I would want the results of a leak-down test (not compression test) to try and see how far off it is...
Thanks, I knew as I was typing it I didn't really mean compression test but couldn't remember the correct words! Cheers!The problem is that when you drop the engine for the clutch you see all sorts of other problems that also need fixing like corroded panels and oil pipes etc - so the job can grow.
Also having paid to have the engine dropped - it is then cheaper to go on and do other jobs (like a top end rebuild) - but ultimately it costs you more.
Personally I would reduce the price and allow the buyer to have the clutch done and if he prefers - all the other jobs that probably need doing as well - so he starts out knowing his new car is in fine fettle for his ownership.
Baz
Also having paid to have the engine dropped - it is then cheaper to go on and do other jobs (like a top end rebuild) - but ultimately it costs you more.
Personally I would reduce the price and allow the buyer to have the clutch done and if he prefers - all the other jobs that probably need doing as well - so he starts out knowing his new car is in fine fettle for his ownership.
Baz
hartech said:
The problem is that when you drop the engine for the clutch you see all sorts of other problems that also need fixing like corroded panels and oil pipes etc - so the job can grow.
Also having paid to have the engine dropped - it is then cheaper to go on and do other jobs (like a top end rebuild) - but ultimately it costs you more.
Personally I would reduce the price and allow the buyer to have the clutch done and if he prefers - all the other jobs that probably need doing as well - so he starts out knowing his new car is in fine fettle for his ownership.
Baz
Quite right, its most likely to need more than just a clutch, maybe a flywheel skim too, oil pipes, sundries and so it goes on....Also having paid to have the engine dropped - it is then cheaper to go on and do other jobs (like a top end rebuild) - but ultimately it costs you more.
Personally I would reduce the price and allow the buyer to have the clutch done and if he prefers - all the other jobs that probably need doing as well - so he starts out knowing his new car is in fine fettle for his ownership.
Baz
Its hard to guess the real value as we dont get to see the actual sale price only the asking price of the cars on the market, SC's and 3.2's seem to hang about for a while, to me it indicates that sellers want to high a price and lower the asking until it goes.
A 'completed listing' search on ebay often reveals that cars sell for a lot less than the asking price and that many go unsold.
The one rule of selling privately is if its not selling its too expensive, its as brutal as that.
I'm actually quite tempted as I'm capable of fixing it, someone mentioned 8k at the top of the thread and I think even that is too much considered the hassle and cost involved. I've got to go collect it, drag it home, drop the lump, order parts, go collect, replace clutch, refit it all back together, repair anything else needs doing, clean it an me up...it a big work up and its got to be worht my while.
I reckon fix the clutch and knock £250 off the asking every week until it sells.
I've got 5k for it as it stands.
- get the clutch done (painful as this will be, most will never buy a car that was left needing this sort of work)
- detail the history (£27k sounds like its been well looked after) - what are the big bills for?
- better pics
- drop it to £11.5 and I'd have thought it will sell for £10.5-£11k
you've only had it up for 5 days - be prepared for a wait unless you really need to shift it in which case you need to be below £10k
- detail the history (£27k sounds like its been well looked after) - what are the big bills for?
- better pics
- drop it to £11.5 and I'd have thought it will sell for £10.5-£11k
you've only had it up for 5 days - be prepared for a wait unless you really need to shift it in which case you need to be below £10k
uktrailmonster said:
Huntsman said:
I've got 5k for it as it stands.
Very generous offer! Doesn't look like a £5K car to me Lets call it ten.
Knock 2 for the clutch and other bits and bobs that might need doing.
That's 8 then.
So if I bought it for 8 and did the work i would not be ahead would I?
Has to be some bonus in it for whoever wants to take it on.
I'm not a dealer, I dont make any money from cars but I do buy/sell/tinker/fix/meddle with cars generally that need some help. This is a prime example and I'd pay 5.
Appreciate OP has spent a great deal and sure its a very nice car, but I was attempting tongue in check to demonstrate the principle that if its not selling it too expensive.
If he dropped the price today to 5 it would sell today, if kept at 12.5 it wont sell.
Hence my suggestion to fix clutch and drop price 250 squid each week till it goes.
Although my offer of 5 stands....:-)
Huntsman said:
Although my offer of 5 stands....:-)
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't get it for that price. £5K is the price you'd be paying for a car needing extensive restoration, not a new clutch!With the clutch replaced and no other major problems to sort, it should be worth the current asking price if it's as good as described. But you'd have to be patient and wait for a genuine enthusiast to come along. History and condition are everything with these cars and so the advert needs a lot more detail. Nobody would pay £12.5K for it based on the current information, especially with a slipping clutch.
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